<u>If</u> a trade between KC & Miami goes down; Will Carl Peterson try & yank Parcells around like he tried to do with Saban & Mueller/Cameron like he did in the deals for Surtain & T. Green, respectively?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Mar 25 2008, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><u>If</u> a trade between KC & Miami goes down; Will Carl Peterson try & yank Parcells around like he tried to do with Saban & Mueller/Cameron like he did in the deals for Surtain & T. Green, respectively?</div> Will he try? Yes, but I think BP's response will be, "We're not falling for the banana in the tailpipe again."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Mar 26 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Mar 25 2008, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><u>If</u> a trade between KC & Miami goes down; Will Carl Peterson try & yank Parcells around like he tried to do with Saban & Mueller/Cameron like he did in the deals for Surtain & T. Green, respectively?</div> Will he try? Yes, but I think BP's response will be, "We're not falling for the banana in the tailpipe again." </div> Considering that Nick & Cam didn't; CP must think the phins are still run by Vanilla Dave & the other Spielman
If multiple teams want to come to #1 for Ryan or any other player, Parcells has all the leverage, he controls the slotting....when KC was screwing with Miami, they had the leverage, they controled the player....in both cases, the team with leverage can just sit back and stay where they are and be fine....I do think that pick gets traded before draft day, but if it doesnt, I feel good that Parcells will make a smart selection....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Mar 26 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If multiple teams want to come to #1 for Ryan or any other player, Parcells has all the leverage, he controls the slotting....when KC was screwing with Miami, they had the leverage, they controled the player....in both cases, the team with leverage can just sit back and stay where they are and be fine....I do think that pick gets traded before draft day, but if it doesnt, I feel good that Parcells will make a smart selection....</div> Chiefs had some leverage w/ Trent but Saban IMO held the cards when it came to the Surtain trade.
# 1999 - Dan Marino and Damon Huard # 2000-2001 - Jay Fiedler # 2002 - Jay Fiedler and Ray Lucas # 2003 - Jay Fiedler and Brian Griese # 2004 - Jay Fiedler, A.J. Feeley and Sage Rosenfels # 2005 - Gus Frerotte and Sage Rosenfels # 2006 - Daunte Culpepper, Joey Harrington and Cleo Lemon # 2007 - Trent Green, Cleo Lemon and John Beck # 2008 - Matt Ryan
see post #11 J Taylor to the Vikes? I'd rather Parcells & co take a chance on Sam Baker (USC) or Greco from Toledo.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Mar 27 2008, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'># 1999 - Dan Marino and Damon Huard # 2000-2001 - Jay Fiedler # 2002 - Jay Fiedler and Ray Lucas # 2003 - Jay Fiedler and Brian Griese # 2004 - Jay Fiedler, A.J. Feeley and Sage Rosenfels # 2005 - Gus Frerotte and Sage Rosenfels # 2006 - Daunte Culpepper, Joey Harrington and Cleo Lemon # 2007 - Trent Green, Cleo Lemon and John Beck # 2008 - Matt Ryan</div> What a painful stroll down memory lane! Thanks, ROTR! Seriously, no Matt Ryan. If Cameron did nothing else, he got the phins QB of the future last yr. Beck outplayed Ryan when BYU and BC played last season or the one before.
Phins workout Brohm I have seen some mocks where Brohm falls to the 2nd round. BB would be better IMO than Ryan. Ryan would be ideal in Kansas City running their version of the West Coast Offense & an upgrade over Croyle & Huard.
This season, the comparison between Beck and Ryan has begun. Matt Ryan is going to be snatched up by a team that is probably not much better than Miami, if Miami doesn't grab him outright. Lets say Matt Ryan's new team is not the phins, but one of the top 5 selections. Lets see where the two quarterbacks sit statistically by week 8. Want to place any wagers on who will look better come week 8? I think then we can get an idea if Miami made a mistake or not.
If people still believe McFadden to Dallas is going to happen....well, I guess it just goes to show you that you can't fix stupid. I mean, really, all it takes is a couple of minutes worth of research to debunk the myth, yet still, idiots at ESPN and elsewhere think its a legit possibility. What we know: Jones has gone on and on about finding a veteran WR. He has said numerous times he wants to add more weapons for Romo. He has said he wants to find another dynamic playmaker opposite Owens. He doesn't think moving into the top 5 is worth is (cost wise in terms of money and picks) and that having two 1st rounders allows him to use one to go after said veteran WR. Huh. Sounds exactly like he wants McFadden. If any trade gets done on draft day, it will be for a veteran WR. Jones has made that clear time and time again. Yet, simple minded people think McFadden is still in the works. Which, of course, explains why Stephen Jones has said one of the top priorities of the offseason is to lock up Barber long term. Because we want to pay 2 RBs a lot of money. As for the PacMan rumors, much to my dismay, it sounds as if things have stalled.
Vintage I don't know how much you keep up with the Dallas rumors, but the recent one is #28 for Roy Williams (WR, Lions). Him or Boldin (Cardinals) could be possibilities on draft day.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 2 2008, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If people still believe McFadden to Dallas is going to happen....well, I guess it just goes to show you that you can't fix stupid.</div> If you think Jones, or any other team official with any team in the NFL is telling the truth right now, well....you said it best, you can't fix stupid
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Apr 2 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 2 2008, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If people still believe McFadden to Dallas is going to happen....well, I guess it just goes to show you that you can't fix stupid.</div> If you think Jones, or any other team official with any team in the NFL is telling the truth right now, well....you said it best, you can't fix stupid </div> Let's see. Jones said before the offseason really began that he wanted to add a wow player offensively and give Romo some weapons. Then, per reports from our organization, we had Javon Walker all but signed but Oakland came along and upped the offer considerably. Huh. Ol' Jerruh sure must have been lying. Last year, Jerry talked about the possibility of trading up for a wow player. And by all accounts, we explored trade up possibilities, but found the price too steep. Jerry has talked consistently of one thing the offseason: of adding a veteran WR. And by all accounts, Dallas has been exploring possibilities concerning Chad Johnson, Roy Williams, and Anquan Boldin. Jerry isn't sending mixed signals on this: he really wants a veteran WR. And really, all it takes is a couple of minutes of researching to find out this information. Everything he has said this offseason points in a direction, and it aint McFadden's direction. McFadden will NOT be a Cowboy. But believe what you want to believe. Fortunately for me, I can fix stupid on this issue eventually. Proof will come draft day. I just can't fix you before then. I guess I will have to practice patience.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Apr 2 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vintage I don't know how much you keep up with the Dallas rumors, but the recent one is #28 for Roy Williams (WR, Lions). Him or Boldin (Cardinals) could be possibilities on draft day.</div> I keep up on this stuff pretty well. Supposedly, Jones and the Millen were talking at the owner's meeting. I know Marinelli has once again said Roy Williams is not being traded, but is Detroit really going to extend Roy Williams and pay two WRs that coin? Especially when they have problems on defense and the OL? I talked to someone yesterday who has some inside information on the deal and said a deal concerning Roy Williams has about a 90% chance of happening. Of course, he is a blatant optimist, so that number is probably inflated, but take it for what its worth. If you don't believe me, fine. I am not here to justify him nor will I. But we are actively pursuing it, and that's the most important thing to take from it. I think it was Peter King who said recently that Boldin stood the better chance of being traded to Dallas. I would be stoked with either Boldin or Williams. Chad Johnson won't be traded. The cap hit for the Bengals is too high.
McFadden to Dallas in 2008. Jerry Jones will be making a phone call to Al Davis on the 4th overall pick. Jones will trade away Marion Barber, this year's, and next year's 1st rounders..
Vintage, glad to see you around. It seems like forever since I've seen you tossing out that extra bit of Cowboys information you always get.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 3 2008, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vintage, glad to see you around. It seems like forever since I've seen you tossing out that extra bit of Cowboys information you always get.</div> Glad to see you too, ol' buddy. To be fair though, I don't actually have the sources. But I do know a couple of people who gets nuggets of information from their sources.... I merely just pass it along. And this guy has been right several times, so I trust him. Whether or not it comes to fruition is another thing, but I think its pretty valid Dallas is actively pursuing a veteran WR such as Roy Williams.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it was Peter King who said recently that Boldin stood the better chance of being traded to Dallas. I would be stoked with either Boldin or Williams. Chad Johnson won't be traded. The cap hit for the Bengals is too high.</div> What is Dallas expected to compensate Arizona with for Boldin? That *can't* be cheap for the Cowboys. In fact, it's probably going to be like trading for Johnson. Roy Williams seems a lot more likely to go through. Why is a potential cap hit going to be a sticking point? They can work a trade that calls for him to restructure his contract. This happens all the time. Randy Moss is a better WR than Johnson, yet he was willing to restructure his to move to NE last year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>McFadden to Dallas in 2008. Jerry Jones will be making a phone call to Al Davis on the 4th overall pick. Jones will trade away Marion Barber, this year's, and next year's 1st rounders..</div> Jerry has already said that the cost of trading up into the top 5 is too much. If there was no salary cap, this trade idea would have legs behind it. But doing such a trade makes no sense, especially considering Dallas will enter contract negotiations with Newman soon (speculating) and Ware (as has been reported), Barber needing a long term deal, Canty needing a long term deal, and Hamlin being rumored to be in contract extensions (per the Dallas beat writers). That is going to suck up a lot of cap space. How are we going to afford that, plus McFadden? Dallas won't risk losing Newman and Ware over McFadden. And given how hard the search has been for a competent FS, I think Hamlin's deal will get done too. We probably are going to let Colombo walk next year to make all of this work as is... care to explain how we are going to make McFadden work too?
