(1) devin or marcus? marcus or devin? Who cares! Toronto has shown that a PG tandem of two talented kids can work in a time share. I think you'll see Marcus get more PT and more rope in the future. (2) anyone else laugh at all the reports that devin is happy to leave dallas because avery is a micro-manager who calls all the plays? LOL! So what is Frank? (3) haven't seen the nets play like that in a LONG time. Kidd is really talented when his heart is in it, but man! there's a whole other dimension now in the Nets' offense that we've never seen. kidd took, what, six shots a game, and would go to the FT line twice. (4) (main point) something frank said a few games ago in the pre-game segment was interesting. he stressed how, when you get the ball, there are just three things you can do with it: shoot, pass, or dribble, and he called players who take more than two seconds to decide what to do as "ball-stoppers." it is true; over the past two years the Nets have been somewhat deliberate in the offensive sets, and you can really see the difference between them and a team like portland that makes very quick decisions with the ball. if this is something that frank has been focusing on this year, it may partially explain why magloire wasn't playing. Not only does he not have quick feet on defense, but when he gets the ball in the post, it seems like everything stops. Makes you also wonder why they got rid of House (again), because he is a quick decision-maker. (4)(a) in light of (4) above, it seems that the players the Nets have gotten rid of all were slow decision-makers when they got the ball--collins, malik, magloire, and wright. as a result, the offense has a better flow. Boki is inconsistent, but he doesn't hesitate to do something when he gets the ball. it's also ironic that kidd is still stuck with three of those players. I wonder if this is something that Frank is stressing, or something that Kiki has stressed since he was brought on board. It's a little suspicious that those are the players the Nets got rid of. (4)(b ) I'm willing to project now that the team the Nets will try to build is one of quick decision-makers who play strong defense. Sean, Boone, Swift, even Diop seem to fit this type--I've been pleasantly surprised by Diop (and swift). Also, Hassell doesn't hesitate to take that shot from the corner when he's open--he doesn't have to think about it first. Makes me start to wonder some more about whether Krstic will be back. He seems to be the biggest culprit of who is left on the roster. We don't know anything about Ager. (4)(c ) so I think that Boki is in danger because of his poor defense. I suspect that if armstrong does not decide to retire, he'll be brought back. I think krstic is in danger, even when he was healthy he was a little deliberate and didn't have good foot speed on defense. Ager--as I said, who knows. I now think it is UNLIKELY that Wright will be brought back, if I'm right that this quick decision-making is something that the team is stressing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 29 2008, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>(4)(c ) so I think that Boki is in danger because of his poor defense. I suspect that if armstrong does not decide to retire, he'll be brought back. I think krstic is in danger, even when he was healthy he was a little deliberate and didn't have good foot speed on defense. Ager--as I said, who knows. I now think it is UNLIKELY that Wright will be brought back, if I'm right that this quick decision-making is something that the team is stressing.</div> We can afford to let Boki go, BUT we must replace him with a capable scorer...I still like J.R. Smith, but since he's got character issues maybe we take a run at Michael Pietrus instead. Fact of the matter is this team can compete in the east. Last night was a big victory....Milwaukee with Redd is a better team than there record indicates...energy was excellent and the chemistry seemed to be great with everybody.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 29 2008, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dumpy, did you just call Stro a quick decision maker?</div> In the very limited time I've seen him play on the Nets, he's made a few quick passes, and when he gets the ball underneath, he doesn't hesitate before trying to score. I recognize that this is a small sample size, and maybe he just looks quick because my base line for comparison is Jason Collins, Malik Allen, Cliff Robinson, Jamall Magoire, Nenad Krstic, John Thomas, Mile Ilic, Scott Padgett, Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, etc.
In the very limited minutes he's played, Stro has made two very nice, quick passes to players underneath the bucket, anticipating a rotation out from the defense. As Dumpy says, not a big enough sample for conclusions but definitely a contradiction to his reputation. And his short jumpers look pretty nice. I'd like to see him get some consistent minutes for a while to see if he can expand on those positives.
1) I think if the Nets make any big move this summer, Marcus may be used in that deal. (ie dumping VC or trying to get someone like Brand in a sign and trade) 2) LFrank is a micro manager for certain. Maybe since the front office is giving him youth he will realize sometimes players need to learn things on their own: the hard way. 3) Players caring makes the game more enjoyable... and at least last night, it seemed like excited fans helped feed that energy back into the team. 4) Ball stoppers surely don't help, but interior scorers generally have to wait to draw in the defense in order to open up opportunities for perimeter players. A, B, C, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they let Krstic go. I like the guy, but he has taken forever to get back into form. If the Nets do go up tempo, he doesn't fit. He's a plodder. Also, the Nets have a logjam at the power spots. Boone, Swat, Swift are all under contract next year. Diop is a Collins replacement without the broken down body and the Nets will likely try to keep him. IMHO, that leaves Krstic on the outside looking in. I'd hate to lose Boki for two reasons: 1) He always cares. 2) I like him because he always cares. His defense may suck, but he genuinely tries hard every moment he's on the floor. Sadly, that is not the case with most pro's anymore.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MFNetsFan @ Feb 29 2008, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1) I think if the Nets make any big move this summer, Marcus may be used in that deal. (ie dumping VC or trying to get someone like Brand in a sign and trade) 2) LFrank is a micro manager for certain. Maybe since the front office is giving him youth he will realize sometimes players need to learn things on their own: the hard way. 3) Players caring makes the game more enjoyable... and at least last night, it seemed like excited fans helped feed that energy back into the team. 4) Ball stoppers surely don't help, but interior scorers generally have to wait to draw in the defense in order to open up opportunities for perimeter players. A, B, C, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they let Krstic go. I like the guy, but he has taken forever to get back into form. If the Nets do go up tempo, he doesn't fit. He's a plodder. Also, the Nets have a logjam at the power spots. Boone, Swat, Swift are all under contract next year. Diop is a Collins replacement without the broken down body and the Nets will likely try to keep him. IMHO, that leaves Krstic on the outside looking in. I'd hate to lose Boki for two reasons: 1) He always cares. 2) I like him because he always cares. His defense may suck, but he genuinely tries hard every moment he's on the floor. Sadly, that is not the case with most pro's anymore.</div> 1) I think Sean could be a trade chip too. 2) I think the majority of what Frank yells is to inform his players what the other team is doing offensively or defensively. Never hear a single whisper from the players about him micro-managing. 3 & 4) totally agree. I think Krstic plays more like a center and he's perfect for an uptempo team when healthy. He's the only big that can shoot the ball (again when healthy) so I don't know about him being on the outside. I also don't see them overpaying to keep him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 29 2008, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dumpy, did you just call Stro a quick decision maker?</div> how long are you going to carry this on for? swift has played three great games for the nets and it's the same stuff we hear from you of how he was in memphis. but what's new, i don expect you to admit you were wrong
i still think we need to sign a backup 2/3 or draft a scorer over the summer. boki will not recieve a big payday from any team so he MIGHT be brough back for cheap as a 7th man
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 29 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 29 2008, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dumpy, did you just call Stro a quick decision maker?</div> how long are you going to carry this on for? swift has played three great games for the nets and it's the same stuff we hear from you of how he was in memphis. but what's new, i don expect you to admit you were wrong </div> Swift has played with little IQ his whole career among being a huge bust, so why should anyone's opinion change after a few games?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 29 2008, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 29 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 29 2008, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dumpy, did you just call Stro a quick decision maker?</div> how long are you going to carry this on for? swift has played three great games for the nets and it's the same stuff we hear from you of how he was in memphis. but what's new, i don expect you to admit you were wrong </div> Swift has played with little IQ his whole career among being a huge bust, so why should anyone's opinion change after a few games? </div> because he's playing well for us, i may be wrong but cpawfan also said that swift is a team cancer and is like jeff mcinnis... any problems yet?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 29 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 29 2008, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dumpy, did you just call Stro a quick decision maker?</div> how long are you going to carry this on for? swift has played three great games for the nets and it's the same stuff we hear from you of how he was in memphis. but what's new, i don expect you to admit you were wrong </div> 3 great games? Until last night he's only played garbage time when no one gave a shit. And I wouldn't deem last nights performance great. He played well and I'm hoping for more.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 29 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1) I think Sean could be a trade chip too.</div> I've been thinking about this one. If you combine Sean with the Dallas first round picks and maybe a Nets pick it could really maximize the value of the Nets assets in a trade. What could that get? I think a marquee bigman should be the target with such a package. If the Nets could add that type of big in the offseason to a starting a lineup of Harris, Carter, Jefferson, star bigman, Diop that could reload the Nets back into the East and they would be a more balanced, dangerous team. They could then just use the MLE to get some role players like shooters and defenders for the backup wing positions. Why go for the total tear down and rebuild when they are also in a position to reload with a talented bigman? Harris/Williams Carter/? Jefferson/? Star Big/Boone Diop/Krstic
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Feb 29 2008, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 29 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1) I think Sean could be a trade chip too.</div> I've been thinking about this one. If you combine Sean with the Dallas first round picks and maybe a Nets pick it could really maximize the value of the Nets assets in a trade. What could that get? I think a marquee bigman should be the target with such a package. If the Nets could add that type of big in the offseason to a starting a lineup of Harris, Carter, Jefferson, star bigman, Diop that could reload the Nets back into the East and they would be a more balanced, dangerous team. They could then just use the MLE to get some role players like shooters and defenders for the backup wing positions. Why go for the total tear down and rebuild when they are also in a position to reload with a talented bigman? Harris/Williams Carter/? Jefferson/? Star Big/Boone Diop/Krstic </div> So Diop is starting over Boone now? And what marquee big men are available? Who has a contract to matchup salaries with a marquee big? Answers?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Feb 29 2008, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 29 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1) I think Sean could be a trade chip too.</div> I've been thinking about this one. If you combine Sean with the Dallas first round picks and maybe a Nets pick it could really maximize the value of the Nets assets in a trade. What could that get? I think a marquee bigman should be the target with such a package. If the Nets could add that type of big in the offseason to a starting a lineup of Harris, Carter, Jefferson, star bigman, Diop that could reload the Nets back into the East and they would be a more balanced, dangerous team. They could then just use the MLE to get some role players like shooters and defenders for the backup wing positions. Why go for the total tear down and rebuild when they are also in a position to reload with a talented bigman? Harris/Williams Carter/? Jefferson/? Star Big/Boone Diop/Krstic </div> Unfortunately there aren't any star big men available. JON? Makes too much money. Brand? Has an opt out this summer and Miami is going to go hard after him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Feb 29 2008, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So Diop is starting over Boone now? And what marquee big men are available? Who has a contract to matchup salaries with a marquee big? Answers?</div> Brand would be the first likely target and the contracts used to matchup salaries would be Swift, Hassell, Ager, and Sean.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Feb 29 2008, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Feb 29 2008, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So Diop is starting over Boone now? And what marquee big men are available? Who has a contract to matchup salaries with a marquee big? Answers?</div> Brand would be the first likely target and the contracts used to matchup salaries would be Swift, Hassell, Ager, and Sean. </div> Honestly I don't like the idea of trading for a 30 year 6'8 powerforward coming off an achilles tendon rupture...He'd want an extension and reality is that would pretty much end the Lebron sweepstakes. Plus they'd also want Marcus...meaning we'd destroy our depth and youth movement. So No. Also why do you want to sit Boone who averages 10.3 and 8.7 as a 23 year old second year starter in favor of Diop who is 26 with career averages 3.0 and 5.1? Doesnt seem sensible.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 29 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 29 2008, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 29 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 29 2008, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dumpy, did you just call Stro a quick decision maker?</div> how long are you going to carry this on for? swift has played three great games for the nets and it's the same stuff we hear from you of how he was in memphis. but what's new, i don expect you to admit you were wrong </div> Swift has played with little IQ his whole career among being a huge bust, so why should anyone's opinion change after a few games? </div> because he's playing well for us, i may be wrong but cpawfan also said that swift is a team cancer and is like jeff mcinnis... any problems yet? </div> He was absolutely a cancer in Memphis, especially at the end of his rookie contract. Stro is in a new environment and is going to be on good behavior for a while. We'll see what happens when he isn't getting much playing time next season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 29 2008, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 29 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 29 2008, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 29 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 29 2008, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dumpy, did you just call Stro a quick decision maker?</div> how long are you going to carry this on for? swift has played three great games for the nets and it's the same stuff we hear from you of how he was in memphis. but what's new, i don expect you to admit you were wrong </div> Swift has played with little IQ his whole career among being a huge bust, so why should anyone's opinion change after a few games? </div> because he's playing well for us, i may be wrong but cpawfan also said that swift is a team cancer and is like jeff mcinnis... any problems yet? </div> He was absolutely a cancer in Memphis, especially at the end of his rookie contract. Stro is in a new environment and is going to be on good behavior for a while. We'll see what happens when he isn't getting much playing time next season. </div> at the end of his rookie contract? like 5 years ago? you dont think people mature?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Feb 29 2008, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also why do you want to sit Boone who averages 10.3 and 8.7 as a 23 year old second year starter in favor of Diop who is 26 with career averages 3.0 and 5.1? Doesnt seem sensible.</div> Not that big of a deal between Diop and Boone starting. Diop did start on a very good Mavs team. He could match up with the bulkier centers in the league. Also, Boone seems like a better front court pairing with Krstic where both could bring a scoring punch off the bench running the pick and roll with Marcus. Either one starts doesn't bother me much.
