The Kidd era in Jersey is in the books. The face of the franchise may have gone, but there's no reason for them not to get up. The Nets are on the right path. Devin Harris, Sean Williams, and Richard Jefferson are very well capable of giving the Nets a bright future. I didn't mention Marcus for this reason. I don't think Marcus can handle backing up Harris. I think everybody expected him to step in Kidd's place, including himself. I think it's either or with Harris and Williams. But with Marcus' injuries early, the Nets may not give him the nod. So it would make sense for them to use him as trade bait and get either a backup 1 or 2 guard in return. As for "half man, a quarter amazing", I agree with Magic and Sir Charles that he's done. From all-star to a decent starter, Carter will only be able to give glimpses of his former self. And his ridiculous contract doesn't help either. It won't be long now when Carter becomes a second or even a third option. Maybe even come off the bench which gave them some kind of success before. Young guys, future picks and a new address. The future does look promising for the Nets. A salute to Kidd for his work, but it's time to move on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Feb 28 2008, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you really leave out Boone?</div> Sorry about that. Josh should be inlcuded on my list. Thanks for pointing that out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Feb 28 2008, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Feb 28 2008, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you really leave out Boone?</div> Sorry about that. Josh should be inlcuded on my list. Thanks for pointing that out. </div> No, thank you for the correction . No love for Marcus huh?
I kind of agree with you. What I would like to see is this: PG - Marcus Williams SG - Devin Harris (kinda like a better Kittles - fast, quick, defense, can finish) SF - Richard Jefferson PF - Sean Williams C - Josh Boone Bench PG - Darrell Armstrong SG - Vince Carter/Maurice Ager SF - Bostjan Nachbar/Trenton Hassell PF - Nenad Krstic/Stromile Swift C - Dasagna Diop The starters will still remain a relatively fast, movement without the ball oriented team The bench will be more of a Vince Carter ISO, half-court, type of team. Yes, I know all you Vince fans will somehow be offended, etc. But this is not an attack on Vince. People here place too much emphasis on starting/not starting. As Dumpy has said time and again, it's all about player combinations. My proposal is based on style of play. And Vince has shown that he can still dominate other team's 2nd units.
TSN.ca trashed us about how bad we have been since Kidd trade happened and they included the game against the Raptors. I found that a low blow because to be considered the new era, I would hope they would wait till we have some of our traded players playing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Feb 28 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I kind of agree with you. What I would like to see is this: PG - Marcus Williams SG - Devin Harris (kinda like a better Kittles - fast, quick, defense, can finish) SF - Richard Jefferson PF - Sean Williams C - Josh Boone Bench PG - Darrell Armstrong SG - Vince Carter/Maurice Ager SF - Bostjan Nachbar/Trenton Hassell PF - Nenad Krstic/Stromile Swift C - Dasagna Diop The starters will still remain a relatively fast, movement without the ball oriented team The bench will be more of a Vince Carter ISO, half-court, type of team. Yes, I know all you Vince fans will somehow be offended, etc. But this is not an attack on Vince. People here place too much emphasis on starting/not starting. As Dumpy has said time and again, it's all about player combinations. My proposal is based on style of play. And Vince has shown that he can still dominate other team's 2nd units.</div> It's possible that you're right that Marcus and Devin could be effective together; we'll have to wait and see. The main complaint I have with your plan is that teams don't bring in their reserves as a unit; they mix and match--so it is inaccurate to describe the reserves as a Vince Carter team. Also, I still believe that Carter can dominate ANYONE--I still believe strongly that his problems this year were injury-related, and that is bourne out by the fact that Carter has been at his WORST on zero day's rest, but with proper rest he has generally been much more effective. Also, it seems as though his play has been more inspired recently, which again suggests that a lingering injury is just starting to improve. Remember, over the past two years Carter has been generally dominant offensively, and I'm not ready to write him off yet. You may even be able to use Marcus and Devin together as part of a small lineup, with possibly RJ at the 4. For next year, it looks like it'll be: PG: Devin, Marcus, [FA] SG/SF: Carter, RJ, Hassell, Ager?, [DRAFTEE][DRAFTEE] PF/C: Boone, Sean, Krstic, Swift, Diop Notes: --the FA PG will probably be a veteran who doesn't have to be developed and won't complain if he doesn't play for long stretches. He'll only play if there's an injury or if Marcus continues to be terrible and/or inconsistent. Wouldn't mind having Darryl Armstrong back, if he doesn't retire. --I have both first-round draft picks pencilled in as wings. Remember, the Nets have NEVER drafted two players in the same year at the same position, so one of them may well be more of a SF/PF, assuming they do use both picks and don't make a deal. --The big rotation is missing a second big man that can shoot, and I wouldn't be surprised if either they let Diop go, or trade one of them to acquire a jump-shooting big. This seems to be important to the Nets' management for better or worse. Think about it, Scalabrine was supposed to be a big who could shoot, and he was followed by Cliffy, Mikki Moore, and Malik Allen. None of these guys could rebound. It seems like there was a concerted effort to have a guy with that sort of skill set on the roster every season. Really, two such guys--I'm not counting the starter, Krstic. If the Nets don't resign him, then they'll have a huge hole w/regard to that skill set. --I could see the Nets dealing Ager. If they draft two wings, where would that leave Ager? You couldn't hope to develop all three of them simultaneously. --Maybe you try to do something like Swift, Ager, and a pick for Mike Miller, I don't know.
True, I understand that basektball is not like hockey and there arent' any "line changes" per se. However, Carter has shown 2 things if you look at recent history: 1) When he came off the bench on the West Coast trip, he was very effective and the Nets won all of those games. 2) Whether he was injured recently or not, his main problem has been one of commitment to playing hard night in and night out. The difference can be seen in when he aggressively attacks the rim for stretches vs when he doesn't (and doesn't get to the foul line). Even the Nets homer announcers have mentioned this on several occasions (I love them but they're still homers and rarely criticize any Nets)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Feb 28 2008, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>True, I understand that basektball is not like hockey and there arent' any "line changes" per se. However, Carter has shown 2 things if you look at recent history: 1) When he came off the bench on the West Coast trip, he was very effective and the Nets won all of those games. 2) Whether he was injured recently or not, his main problem has been one of commitment to playing hard night in and night out. The difference can be seen in when he aggressively attacks the rim for stretches vs when he doesn't (and doesn't get to the foul line). Even the Nets homer announcers have mentioned this on several occasions (I love them but they're still homers and rarely criticize any Nets)</div> I've been a big critic of Vince since he came here, but I think he's attacking more and playing hard consistantly since the trade. I think the Kidd soap opera was too much pressure. The best thing since the trade is no more big double digit deficits to overcome. I'm really curious to see how Devin fits in before I make any comments on major lineup changes.
I think any trade with VC would have to include one of the cheaper young players, Boone, either Williams. I can't see Thorn moving their own pick to unload VC. Thorn did well in getting chips back from Dallas. He held out. Knew Kidd would basically play championship ball against the Mavs that Sunday. I actually like the idea of Devin playing the Kittles role alongside Marcus, but I think the Nets would need a very strong/dominant post player, can Krstic be that guy? A rotation of Boone and Williams would suffice if we had say an LBJ, Melo type wing player, but I don't know if RJ can fill that role.
They got Harris to be a point guard not a two guard. He's a better point than Marcus and he should keep playing the point. Kittles was the prototype 2 guard. Good defender, fast, long and could shoot the 3. Harris has the D and the speed, but He is no where near the shooter Kittles was. Most of his points come on drives (only 25 3s made this year). And he's a good deal shorter than Kittles. That comparison is a stretch. Occasionally, I'm sure Marcus will play along side DH and he'll also back him up and get about 20-24 minutes a game. That's plenty for him right now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Feb 28 2008, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They got Harris to be a point guard not a two guard. He's a better point than Marcus and he should keep playing the point. Kittles was the prototype 2 guard. Good defender, fast, long and could shoot the 3. Harris has the D and the speed, but He is no where near the shooter Kittles was. Most of his points come on drives (only 25 3s made this year). And he's a good deal shorter than Kittles. That comparison is a stretch. Occasionally, I'm sure Marcus will play along side DH and he'll also back him up and get about 20-24 minutes a game. That's plenty for him right now.</div> The only knocks on Harris have been durabilty and court vision, from a aspect of who is the better PG Marcus may indeed be better, however at this point Harris is clearly the better player. Would like to see better rotations with Harris in... Starting Lineup: PG: Devin Harris SG: Vince Carter SF: Richard Jefferson PF: Nenad Kristic C: Josh Boone 1st Rotation PG: Marcus Williams SG: Devin Harris SF: Richard Jefferson PF: Sean Williams C: Josh Boone 2nd Rotation PG: Marcus Williams SG: Vince Carter SF: Boki Nachbar (Trenton Hassell if defensive prescence required) PF: Sean Williams C: Diop (Swift in if Hassell is in) then back to starting lineup...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Feb 28 2008, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Feb 28 2008, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Feb 28 2008, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you really leave out Boone?</div> Sorry about that. Josh should be inlcuded on my list. Thanks for pointing that out. </div> No, thank you for the correction . No love for Marcus huh? </div> It's not that, I do think he's a good player. But I just see a lot of Marbury in him and I don't think the Nets need that. It's RJ's team now and Devin Harris will compliment him better. Putting him at the 2 spot will help them offensively but they will suffer on the defensive end. Playing small ball will just not cut it anymore.
Mark Jackson suggested playing Harris & Williams playing at the same time too. Not to the point of starting them together. -Petey
This is the updated rotation I think Frank should use. Option 1 Starting Lineup: PG: Devin Harris SG: Vince Carter SF: Richard Jefferson PF: Stromile Swift C: Josh Boone 1st Rotation PG: Marcus Williams SG: Devin Harris SF: Richard Jefferson PF: Sean Williams C: Josh Boone 2nd Rotation PG: Marcus Williams SG: Vince Carter SF: Boki Nachbar (Trenton Hassell if defensive prescence required) PF: Stromile Swift C: Diop (Swift in if Hassell is in) then back to starting lineup... 9-10 player rotation... Option 2 Starting Lineup PG: Devin Harris SG: Vince Carter SF: Richard Jefferson PF: Stromile Swift C: Josh Boone 1st Rotation PG: Devin Harris SG: Richard Jefferson SF: Boki Nachbar ( Trenton Hassell if defense needed) PF: Sean Williams C: Josh Boone 2nd Rotation PG: Marcus Williams SG: Vince Carter SF: Boki Nachbar PF: Stromile Swift C: Desanga Diop Honestly against teams with quicker lineups we should use option 1, against teams with bigger guards option 2.... That's it rotation wise. call me crazy but I think these rotations work.
