I wasn't a huge Byron fan, but his ability to delegate may have been a strength because he assembled a staff where each member made a valuable contribution. Eddie Jordan was about the offense, Frank was a good scout of the opposition and defense oriented, Byron brought in the track guy to help them learn how to get out on the break faster, and I'm not sure what O'Koren's strengths were. So what are Cartwright and Hill's strengths? I know Cartwright works with the bigs (lot of good that's been ). I know Thate sucks as a shooting coach. What else? I'm concerned because I'm starting to think Frank doesn't know how to impliment a style of play. He's very smart and great at taking a team that has one in place and maximizing it, but once there is turnover in players and staff he doesn't know how to create something that is his and get everyone to succeed in it. I'm not overly familiar with all the assistants and what they do, but they should be a big part of the identity you are trying to achieve as a team. So I'm curious about what people know about these guys.
Hill's job is to be a veteran presence on the bench. The guy Frank can lean on for advice. My take is that with Frank's obsessive nature, he has over-worked himself in trying to prepare game plans that incorporate all of these mis-matched parts. Frank was at his best when it was Kidd, Vince, Twin, Krstic and a bunch of scrubs. Back to your question, I want to see an "offensive coordinator" added to the coaching staff.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 12 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hill's job is to be a veteran presence on the bench. The guy Frank can lean on for advice. My take is that with Frank's obsessive nature, he has over-worked himself in trying to prepare game plans that incorporate all of these mis-matched parts. Frank was at his best when it was Kidd, Vince, Twin, Krstic and a bunch of scrubs. Back to your question, I want to see an "offensive coordinator" added to the coaching staff.</div> Just the person I was hoping would respond. What does Hill bring to the table (other than veteran presence)? What was he known for as coach of the Magic? And Cartwright too? I don't think the sum of these coaches brings anything to lend to the team identity and I actually wonder if their individual strengths are counteractive to that process.
What are the Nets assistant coaches known for? Getting fired from their jobs as head coach (Bill and Hill) and looking like a serial killer during the halftime interviews (Barrise). In all seriousness though, we really had a good thing going with those finals teams. You had Frank focusing on what he's actually good at (defense/preparation) and staying far away from what he sucks at (offense/everything else), Eddie taking care of the offense, and Scott, an actual player who has actual NBA experience, with 3 rings on probably the best fast break team ever as the motivator/player-caller-outer/face of it all. Really worked out well... for a while, at least.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 12 2008, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 12 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hill's job is to be a veteran presence on the bench. The guy Frank can lean on for advice. My take is that with Frank's obsessive nature, he has over-worked himself in trying to prepare game plans that incorporate all of these mis-matched parts. Frank was at his best when it was Kidd, Vince, Twin, Krstic and a bunch of scrubs. Back to your question, I want to see an "offensive coordinator" added to the coaching staff.</div> Just the person I was hoping would respond. What does Hill bring to the table (other than veteran presence)? What was he known for as coach of the Magic? And Cartwright too? I don't think the sum of these coaches brings anything to lend to the team identity and I actually wonder if their individual strengths are counteractive to that process. </div> I never found Hill to be a good head coach, but there was a definite drop off in little things for the Nets when he left for Orlando. I don't that he is good at any one part of the game, but he does understand what needs to be done and that is an important thing to have on the staff. I'm not a Cartwright fan. I'd rather have someone like Moses Malone teach the big men. As for team identity, this is a team in the middle of a major roster transition, so I don't see any chance of having an identity other than "rebuilding team." This team will be a major challenge for Frank, because he'll overplay players to attempt to win games and this team needs to be focused on player development and player evaluation. I don't care how many games the Nets win the rest of this season or any of next season. I want to see young players getting enough rope to hang themselves.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (unstop @ Mar 12 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What are the Nets assistant coaches known for? Getting fired from their jobs as head coach (Bill and Hill) and looking like a serial killer during the halftime interviews (Barrise). In all seriousness though, we really had a good thing going with those finals teams. You had Frank focusing on what he's actually good at (defense/preparation) and staying far away from what he sucks at (offense/everything else), Eddie taking care of the offense, and Scott, an actual player who has actual NBA experience, with 3 rings on probably the best fast break team ever as the motivator/player-caller-outer/face of it all. Really worked out well... for a while, at least.</div> dont forget o'koren
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 12 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for team identity, this is a team in the middle of a major roster transition, so I don't see any chance of having an identity other than "rebuilding team." This team will be a major challenge for Frank, because he'll overplay players to attempt to win games and this team needs to be focused on player development and player evaluation. I don't care how many games the Nets win the rest of this season or any of next season. I want to see young players getting enough rope to hang themselves.</div> Yeah, I'm not concerned with identity this season, but concerned with identity for next season and whether or not this staff has the ability to build it from scratch. And I agree with the fact that this group needs to help management figure out what they have personnel wise inorder to figure out their moves this summer.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 12 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 12 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for team identity, this is a team in the middle of a major roster transition, so I don't see any chance of having an identity other than "rebuilding team." This team will be a major challenge for Frank, because he'll overplay players to attempt to win games and this team needs to be focused on player development and player evaluation. I don't care how many games the Nets win the rest of this season or any of next season. I want to see young players getting enough rope to hang themselves.</div> Yeah, I'm not concerned with identity this season, but concerned with identity for next season and whether or not this staff has the ability to build it from scratch. And I agree with the fact that this group needs to help management figure out what they have personnel wise inorder to figure out their moves this summer. </div> I don't see it being about this summer at all. The focus of the summer should be to move Vince and RJ and see how much someone will overpay for Devin. The rest of the kids should be kept along with the new draft picks. Summer 2009 should be about consolidating into a direction.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 12 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 12 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 12 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for team identity, this is a team in the middle of a major roster transition, so I don't see any chance of having an identity other than "rebuilding team." This team will be a major challenge for Frank, because he'll overplay players to attempt to win games and this team needs to be focused on player development and player evaluation. I don't care how many games the Nets win the rest of this season or any of next season. I want to see young players getting enough rope to hang themselves.</div> Yeah, I'm not concerned with identity this season, but concerned with identity for next season and whether or not this staff has the ability to build it from scratch. And I agree with the fact that this group needs to help management figure out what they have personnel wise inorder to figure out their moves this summer. </div> I don't see it being about this summer at all. The focus of the summer should be to move Vince and RJ and see how much someone will overpay for Devin. The rest of the kids should be kept along with the new draft picks. Summer 2009 should be about consolidating into a direction. </div> Why wait till summer 2009 to pick a direction if they did what you suggest and move those players this summer? Sounds like that's the prime time to start implimenting a direction. Unless you think they will be getting back only expiring deals that they need to get rid of before they get the right personnel? I would hope they would get back some live bodies that will be part of the foundation especially since trades are Thorn's strong suit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 12 2008, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 12 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 12 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 12 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for team identity, this is a team in the middle of a major roster transition, so I don't see any chance of having an identity other than "rebuilding team." This team will be a major challenge for Frank, because he'll overplay players to attempt to win games and this team needs to be focused on player development and player evaluation. I don't care how many games the Nets win the rest of this season or any of next season. I want to see young players getting enough rope to hang themselves.</div> Yeah, I'm not concerned with identity this season, but concerned with identity for next season and whether or not this staff has the ability to build it from scratch. And I agree with the fact that this group needs to help management figure out what they have personnel wise inorder to figure out their moves this summer. </div> I don't see it being about this summer at all. The focus of the summer should be to move Vince and RJ and see how much someone will overpay for Devin. The rest of the kids should be kept along with the new draft picks. Summer 2009 should be about consolidating into a direction. </div> Why wait till summer 2009 to pick a direction if they did what you suggest and move those players this summer? Sounds like that's the prime time to start implimenting a direction. Unless you think they will be getting back only expiring deals that they need to get rid of before they get the right personnel? I would hope they would get back some live bodies that will be part of the foundation especially since trades are Thorn's strong suit. </div> Live bodies would be great, but considering the amount and length of salary owed, I'm not holding my breath. Shorter contracts, expiring contracts and future picks are fine with me. The other reason for waiting until 2009 is to see who the Nets get in the 2009 lottery. Lottery picks in 2008 and 2009 should set the direction of the team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 12 2008, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Live bodies would be great, but considering the amount and length of salary owed, I'm not holding my breath. Shorter contracts, expiring contracts and future picks are fine with me. The other reason for waiting until 2009 is to see who the Nets get in the 2009 lottery. Lottery picks in 2008 and 2009 should set the direction of the team.</div> If they got rid of the 3 you mentioned they should get live quality bodies for Jefferson and Harris, especially Harris since his contract is pretty reasonable. I'd hope they and the players that are kept and the ones drafted this summer would have some direction over the next year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 12 2008, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 12 2008, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Live bodies would be great, but considering the amount and length of salary owed, I'm not holding my breath. Shorter contracts, expiring contracts and future picks are fine with me. The other reason for waiting until 2009 is to see who the Nets get in the 2009 lottery. Lottery picks in 2008 and 2009 should set the direction of the team.</div> If they got rid of the 3 you mentioned they should get live quality bodies for Jefferson and Harris, especially Harris since his contract is pretty reasonable. </div> Yes, if Harris goes, there would have to be quality coming back, but we are talking about Thorn trading someone at peak value so it is very unlikely. I doubt RJ gets anything more than complimentary pieces, so setting the direction doesn't rely upon guys like that.
