<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 1 2008, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 1 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't respond in detail on my phone, but IMO the idea is to win the championship, and the "Dumpy Plan" presented above won't accomplish that.</div> Thats total crap. We had 3 superstars together at once and won nothing. The fact that we would be giving up young talent for what could be a major and I say a major disapointment is a risk that Rod and Kiki will not take. It's not going to happen, so stop posting dumb ideas. </div> You really don't want to set the standard at stop posting dumb ideas As for the rest of your post, when did the Nets have 3 superstars on the same team in the Thorn era? </div> Dont you start. Recall Kidd, VC, RJ? What have we won other than 2nd round playoff exit's?
How about this: Jefferson+Krstic+Swift+Marcus+Ager+ 2 1st round picks for Brand+Maggette+Knight? With that deal we dont have to worry about Krstic anymore and he would be a good fit in the frontcourt alongside Kaman. Maggette's contract expires the same time Brand's does, so we would put in asituation on which player to resign at that time, obviously it would be Brand. Maggette's contract would give us some cap relief for resigning Brand. We also get a very solid back up point guard, and yes we do give up Marcus but it would be a small sacrifice since the Clippers would probably want an young pg. Swift and Ager are there for cap reasons and the first round pick would probably be needed to coerce the Clippers into the deal. I say dont go over giving up 2 first round picks, considering we would take a small hit in the depth chart already with this deal. So the new depth chart would be: Harris/Knight/Armstrong Carter/Hassel Maggette/Nachbar/KVH*-wont play but he still counts as a roster spot until he leaves Brand/S.Williams Boone/Diop Then fill out the rest via FA and the draft. I would love to resign Armstrong for cheap, but Nachbar can be easily replaced via the FA or draft. Diop, I believe, needs to be resigned. I don't know about you guys, but that frontcourt looks pretty good and a good start to building a very good team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 1 2008, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 1 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't respond in detail on my phone, but IMO the idea is to win the championship, and the "Dumpy Plan" presented above won't accomplish that.</div> Thats total crap. We had 3 superstars together at once and won nothing. The fact that we would be giving up young talent for what could be a major and I say a major disapointment is a risk that Rod and Kiki will not take. It's not going to happen, so stop posting dumb ideas. </div> You really don't want to set the standard at stop posting dumb ideas As for the rest of your post, when did the Nets have 3 superstars on the same team in the Thorn era? </div> Dont you start. Recall Kidd, VC, RJ? What have we won other than 2nd round playoff exit's? </div> Still haven't shown that the Nets had 3 superstars, let alone players that fit well together
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 1 2008, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 1 2008, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 1 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't respond in detail on my phone, but IMO the idea is to win the championship, and the "Dumpy Plan" presented above won't accomplish that.</div> Thats total crap. We had 3 superstars together at once and won nothing. The fact that we would be giving up young talent for what could be a major and I say a major disapointment is a risk that Rod and Kiki will not take. It's not going to happen, so stop posting dumb ideas. </div> You really don't want to set the standard at stop posting dumb ideas As for the rest of your post, when did the Nets have 3 superstars on the same team in the Thorn era? </div> Dont you start. Recall Kidd, VC, RJ? What have we won other than 2nd round playoff exit's? </div> Still haven't shown that the Nets had 3 superstars, let alone players that fit well together </div> Kidd, VC, RJ are all superstars.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 1 2008, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 1 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't respond in detail on my phone, but IMO the idea is to win the championship, and the "Dumpy Plan" presented above won't accomplish that.</div> Thats total crap. We had 3 superstars together at once and won nothing. The fact that we would be giving up young talent for what could be a major and I say a major disapointment is a risk that Rod and Kiki will not take. It's not going to happen, so stop posting dumb ideas. </div> You really don't want to set the standard at stop posting dumb ideas As for the rest of your post, when did the Nets have 3 superstars on the same team in the Thorn era? </div> Dont you start. Recall Kidd, VC, RJ? What have we won other than 2nd round playoff exit's? </div> Please, since when was RJ ever a star in all these years, and as great as Kidd has been for us, his inability score hurt a lot. Carter is the only one on that list that could be considered double team worthy, as opposed to a core like the celtics, where not only is it well balanced(big man, slasher, shooter instead of passer and two wings) but also each player in that core would demand a double team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 1 2008, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 1 2008, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 1 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't respond in detail on my phone, but IMO the idea is to win the championship, and the "Dumpy Plan" presented above won't accomplish that.</div> Thats total crap. We had 3 superstars together at once and won nothing. The fact that we would be giving up young talent for what could be a major and I say a major disapointment is a risk that Rod and Kiki will not take. It's not going to happen, so stop posting dumb ideas. </div> You really don't want to set the standard at stop posting dumb ideas As for the rest of your post, when did the Nets have 3 superstars on the same team in the Thorn era? </div> Dont you start. Recall Kidd, VC, RJ? What have we won other than 2nd round playoff exit's? </div> Still haven't shown that the Nets had 3 superstars, let alone players that fit well together </div> Kidd, VC, RJ are all superstars. </div> No. Kidd is a hall of fame pg who cannot score, Carter is inconsistent, and the word "superstar" should never be affiliated with Jefferson.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd, VC, RJ are all superstars.</div> Well if you consider RJ a superstar, it makes much more sense now why you overrated Boone
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 1 2008, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd, VC, RJ are all superstars.</div> Well if you consider RJ a superstar, it makes much more sense now why you overrated Boone </div> I think RJ is a superstar. I dont ocerrate Boone, but i was on the money mostly when I said he would be pretty good.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thats total crap. We had 3 superstars together at once and won nothing. The fact that we would be giving up young talent for what could be a major and I say a major disapointment is a risk that Rod and Kiki will not take. It's not going to happen, so stop posting dumb ideas.</div> I have a better idea. Why don't you go away until you learn how to respond to others with a modicum of civility and courtesy?
This thread is ridiculous. trading for an aging 6'8 powerforward coming off an achilles tendon rupture doesn't make sense when you have a young pointguard whose speciality is to push tempo. Also at this point is Elton Brand a superstar? I don't think we win a championship by swinging that deal...therefore I doubt it happens anyway.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 1 2008, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This thread is ridiculous.</div> I see you've attended the same school of board etiquette as Josh_Boone.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Mar 1 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 1 2008, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This thread is ridiculous.</div> I see you've attended the same school of board etiquette as Josh_Boone. </div> Very subtle. What can I say I call it like I see it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 1 2008, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't respond in detail on my phone, but IMO the idea is to win the championship, and the "Dumpy Plan" presented above won't accomplish that.</div> Someone once said, "rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for IBM." Being a fan is about optimism, hope, and more often than not, anguish. I prefer to watch the development of our young players in the hope that they someday reach the pinnacle of success than to watch a team of ringers. Ask yourself if you would have been as happy as a Patriot fan over the past five years than you were a Giants fan.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Mar 1 2008, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 1 2008, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't respond in detail on my phone, but IMO the idea is to win the championship, and the "Dumpy Plan" presented above won't accomplish that.</div> Someone once said, "rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for IBM." Being a fan is about optimism, hope, and more often than not, anguish. I prefer to watch the development of our young players in the hope that they someday reach the pinnacle of success than to watch a team of ringers. Ask yourself if you would have been as happy as a Patriot fan over the past five years than you were a Giants fan. </div> I'd be happier as a Patriots fan. Three times happier.
Look, in the last 29 years, 28 teams have won NBA titles with superstars supported by the right role players and one has won with "a team built through balance and depth".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Mar 1 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 1 2008, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 1 2008, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Mar 1 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 1 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't respond in detail on my phone, but IMO the idea is to win the championship, and the "Dumpy Plan" presented above won't accomplish that.</div> Thats total crap. We had 3 superstars together at once and won nothing. The fact that we would be giving up young talent for what could be a major and I say a major disapointment is a risk that Rod and Kiki will not take. It's not going to happen, so stop posting dumb ideas. </div> You really don't want to set the standard at stop posting dumb ideas As for the rest of your post, when did the Nets have 3 superstars on the same team in the Thorn era? </div> Dont you start. Recall Kidd, VC, RJ? What have we won other than 2nd round playoff exit's? </div> Still haven't shown that the Nets had 3 superstars, let alone players that fit well together </div> Kidd, VC, RJ are all superstars. </div> No. Kidd is a hall of fame pg who cannot score, Carter is inconsistent, and the word "superstar" should never be affiliated with Jefferson. </div> Kidd was a good enough player to build a title team around up until this season. The reasons that didn't have any chance of happening are incompetence on the part of the GM and the misplaced priorities of the owner.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 1 2008, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 1 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't respond in detail on my phone, but IMO the idea is to win the championship, and the "Dumpy Plan" presented above won't accomplish that.</div> Brand doesn't get the Nets significantly closer to a championship considering what would have to be traded away and what he'll need to be paid </div> I think more highly of Brand than you do, but at least this argument makes sense.
I think you should get the depth, then trade the extra pieces for the superstars. Like how Portland has their big three now, but is looking to trade depth for guys like Harris and Granger, and it isn't like they don't have the pieces to be able to do that. I think we could be there after this draft, although not quite to the extent of Portland. If we could trade for Kaman instead of Brand though, without giving up more then RJ Marcus and a young big. Harris and Kaman would be a good start, and with Vince, Diop, 2 of Boone/Sean/Krstic, perhaps Hassel, Ager, and Nachbar, maybe Mayo or someone from the draft this year, that'd be a good start
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 1 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look, in the last 29 years, 28 teams have won NBA titles with superstars supported by the right role players and one has won with "a team built through balance and depth".</div> Yep and even the Pistons played elite defense. We don't. I don't know if Brand is a superstar until he comes back, though. I'd probably do it for RJ/Boone/picks
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Mar 1 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look, in the last 29 years, 28 teams have won NBA titles with superstars supported by the right role players and one has won with "a team built through balance and depth".</div> Look again. they all had depth. The Nets have filled their rosters with role players taht are typically out of the league the enxt year. There's no indication that would change.
