Did Cuban really give up that much for Jason Kidd? That may be the general consensus. But looking at the trade a little more closely, Cuban might be a genius after all. 1. Devin Harris, 14.4 PPG, 2.3 RPG and 5.3 APG. At 24, he has a good future ahead of him. Jason Kidd good? I don't think so. But no offense to Mr. Harris, he will be a solid player for many years. I just don't see "Hall of Fame" in the guy. 2. DeSagana Diop, 3.0 PPG and 5.2 RPG. in 17 minutes of action is not even remotely ok. A lot say that he is a big that can help down low against the Duncans and the Stoudamires. Honestly, the best thing he has is his 6 fouls to give. Don't look at his 5.2 boards that much, the guy is 7 feet. 3. Trenton Hassell, 2.1 PPG, 1.2 RPG, and 0.7 APG. Garbage time type of a player. 4. Maurice Ager, 1.3 PPG, not seeing much more from this guy. 5. Keith Van Horn, He hasn't played in a year. Basically in there to complete the trade. 6. Two first round picks in 2008 and 2010. I just don't see the Mavs getting much from that situation. The Mavs won't be lottery bound anytime soon. Seven players in total. Sounds a lot, but doesn't really look much. In return, your getting one of the greatest player in the game in Jason Kidd. His age has been an issue for a couple of seasons now, but has yet to be a factor on the court. Turning 35 next month, he is nearly averaging a triple double and is leading the league with 12 triple doubles with still a lot of basketball to be played. Antoine Wright has showed potential early in the season but has been inconsistent. His 7.3 PPG, 3.0 RPG, and 1.6 APG in 25 minutes are not terrible. The 6-10 Allen, 5.4 PPG and 2.7 boards is there to give a few minutes of relief. With all of this in mind, what seemed a move of desperation, may very well be a well thought out plan by Cuban. All the statements that he didn't want Kidd, and a few saying that it would be a bad move to go after Kidd, Cuban may have set up one big illusion. Genius? He may very well be.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Feb 20 2008, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did Cuban really give up that much for Jason Kidd? That may be the general consensus. But looking at the trade a little more closely, Cuban might be a genius after all. 1. Devin Harris, 14.4 PPG, 2.3 RPG and 5.3 APG. At 24, he has a good future ahead of him. Jason Kidd good? I don't think so. But no offense to Mr. Harris, he will be a solid player for many years. I just don't see "Hall of Fame" in the guy.</div> It's impossible to get fair value for a hall of famer. Especially one that is past his prime years at age 35. But Devin Harris is more than a nice piece to get back. He's only 25 and can still get better, and some may argue that he is the best defensive point gaurd in the league. He can keep up with the Nash's, the Paul's and the Baron Davis' of the NBA. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>2. DeSagana Diop, 3.0 PPG and 5.2 RPG. in 17 minutes of action is not even remotely ok. A lot say that he is a big that can help down low against the Duncans and the Stoudamires. Honestly, the best thing he has is his 6 fouls to give. Don't look at his 5.2 boards that much, the guy is 7 feet. 3</div> In a conference dominated by big men (Duncan, Amare, Shaq, Bynum, Gasol, Yao, and in the future Greg Oden), the Mavericks will miss his presence. That's undeniable. Stats do not tell the entire story. Forget PER for a minute and look at the intangibles a guy brings to a team. That's where the Mavericks will miss him. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>. Trenton Hassell, 2.1 PPG, 1.2 RPG, and 0.7 APG. Garbage time type of a player. 4. Maurice Ager, 1.3 PPG, not seeing much more from this guy. 5. Keith Van Horn, He hasn't played in a year. Basically in there to complete the trade. 6. Two first round picks in 2008 and 2010. I just don't see the Mavs getting much from that situation. The Mavs won't be lottery bound anytime soon. Seven players in total. Sounds a lot, but doesn't really look much. In return, your getting one of the greatest player in the game in Jason Kidd. His age has been an issue for a couple of seasons now, but has yet to be a factor on the court. Turning 35 next month, he is nearly averaging a triple double and is leading the league with 12 triple doubles with still a lot of basketball to be played. Antoine Wright has showed potential early in the season but has been inconsistent. His 7.3 PPG, 3.0 RPG, and 1.6 APG in 25 minutes are not terrible. The 6-10 Allen, 5.4 PPG and 2.7 boards is there to give a few minutes of relief. With all of this in mind, what seemed a move of desperation, may very well be a well thought out plan by Cuban. All the statements that he didn't want Kidd, and a few saying that it would be a bad move to go after Kidd, Cuban may have set up one big illusion. Genius? He may very well be.</div> Actually, the way the West is they could finish well over .500 and miss the playoffs. Anything can happen. That's why the pick this year is lottery protected. Look, we had to trade Kidd. This is the best deal we can get. Stop taking about how Cuban didn't give up much for Kidd when the general consensus was that we were not going to get a player like Devin Harris back. You can take Kidd's triple-doubles and his leadership and see where it gets you. Me? I'm just glad a change was made and the Nets can move on and rebuild on the fly.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Feb 21 2008, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Feb 20 2008, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did Cuban really give up that much for Jason Kidd? That may be the general consensus. But looking at the trade a little more closely, Cuban might be a genius after all. 1. Devin Harris, 14.4 PPG, 2.3 RPG and 5.3 APG. At 24, he has a good future ahead of him. Jason Kidd good? I don't think so. But no offense to Mr. Harris, he will be a solid player for many years. I just don't see "Hall of Fame" in the guy.</div> It's impossible to get fair value for a hall of famer. Especially one that is past his prime years at age 35. But Devin Harris is more than a nice piece to get back. He's only 25 and can still get better, and some may argue that he is the best defensive point gaurd in the league. He can keep up with the Nash's, the Paul's and the Baron Davis' of the NBA. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>2. DeSagana Diop, 3.0 PPG and 5.2 RPG. in 17 minutes of action is not even remotely ok. A lot say that he is a big that can help down low against the Duncans and the Stoudamires. Honestly, the best thing he has is his 6 fouls to give. Don't look at his 5.2 boards that much, the guy is 7 feet. 3</div> In a conference dominated by big men (Duncan, Amare, Shaq, Bynum, Gasol, Yao, and in the future Greg Oden), the Mavericks will miss his presence. That's undeniable. Stats do not tell the entire story. Forget PER for a minute and look at the intangibles a guy brings to a team. That's where the Mavericks will miss him. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>. Trenton Hassell, 2.1 PPG, 1.2 RPG, and 0.7 APG. Garbage time type of a player. 4. Maurice Ager, 1.3 PPG, not seeing much more from this guy. 5. Keith Van Horn, He hasn't played in a year. Basically in there to complete the trade. 6. Two first round picks in 2008 and 2010. I just don't see the Mavs getting much from that situation. The Mavs won't be lottery bound anytime soon. Seven players in total. Sounds a lot, but doesn't really look much. In return, your getting one of the greatest player in the game in Jason Kidd. His age has been an issue for a couple of seasons now, but has yet to be a factor on the court. Turning 35 next month, he is nearly averaging a triple double and is leading the league with 12 triple doubles with still a lot of basketball to be played. Antoine Wright has showed potential early in the season but has been inconsistent. His 7.3 PPG, 3.0 RPG, and 1.6 APG in 25 minutes are not terrible. The 6-10 Allen, 5.4 PPG and 2.7 boards is there to give a few minutes of relief. With all of this in mind, what seemed a move of desperation, may very well be a well thought out plan by Cuban. All the statements that he didn't want Kidd, and a few saying that it would be a bad move to go after Kidd, Cuban may have set up one big illusion. Genius? He may very well be.</div> Actually, the way the West is they could finish well over .500 and miss the playoffs. Anything can happen. That's why the pick this year is lottery protected. Look, we had to trade Kidd. This is the best deal we can get. Stop taking about how Cuban didn't give up much for Kidd when the general consensus was that we were not going to get a player like Devin Harris back. You can take Kidd's triple-doubles and his leadership and see where it gets you. Me? I'm just glad a change was made and the Nets can move on and rebuild on the fly. </div> Dallas will gladly take his triple doubles and his leadership. Harris and Diop would not have pushed them over the hump. Like what I've been saying, not now, not ever. Sure, Diop could have given the Mavs a few minutes come playoff time, then what? This is not a knock on Harris or what the Nets got. Harris will be great for the Nets. A change was definitely needed in Jersey, and Harris is just what the doctor ordered. What I'm saying is that the deal was not lopsided. Under different circumstances, Thorn could have asked for more that what was given. And under those circumstances Cuban might have given more. Kidd is still a valuable player, both Thorn and Cuban knows that.
Did you see how well Trenton played tonight? Seems we got a bargain. BTW those 2 draft picks will probably be used as trade bait at some point. Draft picks are always worth more than the actual player that is picked...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Feb 21 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you see how well Trenton played tonight? Seems we got a bargain. BTW those 2 draft picks will probably be used as trade bait at some point. Draft picks are always worth more than the actual player that is picked...</div> Great play by Hassell, 4 PTS., 4 REB., and 4 dimes in just 22 minutes of action! Wow!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Feb 21 2008, 02:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Feb 21 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you see how well Trenton played tonight? Seems we got a bargain. BTW those 2 draft picks will probably be used as trade bait at some point. Draft picks are always worth more than the actual player that is picked...</div> Great play by Hassell, 4 PTS., 4 REB., and 4 dimes in just 22 minutes of action! Wow! </div> I sense a little sarcasm. The thing is you didn't see the kind of defense he was playing. The Nets always wanted a defensive player, who can perhaps, guard superstar players. We had Wright, who played good defensive, but Hassell seems to be on notch higher when it comes to defensive intensity. We're pretty excited to have him. Edit: Now as I look at your post, were you being sarcastic?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Feb 21 2008, 02:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Feb 21 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you see how well Trenton played tonight? Seems we got a bargain. BTW those 2 draft picks will probably be used as trade bait at some point. Draft picks are always worth more than the actual player that is picked...</div> Great play by Hassell, 4 PTS., 4 REB., and 4 dimes in just 22 minutes of action! Wow! </div> Don't forget the 1 steal, 1 block, and only 1 turnover. Great play by Kidd, too! 8 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, and 6 turnovers in just 37 minutes of action! Amazing!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 21 2008, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Feb 21 2008, 02:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Feb 21 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you see how well Trenton played tonight? Seems we got a bargain. BTW those 2 draft picks will probably be used as trade bait at some point. Draft picks are always worth more than the actual player that is picked...</div> Great play by Hassell, 4 PTS., 4 REB., and 4 dimes in just 22 minutes of action! Wow! </div> Don't forget the 1 steal, 1 block, and only 1 turnover. Great play by Kidd, too! 8 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, and 6 turnovers in just 37 minutes of action! Amazing! </div> Kidd will be back to being Kidd in a few games. What will Hassell be down the line?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Feb 21 2008, 02:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 21 2008, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Feb 21 2008, 02:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Feb 21 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you see how well Trenton played tonight? Seems we got a bargain. BTW those 2 draft picks will probably be used as trade bait at some point. Draft picks are always worth more than the actual player that is picked...</div> Great play by Hassell, 4 PTS., 4 REB., and 4 dimes in just 22 minutes of action! Wow! </div> Don't forget the 1 steal, 1 block, and only 1 turnover. Great play by Kidd, too! 8 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, and 6 turnovers in just 37 minutes of action! Amazing! </div> Kidd will be back to being Kidd in a few games. What will Hassell be down the line? </div> Completely missed the point. Did you even watch the Nets game? There's more to basketball than just stats. Trenton Hassell's role is to defend, hustle, provide energy, and score a bit, when needed. IMO that's one important thing the Nets needed off the bench, because obviously, nobody there was providing that. He was an unexpected throw-in, and should be considered a "steal" because he wasn't even one of the main parts of the trade. And btw, I don't mean to diss on Kidd, I know he'll be successful in Dallas. And I know he will bring more to Dallas than just the statline shown in just one game. He'll also bring them a point guard who can post up, who knows the game, who can get players open, who can lead his teammates, and make teammates better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 21 2008, 03:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Feb 21 2008, 02:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 21 2008, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Feb 21 2008, 02:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Feb 21 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you see how well Trenton played tonight? Seems we got a bargain. BTW those 2 draft picks will probably be used as trade bait at some point. Draft picks are always worth more than the actual player that is picked...</div> Great play by Hassell, 4 PTS., 4 REB., and 4 dimes in just 22 minutes of action! Wow! </div> Don't forget the 1 steal, 1 block, and only 1 turnover. Great play by Kidd, too! 8 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, and 6 turnovers in just 37 minutes of action! Amazing! </div> Kidd will be back to being Kidd in a few games. What will Hassell be down the line? </div> Completely missed the point. Did you even watch the Nets game? There's more to basketball than just stats. Trenton Hassell's role is to defend, hustle, provide energy, and score a bit, when needed. IMO that's one important thing the Nets needed off the bench, because obviously, nobody there was providing that. He was an unexpected throw-in, and should be considered a "steal" because he wasn't even one of the main parts of the trade. And btw, I don't mean to diss on Kidd, I know he'll be successful in Dallas. And I know he will bring more to Dallas than just the statline shown in just one game. He'll also bring them a point guard who can post up, who knows the game, who can get players open, who can lead his teammates, and make teammates better. </div> Like I said, my statements are in no way to knock on the players the Nets got. I was just pointing out a few details. And I do think both teams benefit from the trade. Both needed a change, and that is just what they got.
How does it make Cuban a genius? If he wanted Kidd, he had to give up either Terry or Harris. The Nets didn't want Terry. The other pieces just fall into place after that.
