I'd absolutely love Josh Boone if he could just make some free throws. He makes me RAGE since he's one of our few players that gets to the line, but it doesn't seem to matter much since he bricks so much from there. Also, he does tend to lose his man a lot, so I advocate that he play alongside SWAT who is an awesome help defender.
Wow is what I have to say to some of you! Your responses seem like you are preparing to take an analyst job at TNT. This is how I see it, you don't have to hate me for it, just agree or disagree, the negative comments directed towards me personally are not needed. Josh Boone is a decent big man who will get you 10 rebounds most games. And some of you fools may be happy with that, but if you actually watch the game he allows at least 10 easy points a game. He is also out of position ALL THE TIME. How about this, do me a favor before you defend your nets savior, next game, actually focus on Josh Boone for about 5 minutes. And I'm not talking about 2 minutes into the game when everyone is settling in, watch in the middle of the second or 3rd quarters, then come back and analyze his positioning and hustle. If you just look at numbers, there is no point arguing with me, as you are wrong. Jason Kidd almost had a triple double again last night, as he has almost every night here...those are amazing numbers too, but we lost the majority of the games with him this year even with "good numbers"...so please stop looking at numbers, its about winning. And to touch up on Frank, if any of you can defend him after the slow downfall of the NETS after he has taken over, you are nuts. Do you notice a trend of getting progressively worse each year, even though the talent levels remained relatively even for the past 6 years? We lost kittles harris martin van horn and Todd Todd MacCulloch And picked up Vince Carter, a much better RJ (than during championship years), Clif, Rodney Rogers, Mikki Moore, Aaron Williams, Eric Williams, Zoran , Marc Jackson (who was averaging 12 pts a game when we got him) among a few others. Now these names aren't mind boggling, but they all had talent at their respective positions, and with the right coaching job with our starters should have brought us to the promise land. That window of opportunity is over for now, and its disappointing. I wouldn't be surprised to see a coaching change this off season is what I'm trying to get at, if the Nets can trade Kidd, they can certainly fire Lawrence Frank.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow is what I have to say to some of you! Your responses seem like you are preparing to take an analyst job at TNT. This is how I see it, you don't have to hate me for it, just agree or disagree, the negative comments directed towards me personally are not needed. Josh Boone is a decent big man who will get you 10 rebounds most games. And some of you fools may be happy with that, but if you actually watch the game he allows at least 10 easy points a game. He is also out of position ALL THE TIME. How about this, do me a favor before you defend your nets savior, next game, actually focus on Josh Boone for about 5 minutes. And I'm not talking about 2 minutes into the game when everyone is settling in, watch in the middle of the second or 3rd quarters, then come back and analyze his positioning and hustle. If you just look at numbers, there is no point arguing with me, as you are wrong. Jason Kidd almost had a triple double again last night, as he has almost every night here...those are amazing numbers too, but we lost the majority of the games with him this year even with "good numbers"...so please stop looking at numbers, its about winning. And to touch up on Frank, if any of you can defend him after the slow downfall of the NETS after he has taken over, you are nuts. Do you notice a trend of getting progressively worse each year, even though the talent levels remained relatively even for the past 6 years? We lost kittles harris martin van horn and Todd Todd MacCulloch And picked up Vince Carter, a much better RJ (than during championship years), Clif, Rodney Rogers, Mikki Moore, Aaron Williams, Eric Williams, Zoran , Marc Jackson (who was averaging 12 pts a game when we got him) among a few others. Now these names aren't mind boggling, but they all had talent at their respective positions, and with the right coaching job with our starters should have brought us to the promise land. That window of opportunity is over for now, and its disappointing. I wouldn't be surprised to see a coaching change this off season is what I'm trying to get at, if the Nets can trade Kidd, they can certainly fire Lawrence Frank.</div> Maybe if your posts weren't so beligerent people wouldn't direct negative posts at you?
You are a Swift lover, and Swift is in back of Boone what else needs to be said about you? Agian he is the best big on this roster, and that means yes he is better than your boy Swift sorry but it's true. As far as Kidd allmost getting a triple double last night what #'s are you looking at?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Feb 21 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You are a Swift lover, and Swift is in back of Boone what else needs to be said about you? Agian he is the best big on this roster, and that means yes he is better than your boy Swift sorry but it's true. As far as Kidd allmost getting a triple double last night what #'s are you looking at?</div> Boone is only keeping that designation warm because Krstic hasn't fully rebounded from surgery yet. -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 21 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Feb 21 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You are a Swift lover, and Swift is in back of Boone what else needs to be said about you? Agian he is the best big on this roster, and that means yes he is better than your boy Swift sorry but it's true. As far as Kidd allmost getting a triple double last night what #'s are you looking at?</div> Boone is only keeping that designation warm because Krstic hasn't fully rebounded from surgery yet. -Petey </div> Argh Pety, right now Boone is the best on this roster. When Kristic is fully 100% that is diffrent then we got Kristic and Boone.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you notice a trend of getting progressively worse each year, even though the talent levels remained relatively even for the past 6 years? We lost kittles harris martin van horn and Todd Todd MacCulloch And picked up Vince Carter, a much better RJ (than during championship years), Clif, Rodney Rogers, Mikki Moore, Aaron Williams, Eric Williams, Zoran , Marc Jackson (who was averaging 12 pts a game when we got him) among a few others. Now these names aren't mind boggling, but they all had talent at their respective positions, and with the right coaching job with our starters should have brought us to the promise land.</div> Rodney Rogers, Marc Jackson, Eric Williams, Zoran?! Aaron Williams was picked up after the "championship years"? I've also got some news for you, Vince and RJ leave their men wide open at least four times as frequently as Boone does. I think the reason us "fools" criticized your posts is that you don't know what you are talking about (and probably have some sort of agenda), and a sharp forum like this one can sniff that out in two seconds.
To everyone who thinks I am a "SWIFT LOVER" - this is not true! I think Swift is better than Boone at this stage in their NBA careers. It's not that Swift is this old man who can't play, he is only 28! With that being said, there are a ton of players better than both Boone and Swift combined, we all know that. I'm hoping we making a deal for Nene or Miller because we obviously have to many big men right now, with Frank you know it's going to be a different player sitting out every night, he can't possibly rotate all these guys in game in and game out. Even with the addition of Nene, we will have to trade a few bigs away, so it works out nicely, and if that costs Swift so be it! (I don't "love him" haha so please stop with that) I just want the Nets to win like the rest of you, were on the same team here...And to look at Kidd's numbers from yesterday, Jason had 8 pts 3 Steals 6 Rebounds and 5 Assists while getting acquainted with a new system. Would you not take that from your starting point guard? I would. And it is definitely possible that Dallas misses the playoffs this year, weirder things have happened in sports...
Ok you can try and deny that you dont like Swift, but we know you do. Swift is not the better player. When was the last time Swift ever had 15 Boards in a game? You think we should add more bigs and you say we have too many ( Lonney tune) As far as Kidd goes, those #'s are no where near a triple double. Go back to your own land.
Rodney Rogers, Marc Jackson, Eric Williams, Zoran?! Aaron Williams was picked up after the "championship years"? I've also got some news for you, Vince and RJ leave their men wide open at least four times as frequently as Boone does. I think the reason us "fools" criticized your posts is that you don't know what you are talking about (and probably have some sort of agenda), and a sharp forum like this one can sniff that out in two seconds. [/quote] Ghoti, I have no agenda, I know Aaron Williams was also on the championship teams, but he was also on the roster the following year for some time before we traded for Carter. Its a moot point, those years are long gone, and I do know what I'm talking about in my opinion alone. If everyone knew what they were talking about, we could all be GM's. A forum is used to express an opinion, that can be controversial, and spur up debate, which is simply what I've done. I wanted to take an issue and throw it out to fellow nets fans. Do you think Kerr or Thorn or Cuban know exactly how every decision they make is going to play out? Life is about taking chances, and maybe getting Shaq will bring a NBA title, or maybe Kidd will bring the title to Dallas, or maybe Harris will turn into the next big thing? Who knows? Maybe I'm completely wrong on Boone and he will turn into a great player. It could happen, but from my gut, I don't think it will.
Some of you need to chill out, nobody should be targeting anyone. It's a debate, and people have different opinions. No need to call anyone "fools" or "looney tune". Anyway, IMO Boone is the perfect center for this team right now: he's a very good rebounder, he has a big body but is still athletic enough to play with VC, Harris and RJ in a fast break offense (when needed) and he can give us 8-12 points per game. His defense is ok, remember he's still young and great defense mostly comes with experience. Give him some time, and he can become a 12/11/1.5 guy in a few years. Which are just the numbers any team would want from a role player center. As for Swift, he needs to play no more than 10-15 mpg. He should be Sean's backup, or if Frank wants a very athletic lineup he can play with him and Sean together. But not only is Boone playing well right now, he also knows the system much better than Swift so there's no need for Swift to play anywhere close to the minutes Boone should play (30 mpg).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'>Rodney Rogers, Marc Jackson, Eric Williams, Zoran?! Aaron Williams was picked up after the "championship years"? I've also got some news for you, Vince and RJ leave their men wide open at least four times as frequently as Boone does. I think the reason us "fools" criticized your posts is that you don't know what you are talking about (and probably have some sort of agenda), and a sharp forum like this one can sniff that out in two seconds.</div> Ghoti, I have no agenda, I know Aaron Williams was also on the championship teams, but he was also on the roster the following year for some time before we traded for Carter. Its a moot point, those years are long gone, and I do know what I'm talking about in my opinion alone. If everyone knew what they were talking about, we could all be GM's. A forum is used to express an opinion, that can be controversial, and spur up debate, which is simply what I've done. I wanted to take an issue and throw it out to fellow nets fans. Do you think Kerr or Thorn or Cuban know exactly how every decision they make is going to play out? Life is about taking chances, and maybe getting Shaq will bring a NBA title, or maybe Kidd will bring the title to Dallas, or maybe Harris will turn into the next big thing? Who knows? Maybe I'm completely wrong on Boone and he will turn into a great player. It could happen, but from my gut, I don't think it will. </div> Explain how it benefits the Nets to take on Nene and his $42M after this season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Explain how it benefits the Nets to take on Nene and his $42M after this season.</div> Sorry, I don't understand the quote feature if it doesn't work again, Ghoti, it is quite simple. Nene is 25 years old, and if the Nets are building a team based on potential talent. Nene is your man. His salary of roughly 9 million this year is the average for a starting PF. If Nene were to truly get healthy, I believe he could become something special. If we trade Swift and Magloire and even another big guy or Boki plus a draft pick, I believe we can get this guy. Here is the site I found his salary on, and his contract for the next few years - Source - http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm Nenê 2007/08 $8,840,000 2008/09 $9,680,000 2009/2010 $10,520,000 2010/2011$11,360,000 2011/2012 $11,600,000 (player option) Thoughts?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry, I don't understand the quote feature if it doesn't work again, Ghoti, it is quite simple. Nene is 25 years old, and if the Nets are building a team based on potential talent. Nene is your man. His salary of roughly 9 million this year is the average for a starting PF. If Nene were to truly get healthy, I believe he could become something special. If we trade Swift and Magloire and even another big guy or Boki plus a draft pick, I believe we can get this guy. Here is the site I found his salary on, and his contract for the next few years - Source - http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm Nenê 2007/08 $8,840,000 2008/09 $9,680,000 2009/2010 $10,520,000 2010/2011$11,360,000 2011/2012 $11,600,000 (player option) Thoughts?</div> The guy has never proven himself worthy of that salary. He's not some stud PF. In this league contracts like that are about consistancy and he is not. If you take it on you run the potential of ruining any rebuilding. There is a reason he can be picked up that cheap. Plus he hasn't been healthy for nearly a full season since 2003-04.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 21 2008, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry, I don't understand the quote feature if it doesn't work again, Ghoti, it is quite simple. Nene is 25 years old, and if the Nets are building a team based on potential talent. Nene is your man. His salary of roughly 9 million this year is the average for a starting PF. If Nene were to truly get healthy, I believe he could become something special. If we trade Swift and Magloire and even another big guy or Boki plus a draft pick, I believe we can get this guy. Here is the site I found his salary on, and his contract for the next few years - Source - http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm Nenê 2007/08 $8,840,000 2008/09 $9,680,000 2009/2010 $10,520,000 2010/2011$11,360,000 2011/2012 $11,600,000 (player option) Thoughts?</div> The guy has never proven himself worthy of that salary. He's not some stud PF. In this league contracts like that are about consistancy and he is not. If you take it on you run the potential of ruining any rebuilding. There is a reason he can be picked up that cheap. Plus he hasn't been healthy for nearly a full season since 2003-04. </div> Well, he's at least as good as Rodney Rogers and the great Marc Jackson. That's worth $42M as long as Frank doesn't screw him up.
Thoughts?[/quote] The guy has never proven himself worthy of that salary. He's not some stud PF. In this league contracts like that are about consistancy and he is not. If you take it on you run the potential of ruining any rebuilding. There is a reason he can be picked up that cheap. [/quote] Netted - I just explained in a previous post life is about taking chances, If we stand pat, what are we? a .500 team, skewed to a possibly above .500 record if they play well throughout the second half. I want to win the championship every year, and I'm not saying Nene will bring us that, but everyone knows this team as its currently built will not bring us a title. Our salaries as of now totaled are $61,114,878. That is one of the lowest in the league. Source - http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm (They didn't update the salary for NJ on team payrolls, but click on New Jersey and you can see the updated total below the players). I think many of you guys from reading other posts are anticipating an off season where we are going to score a good pick, and sign a good free agent. I want you guys to understand that we aren't the most enticing place to be associated with at the moment. We are a team in a state of confusion, on many levels. From a management perspective, where is this team going to be playing in 3 years? Brooklyn? Newark? somewhere else? From a personal perspective Players wanted to sign for Jason Kidd. Do you think they are going to sign wanting to play with Richard Jefferson, Vince Carter and be coached by Lawrence Frank? That remains to be seen, but again, my gut says no.
--How many second-year or rookie big men start for their team, or play 25 minutes off the bench? --How many are putting up numbers significantly better than Boone? --How many are consistently (important word) better defensively? --How many of those were selected in the top five or eight in the draft? Especially for where he was drafted, Boone compares pretty well. Obviously his game has weaknesses. Some of that may be due to the fact that, unlike nearly all other first-round draft picks, he was not a focal point on offense in college. He's never been "the man." He has a lot to learn, but he seems pretty smart, and he is still pretty young. I'm not one to blindly heap praise on all the Nets players. However, look at the improvement Josh has made since the beginning of last year. How he's a valuable rotation player, and many fans thought he would never even be that. I look forward to seeing him in another year and a half.
***personnel*** not personal sorry....and the sarcasm was much appreciated with the great Marc Jackson..thanks
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thoughts? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The guy has never proven himself worthy of that salary. He's not some stud PF. In this league contracts like that are about consistancy and he is not. If you take it on you run the potential of ruining any rebuilding. There is a reason he can be picked up that cheap.</div> Netted - I just explained in a previous post life is about taking chances, If we stand pat, what are we? a .500 team, skewed to a possibly above .500 record if they play well throughout the second half. I want to win the championship every year, and I'm not saying Nene will bring us that, but everyone knows this team as its currently built will not bring us a title. Our salaries as of now totaled are $61,114,878. That is one of the lowest in the league. Source - http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm (They didn't update the salary for NJ on team payrolls, but click on New Jersey and you can see the updated total below the players). I think many of you guys from reading other posts are anticipating an off season where we are going to score a good pick, and sign a good free agent. I want you guys to understand that we aren't the most enticing place to be associated with at the moment. We are a team in a state of confusion, on many levels. From a management perspective, where is this team going to be playing in 3 years? Brooklyn? Newark? somewhere else? From a personal perspective Players wanted to sign for Jason Kidd. Do you think they are going to sign wanting to play with Richard Jefferson, Vince Carter and be coached by Lawrence Frank? That remains to be seen, but again, my gut says no. </div> There are educated quality risks and then there are stupd risks. The Knicks usually do the later. My opinion is that taking on Nene is the later. Sounds like a move just to make a move. The type of move people make on playstation because it's easy to hit reset.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 21 2008, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>--How many second-year or rookie big men start for their team, or play 25 minutes off the bench? --How many are putting up numbers significantly better than Boone? --How many are consistently (important word) better defensively? --How many of those were selected in the top five or eight in the draft? Especially for where he was drafted, Boone compares pretty well. Obviously his game has weaknesses. Some of that may be due to the fact that, unlike nearly all other first-round draft picks, he was not a focal point on offense in college. He's never been "the man." He has a lot to learn, but he seems pretty smart, and he is still pretty young. I'm not one to blindly heap praise on all the Nets players. However, look at the improvement Josh has made since the beginning of last year. How he's a valuable rotation player, and many fans thought he would never even be that. I look forward to seeing him in another year and a half.</div> Excuse me, but any NBA athlete who is tall can get 15 rebounds if he plays the whole game.
