ghoti - good points. I'll take them with a grain of salt as I don't completely agree with all of your counter arguments... jloc857 - your posts are ineffective if you are trying to deter me from expressing my opinions, they are just negative comments towards me, when you could at the least attempt to prove your own arguments on the subject at hand. I'm off to class. I hope by the time I get back we have upgraded our roster, and that a few more nets fans have responded to my thoughts...thanks to everyone who took part in this discussion...no hard feelings directed towards anyone...Avior
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Feb 21 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 21 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boone still has some improvement to do. For instance, too often he loses his man on defense and allows an easy dunk. However, he is just a kid who missed half of his rookie season (and played little when healthy). For someone with his limited experience, his future looks bright, so long as he continues to work on his weaknesses. It's too early to judge him, other than to recognize his obvious contributions and growth.</div> if you're talking about the bulls game boone lost people underneath because he had to cover for marcus williams who got beat off the dribble everytime so he always had to "show" to discourage the penetrator... </div> it's possible; I usually fall asleep before the end of the first quarter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 21 2008, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 21 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boone still has some improvement to do. For instance, too often he loses his man on defense and allows an easy dunk. However, he is just a kid who missed half of his rookie season (and played little when healthy). For someone with his limited experience, his future looks bright, so long as he continues to work on his weaknesses. It's too early to judge him, other than to recognize his obvious contributions and growth.</div> I wonder why he goes for layups at times instead of just putting it down. And hopefully w/ time he gets more comfortable w/ the ball. -Petey </div> he doesn't know how pivot so he just jumps ups wherever he is under the basket to try and put it in or at most makes one hop or step using one dribble ...he can't put himself in a good position first before trying to take a shot...that's why you see him take weird shots underneath which he misses or get blocked. he is also afraid of getting fouled and going to the line so he tries to put it in as quickly as possible. #1 work with bill cartwright on pivoting #2 work with kiki/thate on free throws
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'> There are educated quality risks and then there are stupd risks. The Knicks usually do the later. My opinion is that taking on Nene is the later. Sounds like a move just to make a move. The type of move people make on playstation because it's easy to hit reset.</div> Netted - When we got Jason Kidd, it was a risk, granted we knew he was a great player, but who knew he was going to make the nets relevant again? I didn't. Maybe Nene will work, maybe it won't. I doubt we get him anyways. It's an idea that has a bit of substance with some rumors, so I thought I would throw it out there. I want to hear others opinions on how to improve the team. Pegs - just noticed your syracuse post. Do you go to SU? Now that's a team that frustrates me even more...and playing with a 6 or 7 man rotation is ridiculous. </div> Nope, I'm in college right now, and going to an IT school in Central NY next year. I've been a Syracuse Orange fan since forever. And yes, that 7 man rotation is ridiculous. I'm surprised we stole the GTown game, that was awesome...but the Louisville game, they were dead. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 21 2008, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So you are a new poster. You start a thread after a Nets win complaining that the coach - who cobbled together that win using players who have been with the team one day and with neither Kidd nor the star player he was traded for - is an idiot for not playing a player who was unavailable to play. You also criticize a player who most fans think has been playing well and had 15 rebounds in the victory. You then go on to inform us that all tall players can get 15 rebounds if they play the whole game, that Rodney Rogers, Marc Jackson and Zoran had as much talent as the role players on the Nets' "championship teams", and that it would be great if the Nets committed $42M to Nene. Hey, I'm not saying it's bad to post some contrary opinions and shake things up a little (Lord knows I've killed many an afternoon this way!), but be sure of what you post and be ready for the inevitable barrage when it comes.</div> And cuseman, you should remember this stuff. Ghoti's tryin to help you out here. This is message board posting 101. Keep posting tho, I'd like to see ya stick around!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Feb 21 2008, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 21 2008, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 21 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boone still has some improvement to do. For instance, too often he loses his man on defense and allows an easy dunk. However, he is just a kid who missed half of his rookie season (and played little when healthy). For someone with his limited experience, his future looks bright, so long as he continues to work on his weaknesses. It's too early to judge him, other than to recognize his obvious contributions and growth.</div> I wonder why he goes for layups at times instead of just putting it down. And hopefully w/ time he gets more comfortable w/ the ball. -Petey </div> he doesn't know how pivot so he just jumps ups wherever he is under the basket to try and put it in or at most makes one hop or step using one dribble ...he can't put himself in a good position first before trying to take a shot...that's why you see him take weird shots underneath which he misses or get blocked. he is also afraid of getting fouled and going to the line so he tries to put it in as quickly as possible. #1 work with bill cartwright on pivoting #2 work with kiki/thate on free throws </div> He should work with Swift on pivoting. Seriously, have you seen that dude move underneath the basket when he gets the ball? You see him under there, you're like, no way is he gonna dunk it. Then, he pulls an amazing pivot, and slams it down! That's one of my favorite parts of his game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>]jloc857 - your posts are ineffective if you are trying to deter me from expressing my opinions, they are just negative comments towards me, when you could at the least attempt to prove your own arguments on the subject at hand.</div> What the Hell? I've barely even referenced you whatsoever in this thread... Besides what's the point of writing 5-6 paragraphs of information to support my argument when you are the only person here to disagree with me? If you had shown any semblance of basketball knowledge in any of your posts I would considered it but you haven't. Screw it I'll do it anyway... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 20 2008, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Why does Lawrence continually play horrible combinations of players? Where is Swift? He can hit a jumper, rebounds, and can Play Defense!</div> If you are going to criticize the coach for his rotation you should at least be aware of who is available. Swift was out with a virus, it was posted on the web and stated during the pregame. As for Swift...he can hit a jumper and can block shots but he that fantastic man...his man defense is sub par and he is an absolutely horrible rebounder...I'm sorry but he averages 4.7 rebounds a game for his career so yeah maybe he can rebound...he just chooses not to. He also has a tendency to disappear during stretches even when he's getting minutes...the epitome of a streaky player. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 20 2008, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>2. Swift and Williams together to me is a great combination of athleticism and defensive ability.</div> That's true and I would explore using them in combination off the bench...bench production is imperative in this league and high energy players like Swift and Swat can have a great impact in a role like that. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 20 2008, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>3. Josh Boone...where to begin! I can't believe this guy starts..he is a bench player at best...reminds me of the Jason Collins saga all over again..(a role player that starts because our coach is dumb) he is slow and has bad hands...and is absolutely clueless on defense....oh and when he does get fouled he air balls foul shots! The only reason he has decent numbers is because are team isn't that good!</div> Jason Collins and Josh Boone cannot be compared and it hurts your argument to even try to do so. As a starter Josh Boone is averaging 10 pts and 8.7 rebounds a game...those are excellent numbers for a second year player. Are those the numbers of a perennial all star? No. However no team can have all stars at every position. Fact remains he is our most consistent big man and statisically our best big man on the roster. Does he have the most potential? No. Is he utilizing his better than other players? Yes. If you compare him to Swat or Swift than yeah Boone is slow but in reality he is actually quicker than most frontcourt players are in this league. "The only reason he has decent numbers is because our team isn't that good!" Dumb statement...by your rationale every big man on our roster is horrible because none of them are putting the stats up that Boone currently is...so what is it? Does Boone suck and everybody else really sucks or is he better than you make him out to be? I'll answer it for you...its the later. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 20 2008, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>4. Back to the coach, our strategy is horrendous...we run the same exact play on offense every single time...how predictable</div> First off I hate Lawrence Frank with a passion...he is way overrated by Thorn in my opinion and yes his offense sucks. HOWEVER. Last night he did an excellent job managing the game...he had a lot of new players, a few players out and the team performed well. I'm not gonna say I want him to stay...I'm just not gonna criticize him after a good performance. I like to at least try to be fair as a fan. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 20 2008, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wasn't even talking about this game necessarily...but that's ok, lets talk about it...Boone has 15 rebounds...wow! Because he plays the whole game..is he doing anything that any other tall person with some muscle couldn't do? Seriously? Do you watch him play defense? People go right around him...he got beat on a back door screen that could have lost us the game in regulation tonight...he starts running down on offense when the shot is fired like VC...I mean VC fine..but Josh Boone? What is he going to do get the ball on the break and drive? We need to trade him and Boki and Mags for Miller and get some real shooting ability...we have enough bigs here!</div> Any tall player can get 15 rebounds in this league... That's an ignorant statement and one of the reason's nobody is taking you seriously. for the record your boy Stromile Swift averages 4.7 rebounds a game his entire career. This season Boone is averaging 10 points and 8.7 rebounds a game as starter for 30 games...he hustles, sets screens and always follows shots to rims looking for rebounds...he plays very solid man on defense and has excellent hands around the rim. He does have flaws...he needs to develop his jumper, work on FT%, and work on his help defense and rotations...but those things can be improved with work. As a second year player he is exceeding expectations. Overall he's consistent, he hustles, and he works hard...It's hard not to appreciate him as a player. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 20 2008, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm just simply pointing out most athletes in the NBA with Boone's height could set screens and rebound...its the rebounds in critical times..defensive position..etc that I hate...but hey you could also blame that on coaching..</div> His 13.8 Per 48 mins would make him top 20 in rebounding in the league per 48 mins...His 8.7 rebounds as a starter would make him 27th in the league in rebounding...currently he 42nd in the league with 7 per game. Rebounds are one of the most unappreciated stats in the NBA...if it was easy everybody could do it but that's not the case...to be an effective rebounder you need to attack the rim, you need to effectively box out your opponent, you need go hands and you need to be able to judge where a ball will hit the rim and where its going to go...not everybody is able to do these things...Boone is. Watch the games...watch when RJ or Vince take jumpshots...the replays are best...you'll see Josh's face in the net watching the ball looking to grab the rebound...that's the trait of an awesome rebounder.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow is what I have to say to some of you! Your responses seem like you are preparing to take an analyst job at TNT. This is how I see it, you don't have to hate me for it, just agree or disagree, the negative comments directed towards me personally are not needed. Josh Boone is a decent big man who will get you 10 rebounds most games. And some of you fools may be happy with that, but if you actually watch the game he allows at least 10 easy points a game. He is also out of position ALL THE TIME. How about this, do me a favor before you defend your nets savior, next game, actually focus on Josh Boone for about 5 minutes. And I'm not talking about 2 minutes into the game when everyone is settling in, watch in the middle of the second or 3rd quarters, then come back and analyze his positioning and hustle. If you just look at numbers, there is no point arguing with me, as you are wrong. Jason Kidd almost had a triple double again last night, as he has almost every night here...those are amazing numbers too, but we lost the majority of the games with him this year even with "good numbers"...so please stop looking at numbers, its about winning. And to touch up on Frank, if any of you can defend him after the slow downfall of the NETS after he has taken over, you are nuts. Do you notice a trend of getting progressively worse each year, even though the talent levels remained relatively even for the past 6 years? We lost kittles harris martin van horn and Todd Todd MacCulloch And picked up Vince Carter, a much better RJ (than during championship years), Clif, Rodney Rogers, Mikki Moore, Aaron Williams, Eric Williams, Zoran , Marc Jackson (who was averaging 12 pts a game when we got him) among a few others. Now these names aren't mind boggling, but they all had talent at their respective positions, and with the right coaching job with our starters should have brought us to the promise land. That window of opportunity is over for now, and its disappointing. I wouldn't be surprised to see a coaching change this off season is what I'm trying to get at, if the Nets can trade Kidd, they can certainly fire Lawrence Frank.</div> This is actually your best post... not because it's accurate, its just so long that I almost don't feel like responding... Yet you pissed me off so here we go. 1) Personal attacks...when you are brand new to a message board, make arrogant statements, dumb generalizations and make offensive statements then you are likely to be on the receiving end of personal attacks...you make yourself a target...that's life my friend and learning this leason on a message board is much better than learning it in the real world. 2) 10 easy points a game? C'mon man...he contests everything he can...sometimes he'll miss a cutter but those instances can also be blamed on our guards missing on a rotation, Nenad being out of position and Frank having some bad schemes...His man to man defense is solid and currently he may be the best defensive big on the roster...I'm not gonna defend his hustle...his play does it for me...he is active as hell on the court. 3) As for Jason Kidd and triple doubles...god I don't feel like defending Kidd... Rumors were running rampant he was dogging it this year gathering empty stats to retain trade value while still disrupting the team...In the past they mattered...they might still in the future. Stats matter...bottomline...sometimes stats can be overrated but they do matter. If they didn't we wouldn't be keeping them...rebounding numbers are important. 4) The talent level got worse while the rest of the Eastern Conference teams got better...that's the reality...During our run with Kidd the first three seasons Kidd played at a MUCH higher level than he currently does...watch the film...he used to drive to the hoop for layups all night and make a killing at the free throw line...he isn't capable of that anymore. Our depth was better and honestly the cohesion of the team was so much better...After K-mart left the team got dramatically worse...We haven't had a frontcourt that replaced him since and have only now post Kidd do we have one. Your argument is wrong...however I would like to see Frank fired for other reason's...his offensive scheme is poor, he uses bad combinations in the rotation and is horrible with young players... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To everyone who thinks I am a "SWIFT LOVER" - this is not true! I think Swift is better than Boone at this stage in their NBA careers. It's not that Swift is this old man who can't play, he is only 28! With that being said, there are a ton of players better than both Boone and Swift combined, we all know that. I'm hoping we making a deal for Nene or Miller because we obviously have to many big men right now, with Frank you know it's going to be a different player sitting out every night, he can't possibly rotate all these guys in game in and game out. Even with the addition of Nene, we will have to trade a few bigs away, so it works out nicely, and if that costs Swift so be it! (I don't "love him" haha so please stop with that) I just want the Nets to win like the rest of you, were on the same team here...And to look at Kidd's numbers from yesterday, Jason had 8 pts 3 Steals 6 Rebounds and 5 Assists while getting acquainted with a new system. Would you not take that from your starting point guard? I would. And it is definitely possible that Dallas misses the playoffs this year, weirder things have happened in sports...</div> Stromile Swift has been a disappointment his entire career...he had the potential to be an allstar but has instead been reduced to being a role player...In his career he is averaging only 8.7 pts and 4.7 rebounds with his best season coming in his 2nd year when he averged 11.8 and 6.7 rebounds. It's safe to say Swift has never been better than Boone is now at any stage of the year...So what if Swift is only 28 if he hasn't reached his potential by now then it's reasonably safe to assume he never will. We're not adding Nene so I won't get into what an expensive blunder that would be...for the record he is overpaid earning something like 42 million over the next 4 years with a career average of 10.8 points and 6.4 rebounds...he's also injury prone averaging 48 games a year over 6 seasons Josh Boone average 10 and 8.7 as a starter for us and is on a rookie contract...why would we ever do that? "Jason had 8 pts 3 Steals 6 Rebounds and 5 Assists " No I would not want that from my starting PG...especially not one making 20 million dollars. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ghoti, it is quite simple. Nene is 25 years old, and if the Nets are building a team based on potential talent. Nene is your man. His salary of roughly 9 million this year is the average for a starting PF. If Nene were to truly get healthy, I believe he could become something special. If we trade Swift and Magloire and even another big guy or Boki plus a draft pick, I believe we can get this guy. Here is the site I found his salary on, and his contract for the next few years - Source - http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm Nenê 2007/08 $8,840,000 2008/09 $9,680,000 2009/2010 $10,520,000 2010/2011$11,360,000 2011/2012 $11,600,000 (player option) Thoughts?</div> I'll just repost: We're not adding Nene so I won't get into what an expensive blunder that would be...for the record he is overpaid earning something like 42 million over the next 4 years with a career average of 10.8 points and 6.4 rebounds...he's also injury prone averaging 48 games a year over 6 seasons Josh Boone average 10 and 8.7 as a starter for us and is on a rookie contract...why would we ever do that? Didn't know about the PO for a 5th year...wow that contract is even worse than I thought. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Netted - I just explained in a previous post life is about taking chances, If we stand pat, what are we? a .500 team, skewed to a possibly above .500 record if they play well throughout the second half. I want to win the championship every year, and I'm not saying Nene will bring us that, but everyone knows this team as its currently built will not bring us a title. Our salaries as of now totaled are $61,114,878. That is one of the lowest in the league. Source - http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm (They didn't update the salary for NJ on team payrolls, but click on New Jersey and you can see the updated total below the players). I think many of you guys from reading other posts are anticipating an off season where we are going to score a good pick, and sign a good free agent. I want you guys to understand that we aren't the most enticing place to be associated with at the moment. We are a team in a state of confusion, on many levels. From a management perspective, where is this team going to be playing in 3 years? Brooklyn? Newark? somewhere else? From a personal perspective Players wanted to sign for Jason Kidd. Do you think they are going to sign wanting to play with Richard Jefferson, Vince Carter and be coached by Lawrence Frank? That remains to be seen, but again, my gut says no.</div> You don't mess with a roster full of young players and expiring players and draft picks just because you know you can't win a championship...any move we could have made would have set us back...We are in an excellent position coming into this offseason with a roster full of depth, young players, draft picks, RJ and Vince's improved stock. As for Brooklyn...gut feeling is we end up not going there...if we don't then we end up in Newark in a brand new arena that is much easier to access via train. As for enticing players to come...they come where the money comes from. We have assets in having Jay-Z who is an icon to a lot of the current NBA players...we'll see were will go. Nene doesnt solve any problem. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Netted - When we got Jason Kidd, it was a risk, granted we knew he was a great player, but who knew he was going to make the nets relevant again? I didn't. Maybe Nene will work, maybe it won't. I doubt we get him anyways. It's an idea that has a bit of substance with some rumors, so I thought I would throw it out there. I want to hear others opinions on how to improve the team.</div> The risk wasn't an injury risk or a performance risk...the risk was a character risk or the wife beating incident...we basically stole him from Phoenix for Stephan Marbury. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ghoti, you can argue with me all you want, I have free time until 1:30 so thats fine. Obviously Boone has some skill, I'm kinda tired of discussing that issue. Petey is also right with Kristic taking away his rebounds once he is fully recovered from his injury. Marginal players do well on average teams. Boone is that kinda guy...And again, I can be completely wrong and he may turn into a stud, but who knows</div> ugh...this is tiring... We agree to disagree. I will say marginal is harsh words for a guy who starts, and averages 10pts and 8.7 rebounds a game at age 23...actually I take it back it's not harsh it's just plain ignorant. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, but your quoting of me was in mock of my comments. The comments made last night were created in a mind of frustration and a few posters attacking my thoughts...I know all tall people can't rebound...and I would like to lay this topic to rest, Boone has some skill, he has good rebounding positioning, he had 15 rebounds, I am very happy for him and the team that they won. But like analysts have said with J-Kidd and his decline in numbers when he goes to Dallas (less rebounds), rebounds will always be had with decent defense, and anyone with the correct footwork should be able to box our correctly, but how many times even with the 15 rebounds did the Bulls get second and third tries on the offensive end with missed rebounds from the Nets? Way to many if you ask me, and that kept them in the game. If we are struggling and going to overtime with the Bulls, we must accept that right now we are a subpar team. As a fan I want to see the best product on the floor every year. I don't want to wait 2 years for a team to gel. That's not fun. And most times, the "rebuilding" experiments never work. Re tooling is the way to win, only in rare cases does a complete rebuilding ever pan out into something special. I'm posting suggestions on how to upgrade this team, and I'm not reading any others...I want to hear others opinions on how to make the NETS better!</div> Welcome to S2 forums Isiah Thomas...if you have any questions you can PM me. I'm sorry but this reads right out of the Knicks play book... Ok two teams that were dominant in the 90s...one chose to rebuild while the other chose to retool... One of these teams is the Knicks, the other is the Trailblazers... Which team would you rather have? If it's the Trailblazers than you might want to adjust your thinking... HAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes! Finally I'm done! I'm gonna go watch Discovery Channel or something...I feel dumber by just reading some of those posts.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 21 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boone still has some improvement to do. For instance, too often he loses his man on defense and allows an easy dunk. However, he is just a kid who missed half of his rookie season (and played little when healthy). For someone with his limited experience, his future looks bright, so long as he continues to work on his weaknesses. It's too early to judge him, other than to recognize his obvious contributions and growth.</div> one thing i'd like boone to improve is his upper body strength, which he should do if he can have a healthy summer, boone is tremendous at reading plays and rolling after picks but he's still pretty weak and needs to finish better at times, if he can do that, he'll be a permanent starter
Pegs - I'm a SU senior, used to sit front row freshman year when we were good. (Hakim, G Mac) but it's a shame how far we've fallen in sports (Football and Basketball). My freshman year they lost to Vermont first round. The football team even made a bowl game freshman year (Champ Sports Bowl), its a shame. On a brighter note, next year if everyone stays and devo and rautins come back healthy, we can be a top 10 team. jloc857 - thanks for all the insightful answers to my "non logical" thoughts. I'm so sorry my posts have killed some of your brain cells as you are currently experiencing with your claims. What is clear in my opinion is management today made a poor decision not to make a move with all the contracts currently on the roster. If we are unable to add a worthy free agent this off season, or make a trade for another IMPACT player, and end up with a middle of a first round pick that turns into another project (because face it folks, we will most likely make the playoffs in the weak east) we will all witness another year of true mediocrity. As for Boone - ask yourself this, do you really see him as an NBA starter or 6th man? I'm talking 2 to 3 years from now. I don't think he has the skill set to become something you guys are all anticipating. If he isn't a starter, then let Williams start, because Williams will be a starter in this league and I'm sure that's one thing we can all agree upon. This Should be the way this .500 roster plays out: Kristic Diop S. Williams Boone Swift Jefferson Nachbar Carter Hassel Harris M. Williams Hopefully we get better come the off season. I'll still be rooting for them hoping they prove me wrong!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Feb 21 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 21 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Last night, Ben Gordon came around a screen on the baseline with RJ trailing him and Boone left his man to cut off the play. Then Boone's man rolled to the hoop and got an uncontested dunk. Nets fans everywhere cursed Josh Boone for being stupid and leaving his man wide open. Mark Jackson then correctly broke it down. It was VINCE CARTER'S responsibility to rotate to Boone's man. He was picking his nose facing the wrong direction on the other side of the paint. Is that a big deal? Not really, but Boone sure is getting a lot of undeserved crap in this thread from people who's opinions on this kind of thing I suspect aren't worth a bucket of spit.</div> That's not possible! How can you blame Vince Carter? He is awesome! He's the only reason the Nets made it to the playoffs since 2005!!! Hater! VC basher! </div> Awww are you bitter because Vince led the Nets to a victory last night while Kidd's Mavericks lost? It's okay, don't lose hope yet. They'll most likely make the playoffs and get booted out in the 1st or 2nd round. Hopefully Kidd won't ask to be traded to a "contender" in the offseason then.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 21 2008, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>--How many second-year or rookie big men start for their team, or play 25 minutes off the bench? --How many are putting up numbers significantly better than Boone? --How many are consistently (important word) better defensively? --How many of those were selected in the top five or eight in the draft? Especially for where he was drafted, Boone compares pretty well. Obviously his game has weaknesses. Some of that may be due to the fact that, unlike nearly all other first-round draft picks, he was not a focal point on offense in college. He's never been "the man." He has a lot to learn, but he seems pretty smart, and he is still pretty young. I'm not one to blindly heap praise on all the Nets players. However, look at the improvement Josh has made since the beginning of last year. How he's a valuable rotation player, and many fans thought he would never even be that. I look forward to seeing him in another year and a half.</div> I was going to post something pretty much pissing and moaning about Josh Boone's name ever being mentioned on this board, but I've decided to just let it go. But I will agree w/ Dumpy and say that compared to last year his rebounding and his defense especially have gotten A LOT better. I was surprised that Frank never used him against the other teams best big last year, but it's his job now and that's in the past, so I'm over it. As far as his offense, when he starts attempting shots that are more than four feet from the basket on a regular basis, I'll make sure to call him out on it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 21 2008, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Feb 21 2008, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 21 2008, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 21 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boone still has some improvement to do. For instance, too often he loses his man on defense and allows an easy dunk. However, he is just a kid who missed half of his rookie season (and played little when healthy). For someone with his limited experience, his future looks bright, so long as he continues to work on his weaknesses. It's too early to judge him, other than to recognize his obvious contributions and growth.</div> I wonder why he goes for layups at times instead of just putting it down. And hopefully w/ time he gets more comfortable w/ the ball. -Petey </div> he doesn't know how pivot so he just jumps ups wherever he is under the basket to try and put it in or at most makes one hop or step using one dribble ...he can't put himself in a good position first before trying to take a shot...that's why you see him take weird shots underneath which he misses or get blocked. he is also afraid of getting fouled and going to the line so he tries to put it in as quickly as possible. #1 work with bill cartwright on pivoting #2 work with kiki/thate on free throws </div> He should work with Swift on pivoting. Seriously, have you seen that dude move underneath the basket when he gets the ball? You see him under there, you're like, no way is he gonna dunk it. Then, he pulls an amazing pivot, and slams it down! That's one of my favorite parts of his game. </div> i know...stro's got all the tools and natural talent and feel for the game but is unmotivated and never seriously worked on his game...could've easily been the 2nd coming of the reinman...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 21 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have to say I prefer "Lincecain". Less porno.</div> You're a true giant.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 22 2008, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 21 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have to say I prefer "Lincecain". Less porno.</div> You're a true giant. </div> That's the most San Francisco Giants talk on this board in months. (No, Barry Bonds taking steroids doesn't count.) Changed it for that reason alone, ghoti.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 21 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Swift is better than Boone at this stage in their NBA careers. It's not that Swift is this old man who can't play, he is only 28!</div> Swift has never in his NBA career been better than Boone. Swift was drafted on potential and has never come close to living up to any of it. Yes, he is a better athlete than Boone, but Stro is also dumber than a box of rocks </div> Boone is a better rebounder and a better defender thanks to his big body. His FT% is just ridiculously awful... Swift is a better scorer, blocker, and can bring some punch on both ends thanks to his athletiscim. He's also a decent FT shooter. Now I know I'm a Swift lover (before Josh_Boone comes and remind me that), and I don't think Stro should start over him but saying he never was better than Boone in his career is pushing it. Having motivation problems doesn't make you a worst basketball player. And since he joined the Nets, Stromile did what he could with what he got... Here's a comparaison of Boone and Stro's sophomore seasons (per 36 mins).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stro6swift @ Feb 22 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 21 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Swift is better than Boone at this stage in their NBA careers. It's not that Swift is this old man who can't play, he is only 28!</div> Swift has never in his NBA career been better than Boone. Swift was drafted on potential and has never come close to living up to any of it. Yes, he is a better athlete than Boone, but Stro is also dumber than a box of rocks </div> Boone is a better rebounder and a better defender thanks to his big body. His FT% is just ridiculously awful... Swift is a better scorer, blocker, and can bring some punch on both ends thanks to his athletiscim. He's also a decent FT shooter. Now I know I'm a Swift lover (before Josh_Boone comes and remind me that), and I don't think Stro should start over him but saying he never was better than Boone in his career is pushing it. Having motivation problems doesn't make you a worst basketball player. And since he joined the Nets, Stromile did what he could with what he got... Here's a comparaison of Boone and Stro's sophomore seasons (per 36 mins). </div> I'm a big Stomile Swift fan and I'm extremely happy with him coming off the bench...that being said any comparisons to Boone were coming off as a direct response by the creator of this thread which was basically an extremely unwarranted attack on Boone as a player... The poster said that "Anybody could grab 15 rebounds a game if they were tall" then stated Stromile should start and that he was a better rebounder and better defender...which as a Swift fan you've just agreed isn't true. I don't want you to think that posters on this board don't like Swift...a lot of do. He's a athletic bigman who can dunk, block shots, hit a jumper and wears number 6...it's just when a player a lot of us like and enjoy watching is attacked unfairly we as Nets fans will pull out the stats and say whats true. Stromile Swift could've been great...really great. Josh Boone can just be really good at best...but it seems like Boone will work and become the best player he can while Swift will never even scratch his true potential. It's hard not to get behind a player that works.
dont forget boone hasnt had a 100% healthy offseason as an nba player yet hopefully this offseason he can hit the gym, put on some upper body strength and work on his game, maybe play in the summer league
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheKidHypno @ Feb 22 2008, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dont forget boone hasnt had a 100% healthy offseason as an nba player yet hopefully this offseason he can hit the gym, put on some upper body strength and work on his game, maybe play in the summer league</div> Dont think the summer League is open to him. Think it is only for 1st and 2 year players, could be wrong though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Feb 22 2008, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheKidHypno @ Feb 22 2008, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dont forget boone hasnt had a 100% healthy offseason as an nba player yet hopefully this offseason he can hit the gym, put on some upper body strength and work on his game, maybe play in the summer league</div> Dont think the summer League is open to him. Think it is only for 1st and 2 year players, could be wrong though. </div> nate robinson is in his 3rd year and he played during the summer
