<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it was Peter King who said recently that Boldin stood the better chance of being traded to Dallas. I would be stoked with either Boldin or Williams. Chad Johnson won't be traded. The cap hit for the Bengals is too high.</div> What is Dallas expected to compensate Arizona with for Boldin? That *can't* be cheap for the Cowboys. In fact, it's probably going to be like trading for Johnson. Roy Williams seems a lot more likely to go through. Why is a potential cap hit going to be a sticking point? They can work a trade that calls for him to restructure his contract. This happens all the time. Randy Moss is a better WR than Johnson, yet he was willing to restructure his to move to NE last year. </div> Has Johnson said anything about a possible restructure? I haven't followed the Chad Johnson stuff as much because I don't think we are serious players in that market. Boldin's contract is actually pretty cheap from what I recall. Don't know how accurate it is, but I thought I read where his cap hit for the upcoming year is somewhere in the 4-5M range. Roy certainly makes more sense and if anything gets done, I think it will be for Roy. The Boldin stuff came from Peter King (I think it was King, anyway).... I don't know how accurate or plausible the Boldin rumors are.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How are we going to afford that, plus McFadden? Dallas won't risk losing Newman and Ware over McFadden. And given how hard the search has been for a competent FS, I think Hamlin's deal will get done too. We probably are going to let Colombo walk next year to make all of this work as is... care to explain how we are going to make McFadden work too?</div> I already did. I told you they would have to give up draft picks for him. By not drafting those picks that you trade away, you save on salary costs. Also, I mentioned throwing one of your players into that trade. This is not as far fetched as you make it out to be (in reality).
The only way I see the McFadden rumors even come close to being reality is IF the PacMan trade happens (which means Dallas can look for a CB in the 2-4 rounds as opposed to being a 1st round priority). And then, McFadden needs to fall out of the top 5, which is a possibility. And then, any trade for a veteran WR is nixed by Detroit, Arizona, Cincinnati, anyone else....etc. But if Dallas cannot get PacMan, CB becomes a 1st round priority most likely. And then, I still expect Dallas to part ways with their other 1st for a vet WR (or try to, more so than trying for McFadden). Everyone is hanging onto the nugget of Stephen Jones saying "Dad, that could be McFadden" last year when they made the trade with Cleveland. Or the Arkansas-Jerry connection, but Jerry has never drafted an Arkansas player before. Everything Dallas has done this off-season suggests otherwise.... that if a trade is to happen, its for a WR, not trading up for a RB
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Johnson said anything about a possible restructure? I haven't followed the Chad Johnson stuff as much because I don't think we are serious players in that market.</div> No, he hasn't. That would be stupid of him to do that *publicly* (so that you and I hear about it), so I would never expect to hear that while he is negotiating his future right now. I was merely looking at how the trade is not completely out of the question.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The only way I see the McFadden rumors even come close to being reality is IF the PacMan trade happens (which means Dallas can look for a CB in the 2-4 rounds as opposed to being a 1st round priority). And then, McFadden needs to fall out of the top 5, which is a possibility. And then, any trade for a veteran WR is nixed by Detroit, Arizona, Cincinnati, anyone else....etc. But if Dallas cannot get PacMan, CB becomes a 1st round priority most likely. And then, I still expect Dallas to part ways with their other 1st for a vet WR (or try to, more so than trying for McFadden). Everyone is hanging onto the nugget of Stephen Jones saying "Dad, that could be McFadden" last year when they made the trade with Cleveland. Or the Arkansas-Jerry connection, but Jerry has never drafted an Arkansas player before. Everything Dallas has done this off-season suggests otherwise.... that if a trade is to happen, its for a WR, not trading up for a RB</div> They should make the trade for McFadden. They can get Roy Williams too if they wanted. Dallas is in great shape right now to make a long run in the post season. They can afford to lose draft picks in order to win *right now* while they have a complete team. Waiting around and splitting hairs about this or that means TO and others will move on - and back to mediocrity.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How are we going to afford that, plus McFadden? Dallas won't risk losing Newman and Ware over McFadden. And given how hard the search has been for a competent FS, I think Hamlin's deal will get done too. We probably are going to let Colombo walk next year to make all of this work as is... care to explain how we are going to make McFadden work too?</div> I already did. I told you they would have to give up draft picks for him. By not drafting those picks that you trade away, you save on salary costs. Also, I mentioned throwing one of your players into that trade. This is not as far fetched as you make it out to be (in reality). </div> This is what we know: Jerry tried to sign Javon Walker and almost had a deal done before Oakland came in and offered him the sun, stars, and heaven. Jerry went to the owners meeting and talked with Detroit management. Its been widely reported that Dallas is openly pursuing a veteran WR. Jones came out and said, essentially, that the 2nd 1st round pick he'd be willing to part with for a veteran WR. Jones has gone on and one about adding another weapon for Romo to get the ball too. He finally found his QB; and now he wants him to have the weapons he needs. EVERYTHING Jerry has talked about, attempted to get, and is currently doing, is looking for a WR. NOT trading up for McFadden. Jerry's not trying to deceive anyone. He's trying to accomplish exactly what he is telling everyone. That he wants another WR. And this has been widely reported by league insiders as well....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The only way I see the McFadden rumors even come close to being reality is IF the PacMan trade happens (which means Dallas can look for a CB in the 2-4 rounds as opposed to being a 1st round priority). And then, McFadden needs to fall out of the top 5, which is a possibility. And then, any trade for a veteran WR is nixed by Detroit, Arizona, Cincinnati, anyone else....etc. But if Dallas cannot get PacMan, CB becomes a 1st round priority most likely. And then, I still expect Dallas to part ways with their other 1st for a vet WR (or try to, more so than trying for McFadden). Everyone is hanging onto the nugget of Stephen Jones saying "Dad, that could be McFadden" last year when they made the trade with Cleveland. Or the Arkansas-Jerry connection, but Jerry has never drafted an Arkansas player before. Everything Dallas has done this off-season suggests otherwise.... that if a trade is to happen, its for a WR, not trading up for a RB</div> They should make the trade for McFadden. They can get Roy Williams too if they wanted. Dallas is in great shape right now to make a long run in the post season. They can afford to lose draft picks in order to win *right now* while they have a complete team. Waiting around and splitting hairs about this or that means TO and others will move on - and back to mediocrity. </div> The reason Detroit might move Roy Williams is because they have holes everywhere, on defense, on the OL, QB, and they aren't really in a position to where they can afford to pay Johnson and Williams (who needs an extension) when they have so many holes. Dallas can. But our cap space is getting smaller too. Williams is looking at a contract that is somewhere in the neighborhood of 8M annually. It is going to be cheaper for Dallas to trade for Williams and resign Barber and draft a complimentary RB than it would be to trade for Williams, trade up for McFadden, and then go out and get a complimentary RB. Jerry has already said he is not willing to move up into the top 5 and risk all of that money on an unproven player. It would cripple us if McFadden didn't turn out to be a star. We know what we have in Barber. McFadden certainly has more potential, but its not a forgone conclusion that he is a star in the NFL. If we were a struggling team, risking for McFadden might make more sense. But as close as we are, trading the farm for McFadden doesn't make sense. Especially when it could hamper our ability to resign some of our own guys in the near future (which, if anyone has been following the past couple of years, Jerry has stressed this as the most important thing).
We need a WR, not McFadden. He will cost us way to much to trade up for, so I don't think it's worth it. There has been some problems with PacMan about bonus money and that Dallas doesn't want to give up draft picks for him. I'll update as this goes along.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 3 2008, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We need a WR, not McFadden. He will cost us way to much to trade up for, so I don't think it's worth it. There has been some problems with PacMan about bonus money and that Dallas doesn't want to give up draft picks for him. I'll update as this goes along.</div> 1 hour, 43 minutes ago CINCINNATI - The Cincinnati Bengals decided they've had enough of Chris Henry's legal problems, cutting the wide receiver after his fifth arrest since 2005.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jerry has already said he is not willing to move up into the top 5 and risk all of that money on an unproven player. It would cripple us if McFadden didn't turn out to be a star. We know what we have in Barber. McFadden certainly has more potential, but its not a forgone conclusion that he is a star in the NFL. If we were a struggling team, risking for McFadden might make more sense. But as close as we are, trading the farm for McFadden doesn't make sense. Especially when it could hamper our ability to resign some of our own guys in the near future (which, if anyone has been following the past couple of years, Jerry has stressed this as the most important thing).</div> The future for Dallas is right now. There is no reason for Jerry to be chicken-shit about loading up his roster. Screw the draft picks, use them to win right now. There is no next season. McFadden instantly upgrades the running game. The passing game really isn't in that bad of shape to begin with. You know what you have in Barber, and you know that he is not the answer. What makes sense is winning the freaking superbowl. You already have a team built to go far. If you want an example, just look at what adding Randy Moss did for New England last year. Upgrade the running game, you already have downfield threats in the passing game. Your GM will figure out how to fit in all of this year's contracts. Don't worry about it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Johnson said anything about a possible restructure? I haven't followed the Chad Johnson stuff as much because I don't think we are serious players in that market.</div> No, he hasn't. That would be stupid of him to do that *publicly* (so that you and I hear about it), so I would never expect to hear that while he is negotiating his future right now. I was merely looking at how the trade is not completely out of the question. </div> Even if Chad restructures his deal, there is still going to be big cap hit for the Bengals because of the bonus money he has already been paid. You are also talking about making a deal with Mike Brown for a player he personally likes. Not really a practical situation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 3 2008, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We need a WR, not McFadden. He will cost us way to much to trade up for, so I don't think it's worth it. There has been some problems with PacMan about bonus money and that Dallas doesn't want to give up draft picks for him. I'll update as this goes along.</div> 1 hour, 43 minutes ago CINCINNATI - The Cincinnati Bengals decided they've had enough of Chris Henry's legal problems, cutting the wide receiver after his fifth arrest since 2005. </div> I doubt Chris Henry is allowed back in the NFL by Goodell after this incident.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jerry has already said he is not willing to move up into the top 5 and risk all of that money on an unproven player. It would cripple us if McFadden didn't turn out to be a star. We know what we have in Barber. McFadden certainly has more potential, but its not a forgone conclusion that he is a star in the NFL. If we were a struggling team, risking for McFadden might make more sense. But as close as we are, trading the farm for McFadden doesn't make sense. Especially when it could hamper our ability to resign some of our own guys in the near future (which, if anyone has been following the past couple of years, Jerry has stressed this as the most important thing).</div> The future for Dallas is right now. There is no reason for Jerry to be chicken-shit about loading up his roster. Screw the draft picks, use them to win right now. There is no next season. McFadden instantly upgrades the running game. The passing game really isn't in that bad of shape to begin with. You know what you have in Barber, and you know that he is not the answer. What makes sense is winning the freaking superbowl. You already have a team built to go far. If you want an example, just look at what adding Randy Moss did for New England last year. Upgrade the running game, you already have downfield threats in the passing game. Your GM will figure out how to fit in all of this year's contracts. Don't worry about it. </div> McFadden isn't good enough to bump the Cowboys that much.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 3 2008, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 3 2008, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We need a WR, not McFadden. He will cost us way to much to trade up for, so I don't think it's worth it. There has been some problems with PacMan about bonus money and that Dallas doesn't want to give up draft picks for him. I'll update as this goes along.</div> 1 hour, 43 minutes ago CINCINNATI - The Cincinnati Bengals decided they've had enough of Chris Henry's legal problems, cutting the wide receiver after his fifth arrest since 2005. </div> I doubt Chris Henry is allowed back in the NFL by Goodell after this incident. </div> You suspect that he will get the "You should not worry about reporting for training camp..." comment that he made to Mike Vick last year?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 3 2008, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>McFadden isn't good enough to bump the Cowboys that much.</div> Aha! This plants the seed for a thread later in the season about McFadden vs. Barber. Lets compare them by week 8.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 3 2008, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 3 2008, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We need a WR, not McFadden. He will cost us way to much to trade up for, so I don't think it's worth it. There has been some problems with PacMan about bonus money and that Dallas doesn't want to give up draft picks for him. I'll update as this goes along.</div> 1 hour, 43 minutes ago CINCINNATI - The Cincinnati Bengals decided they've had enough of Chris Henry's legal problems, cutting the wide receiver after his fifth arrest since 2005. </div> I doubt Chris Henry is allowed back in the NFL by Goodell after this incident. </div> You suspect that he will get the "You should not worry about reporting for training camp..." comment that he made to Mike Vick last year? </div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Assault and criminal damaging charges have been filed against Bengals wide receiver Chris Henry. Court documents say the victim and eyewitnesses identified Henry. The victim says Henry punched him in the head causing a visible injury and threw a beer bottle at his car, breaking the right rear passenger's window. It happened Monday outside an apartment building on Ohio Avenue in Clifton Heights.</div> Henry was in an area where he shouldn't have been and he beat the shit out of someone.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 3 2008, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Johnson said anything about a possible restructure? I haven't followed the Chad Johnson stuff as much because I don't think we are serious players in that market.</div> No, he hasn't. That would be stupid of him to do that *publicly* (so that you and I hear about it), so I would never expect to hear that while he is negotiating his future right now. I was merely looking at how the trade is not completely out of the question. </div> Even if Chad restructures his deal, there is still going to be big cap hit for the Bengals because of the bonus money he has already been paid. You are also talking about making a deal with Mike Brown for a player he personally likes. Not really a practical situation. </div> Mike Brown cannot be pleased with Johnson at this point. He's looking at the beginning of what could very well be another TO vs. the Eagles situation. I can't see Chad playing another game in Cincinnati after all that has been said.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 3 2008, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has Johnson said anything about a possible restructure? I haven't followed the Chad Johnson stuff as much because I don't think we are serious players in that market.</div> No, he hasn't. That would be stupid of him to do that *publicly* (so that you and I hear about it), so I would never expect to hear that while he is negotiating his future right now. I was merely looking at how the trade is not completely out of the question. </div> Even if Chad restructures his deal, there is still going to be big cap hit for the Bengals because of the bonus money he has already been paid. You are also talking about making a deal with Mike Brown for a player he personally likes. Not really a practical situation. </div> Mike Brown cannot be pleased with Johnson at this point. He's looking at the beginning of what could very well be another TO vs. the Eagles situation. I can't see Chad playing another game in Cincinnati after all that has been said. </div> Doesn't matter if Mike Brown is pleased or not. Also, you have to realize that Mike Brown is more than stubborn enough to let Chad hold out and never trade him during the life of his contract. Plus as a bonus, Mike wouldn't have to pay Chad a dime and that'll make Mike happy.
This isnt 2004....the league is flush with cap surplus....the current CBA sets the cap so damn high, that you can afford to draft high....donn't think these guys don't realize it either....everyone is bitching right now about the cost to draft in the top 5, but thats because they are trying to drive the values down....the cap numbers at the top of the draft havent changed much with the new cba, but the % of impact on the cap has....every team, except the absolute worst run franchises(Cardinals for instances), have room to add any draft pick to their caps....thats not a valid excuse.... Will the Cowboys trade for McFadden? Will they trade for a WR? Will Jerry Jones move them to the moon so they can be closer to God? If any of these things are in the works, you wouldnt know, because NO ONE IS TIPPING THEIR HANDS!!!!!! Got that? NO ONE!!!!! Its all spin and bullshit right now....so when Jerry Jones says a trade would cost too much, take that for what its worth, a man whos goal is to position himself to get the most he can out of every resources he has and gains nothing from telling anyone what his plan is.....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jerry has already said he is not willing to move up into the top 5 and risk all of that money on an unproven player. It would cripple us if McFadden didn't turn out to be a star. We know what we have in Barber. McFadden certainly has more potential, but its not a forgone conclusion that he is a star in the NFL. If we were a struggling team, risking for McFadden might make more sense. But as close as we are, trading the farm for McFadden doesn't make sense. Especially when it could hamper our ability to resign some of our own guys in the near future (which, if anyone has been following the past couple of years, Jerry has stressed this as the most important thing).</div> The future for Dallas is right now. There is no reason for Jerry to be chicken-shit about loading up his roster. Screw the draft picks, use them to win right now. There is no next season. McFadden instantly upgrades the running game. The passing game really isn't in that bad of shape to begin with. You know what you have in Barber, and you know that he is not the answer. What makes sense is winning the freaking superbowl. You already have a team built to go far. If you want an example, just look at what adding Randy Moss did for New England last year. Upgrade the running game, you already have downfield threats in the passing game. Your GM will figure out how to fit in all of this year's contracts. Don't worry about it. </div> We have more pressing needs than upgrading Barber. Barber is a better RB than Crayton is a #2 WR. And CB remains the most dire need of all.
