Email from the Obama Campaign being circulated: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Our projections show the most likely outcome of yesterday's elections will be that Hillary Clinton gained 187 delegates, and we gained 183. That's a net gain of 4 delegates out of more than 370 delegates available from all the states that voted. For comparison, that's less than half our net gain of 9 delegates from the District of Columbia alone. It's also less than our net gain of 8 from Nebraska, or 12 from Washington State. And it's considerably less than our net gain of 33 delegates from Georgia. The task for the Clinton campaign yesterday was clear. In order to have a plausible path to the nomination, they needed to score huge delegate victories and cut into our lead. They failed. It's clear, though, that Senator Clinton wants to continue an increasingly desperate, increasingly negative -- and increasingly expensive -- campaign to tear us down. That's her decision. But it's not stopping John McCain, who clinched the Republican nomination last night, from going on the offensive. He's already made news attacking Barack, and that will only become more frequent in the coming days. Right now, it's essential for every single supporter of Barack Obama to step up and help fight this two-front battle. In the face of attacks from Hillary Clinton and John McCain, we need to be ready to take them on. Will you make an online donation of $25 right now? https://donate.barackobama.com/math The chatter among pundits may have gotten better for the Clinton campaign after last night, but by failing to cut into our lead, the math -- and their chances of winning -- got considerably worse. Today, we still have a lead of more than 150 delegates, and there are only 611 pledged delegates left to win in the upcoming contests. By a week from today, we will have competed in Wyoming and Mississippi. Two more states and 45 more delegates will be off the table. But if Senator Clinton wants to continue this, let's show that we're ready. Make an online donation of $25 now to show you're willing to fight for this: https://donate.barackobama.com/math This nomination process is an opportunity to decide what our party needs to stand for in this election. We can either take on John McCain with a candidate who's already united Republicans and Independents against us, or we can do it with a campaign that's united Americans from all parties around a common purpose. We can debate John McCain about who can clean up Washington by nominating a candidate who's taken more money from lobbyists than he has, or we can do it with a campaign that hasn't taken a dime of their money because we've been funded by you. We can present the American people with a candidate who stood shoulder-to-shoulder with McCain on the worst foreign policy disaster of our generation, and agrees with him that George Bush deserves the benefit of the doubt on Iran, or we can nominate someone who opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning and will not support a march to war with Iran. John McCain may have a long history of straight talk and independent thinking, but he has made the decision in this campaign to offer four more years of the very same policies that have failed us for the last eight. We need a Democratic candidate who will present the starkest contrast to those failed policies of the past. And that candidate is Barack Obama. Please make a donation of $25 now: https://donate.barackobama.com/math Thank you, David David Plouffe Campaign Manager Obama for America</div> I know it's in favor of Obama, but only a gain of 4 delegates for Hillary yesterday? That wasn't the major victory that her hubby said she needed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Mar 5 2008, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Email from the Obama Campaign being circulated: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Our projections show the most likely outcome of yesterday's elections will be that Hillary Clinton gained 187 delegates, and we gained 183. That's a net gain of 4 delegates out of more than 370 delegates available from all the states that voted. For comparison, that's less than half our net gain of 9 delegates from the District of Columbia alone. It's also less than our net gain of 8 from Nebraska, or 12 from Washington State. And it's considerably less than our net gain of 33 delegates from Georgia. The task for the Clinton campaign yesterday was clear. In order to have a plausible path to the nomination, they needed to score huge delegate victories and cut into our lead. They failed. It's clear, though, that Senator Clinton wants to continue an increasingly desperate, increasingly negative -- and increasingly expensive -- campaign to tear us down. That's her decision. But it's not stopping John McCain, who clinched the Republican nomination last night, from going on the offensive. He's already made news attacking Barack, and that will only become more frequent in the coming days. Right now, it's essential for every single supporter of Barack Obama to step up and help fight this two-front battle. In the face of attacks from Hillary Clinton and John McCain, we need to be ready to take them on. Will you make an online donation of $25 right now? https://donate.barackobama.com/math The chatter among pundits may have gotten better for the Clinton campaign after last night, but by failing to cut into our lead, the math -- and their chances of winning -- got considerably worse. Today, we still have a lead of more than 150 delegates, and there are only 611 pledged delegates left to win in the upcoming contests. By a week from today, we will have competed in Wyoming and Mississippi. Two more states and 45 more delegates will be off the table. But if Senator Clinton wants to continue this, let's show that we're ready. Make an online donation of $25 now to show you're willing to fight for this: https://donate.barackobama.com/math This nomination process is an opportunity to decide what our party needs to stand for in this election. We can either take on John McCain with a candidate who's already united Republicans and Independents against us, or we can do it with a campaign that's united Americans from all parties around a common purpose. We can debate John McCain about who can clean up Washington by nominating a candidate who's taken more money from lobbyists than he has, or we can do it with a campaign that hasn't taken a dime of their money because we've been funded by you. We can present the American people with a candidate who stood shoulder-to-shoulder with McCain on the worst foreign policy disaster of our generation, and agrees with him that George Bush deserves the benefit of the doubt on Iran, or we can nominate someone who opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning and will not support a march to war with Iran. John McCain may have a long history of straight talk and independent thinking, but he has made the decision in this campaign to offer four more years of the very same policies that have failed us for the last eight. We need a Democratic candidate who will present the starkest contrast to those failed policies of the past. And that candidate is Barack Obama. Please make a donation of $25 now: https://donate.barackobama.com/math Thank you, David David Plouffe Campaign Manager Obama for America</div> I know it's in favor of Obama, but only a gain of 4 delegates for Hillary yesterday? That wasn't the major victory that her hubby said she needed. </div> What a sad "firewall" for her. I hear she might drop After April 22 at least, I can't confirm anything though.
I do expect her to win Pennsylvania, but not by a wide margin. I just don't see the point of continuing to debate the issue when I think the popular vote, the states won, and the people supporting the campaing clearly show that Obama is the favored nominee of the democratic party. Why do women have to be so ****ing stubborn?
She can't catch up using pledged delegates, but he can't win the nomination like that either. I don't necessarily think the superdelegates would go the way of the pledged delegates. What about the popular vote? She can catch up, especially if Florida is involved.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (adisodes @ Mar 5 2008, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>She can't catch up using pledged delegates, but he can't win the nomination like that either. I don't necessarily think the superdelegates would go the way of the pledged delegates. What about the popular vote? She can catch up, especially if Florida is involved.</div> Even if Florida is involved, she won't catch up. He still has a 300,000 lead in that case and Florida will be a do over anyway. A lot of the states that are coming up also look prime for Obama, like North Carolina and Mississippi. The Superdelegates that don't support going with the Nation's vote are already in her camp, the rest will mostly follow the general will.
She cut Obama's lead in NC to 5%. If she tops him in the popular vote, the will of the people would be where the superdelegates go if they endorse Clinton. Remember last time someone won an election who didn't win the popular vote? Yeah. And who was complaining and protesting in the streets? We were. Yeah....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (adisodes @ Mar 5 2008, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>She cut Obama's lead in NC to 5%. If she tops him in the popular vote, the will of the people would be where the superdelegates go if they endorse Clinton. Remember last time someone won an election who didn't win the popular vote? Yeah. And who was complaining and protesting in the streets? We were. Yeah....</div> The average poll has Obama ahead in NC by over 9 points. The thing is, it isn't just about North Carolina for Obama, and he has a 600,000 lead. Most of the states that are left favor Obama, in fact, his lead might grow or at least stay virtually the same.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (adisodes @ Mar 5 2008, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>She can't catch up using pledged delegates, but he can't win the nomination like that either. I don't necessarily think the superdelegates would go the way of the pledged delegates. What about the popular vote? She can catch up, especially if Florida is involved.</div> These guys are acting like Obama is mathematically able to get enough delgates before the convention. He can't. Neither can Hillary, but what is certain is that if they both stay in the race, it'll have to be decided at the convention. I think the woman is vile and awful and would hate to see her get the nomination, FWIW. If it goes to the convention, after the first ballot and no winner, all the delegates can vote how they choose in the second round of voting. Typically, delgates have stuck with their candidate for the most part, tho. Edwards has influence over 200+ delegates that could help sway things. Both candidates have to make a similar case at the convention. "I won the popular vote." Or "I won more delgates." Or both. Hillary is likely to argue she's won all the really big states that matter in the general election (NY, California, Florida, etc.) and if she wins most of the remaining primaries even by a little bit, she could argue she's got the momentum, too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Mar 5 2008, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (adisodes @ Mar 5 2008, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>She cut Obama's lead in NC to 5%. If she tops him in the popular vote, the will of the people would be where the superdelegates go if they endorse Clinton. Remember last time someone won an election who didn't win the popular vote? Yeah. And who was complaining and protesting in the streets? We were. Yeah....</div> The average poll has Obama ahead in NC by over 9 points. The thing is, it isn't just about North Carolina for Obama, and he has a 600,000 lead. Most of the states that are left favor Obama, in fact, his lead might grow or at least stay virtually the same. </div> I assume your citing this. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/20...rimary-275.html Those polls were done almost a month ago. They are barely even valid anymore. So much has changed in the race since. It's a 4 point lead and I'm sure we'll get more polls in the next day or two. I'm not saying she'll win North Carolina, but it's going to be close citing her momentum.
Hillary is all done, IMO. As stated, she has to carry the next 10 states 70-30 to catch up. And if they do decide to bring in Florida and Michigan, they will be redone, and probably in caucus form, which favors Obama (Has he lost a caucus yet?). Also, even if Hillary wins them again, her margin of victory there will go way down with only her and Obama on the ballot. That leaves the superdelegates as Hillary's only shot. If they choose to go against the people, then I and many many other Democrats will either support McCain or boycott the general election altogether. Hopefully they know that they'll be handing over the election to the Republicans if they do disregard the votes from the people and choose Hillary for political reasons.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thrilla @ Mar 5 2008, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hillary is all done, IMO. As stated, she has to carry the next 10 states 70-30 to catch up. And if they do decide to bring in Florida and Michigan, they will be redone, and probably in caucus form, which favors Obama (Has he lost a caucus yet?). Also, even if Hillary wins them again, her margin of victory there will go way down with only her and Obama on the ballot. That leaves the superdelegates as Hillary's only shot. If they choose to go against the people, then I and many many other Democrats will either support McCain or boycott the general election altogether. Hopefully they know that they'll be handing over the election to the Republicans if they do disregard the votes from the people and choose Hillary for political reasons.</div> She won the Nevada caucus. But I didn't read anything that said the Florida and Michigan do-overs would be caucuses. I saw the Florida Governor on TV earlier say it would be a primary. She needs more than 70-30 to win the nomination based on pledged delegates alone, but so does Obama. She has a decent chance of catching up on the popular vote and then it's the superdelegates turn to figure this mess out. I don't think a lot of democrats would boycott the election if what you said happens. A majority of both Obama and Clinton supporters said they would gladly support the other candidate if their choice didn't win.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (adisodes @ Mar 5 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thrilla @ Mar 5 2008, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hillary is all done, IMO. As stated, she has to carry the next 10 states 70-30 to catch up. And if they do decide to bring in Florida and Michigan, they will be redone, and probably in caucus form, which favors Obama (Has he lost a caucus yet?). Also, even if Hillary wins them again, her margin of victory there will go way down with only her and Obama on the ballot. That leaves the superdelegates as Hillary's only shot. If they choose to go against the people, then I and many many other Democrats will either support McCain or boycott the general election altogether. Hopefully they know that they'll be handing over the election to the Republicans if they do disregard the votes from the people and choose Hillary for political reasons.</div> She won the Nevada caucus. But I didn't read anything that said the Florida and Michigan do-overs would be caucuses. I saw the Florida Governor on TV earlier say it would be a primary. She needs more than 70-30 to win the nomination based on pledged delegates alone, but so does Obama. She has a decent chance of catching up on the popular vote and then it's the superdelegates turn to figure this mess out. I don't think a lot of democrats would boycott the election if what you said happens. A majority of both Obama and Clinton supporters said they would gladly support the other candidate if their choice didn't win. </div> How does she have a decent chance of catching Obama in the popular vote? His lead might even grow. It's all a longshot at best.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/tally.phtml Popular vote to date: Clinton: 13,443,022 47.28% Obama: 13,422,992 47.21% What do you know?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Mar 5 2008, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/tally.phtml Popular vote to date: Clinton: 13,443,022 47.28% Obama: 13,422,992 47.21% What do you know?</div> What is this bullshit? http://realclearpolitics.com/ Obama has a 600,000 lead. 300,000 with Florida. Stop wasting my time.
RealClearPolitics? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/20...vote_count.html Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)* - - Obama 13,566,066 Clintlon 13,602,469
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Mar 5 2008, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>RealClearPolitics? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/20...vote_count.html Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)* - - Obama 13,566,066 Clintlon 13,602,469</div> I didn't know you had special access to information that said Michigan would count. What do you know?
They did vote in Michigan, and they did count the votes. Why count any state she got votes in, by your logic?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Mar 5 2008, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They did vote in Michigan, and they did count the votes. Why count any state she got votes in, by your logic?</div> You know why.
Yeah, if I was living in Michigan, I would want my vote to count. (and I would be pissed if it didn't) Face it huevonkiller, Clinton is the better choice and the people want her to be the Democrat nominee. Of course she'll lose when she faces McCain, since I'll be voting for him , but the idea is to put two of the best candidates to run for the president. Obama is neither.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Mar 5 2008, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, if I was living in Michigan, I would want my vote to count. (and I would be pissed if it didn't) Face it huevonkiller, Clinton is the better choice and the people want her to be the Democrat nominee. Of course she'll lose when she faces McCain, since I'll be voting for him , but the idea is to put two of the best candidates to run for the president. Obama is neither.</div> Her name was the only one on the ballot in Michigan. Did you even know that? No shit she'll have more votes then Obama then. Are we having Cuban-style primaries? Lol wtf man. She probably wouldn't even win 50-33 again either.
