<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 3 2008, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>McFadden isn't good enough to bump the Cowboys that much.</div> Aha! This plants the seed for a thread later in the season about McFadden vs. Barber. Lets compare them by week 8. </div> Go ahead. Ryan may end up being a better QB long term than Romo. Doesn't mean we should trade up for Ryan either. Its obvious, as a Raider fan, why you want a deal to be struck. But the reality of it is, no deal will be made.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Apr 3 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This isnt 2004....the league is flush with cap surplus....the current CBA sets the cap so damn high, that you can afford to draft high....donn't think these guys don't realize it either....everyone is bitching right now about the cost to draft in the top 5, but thats because they are trying to drive the values down....the cap numbers at the top of the draft havent changed much with the new cba, but the % of impact on the cap has....every team, except the absolute worst run franchises(Cardinals for instances), have room to add any draft pick to their caps....thats not a valid excuse.... Will the Cowboys trade for McFadden? Will they trade for a WR? Will Jerry Jones move them to the moon so they can be closer to God? If any of these things are in the works, you wouldnt know, because NO ONE IS TIPPING THEIR HANDS!!!!!! Got that? NO ONE!!!!! Its all spin and bullshit right now....so when Jerry Jones says a trade would cost too much, take that for what its worth, a man whos goal is to position himself to get the most he can out of every resources he has and gains nothing from telling anyone what his plan is.....</div> I am not worried about the actual cost of drafting McFadden. I am more concerned about keeping the two 1st rounders, one to draft a CB, the other to try and parlay into a veteran WR. Its not all spin and bullshit. Unless you want to argue that Jerry is buying off the media, members from other organizations, etc to report the rumors that Dallas is looking for a WR. Because EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING he has done to this point has been trying to acquire a WR; not a RB. Spin that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jerry has already said he is not willing to move up into the top 5 and risk all of that money on an unproven player. It would cripple us if McFadden didn't turn out to be a star. We know what we have in Barber. McFadden certainly has more potential, but its not a forgone conclusion that he is a star in the NFL. If we were a struggling team, risking for McFadden might make more sense. But as close as we are, trading the farm for McFadden doesn't make sense. Especially when it could hamper our ability to resign some of our own guys in the near future (which, if anyone has been following the past couple of years, Jerry has stressed this as the most important thing).</div> The future for Dallas is right now. There is no reason for Jerry to be chicken-shit about loading up his roster. Screw the draft picks, use them to win right now. There is no next season. McFadden instantly upgrades the running game. The passing game really isn't in that bad of shape to begin with. You know what you have in Barber, and you know that he is not the answer. What makes sense is winning the freaking superbowl. You already have a team built to go far. If you want an example, just look at what adding Randy Moss did for New England last year. Upgrade the running game, you already have downfield threats in the passing game. Your GM will figure out how to fit in all of this year's contracts. Don't worry about it. </div> Really? We know what we have in Barber and he isn't the answer? Is that why the offense looked so different with JJ running the ball than with Barber? Huh. Odd too, really. Because our run game when Barber was in was good. Not so good with JJ. When we were without Owens or an injured Owens in the playoff game, the offense sputtered. We need another WR.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Apr 3 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This isnt 2004....the league is flush with cap surplus....the current CBA sets the cap so damn high, that you can afford to draft high....donn't think these guys don't realize it either....everyone is bitching right now about the cost to draft in the top 5, but thats because they are trying to drive the values down....the cap numbers at the top of the draft havent changed much with the new cba, but the % of impact on the cap has....every team, except the absolute worst run franchises(Cardinals for instances), have room to add any draft pick to their caps....thats not a valid excuse.... Will the Cowboys trade for McFadden? Will they trade for a WR? Will Jerry Jones move them to the moon so they can be closer to God? If any of these things are in the works, you wouldnt know, because NO ONE IS TIPPING THEIR HANDS!!!!!! Got that? NO ONE!!!!! Its all spin and bullshit right now....so when Jerry Jones says a trade would cost too much, take that for what its worth, a man whos goal is to position himself to get the most he can out of every resources he has and gains nothing from telling anyone what his plan is.....</div> I am not worried about the actual cost of drafting McFadden. I am more concerned about keeping the two 1st rounders, one to draft a CB, the other to try and parlay into a veteran WR. Its not all spin and bullshit. Unless you want to argue that Jerry is buying off the media, members from other organizations, etc to report the rumors that Dallas is looking for a WR. Because EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING he has done to this point has been trying to acquire a WR; not a RB. Spin that. </div> To Beef and Vintage: Relax, this thread is about rumors, and one's that we have heard. You guys are calling the kettle black when you say that its all spin and bullshit. Of course it is, and we love it!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Its not all spin and bullshit. Unless you want to argue that Jerry is buying off the media, members from other organizations, etc to report the rumors that Dallas is looking for a WR. Because EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING he has done to this point has been trying to acquire a WR; not a RB. Spin that.</div> Well, I didn't hear him swear on his mother's grave, so I will remain skeptical until draft day. You used the word rumor. That is exactly all we have.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Really? We know what we have in Barber and he isn't the answer? Is that why the offense looked so different with JJ running the ball than with Barber? Huh. Odd too, really. Because our run game when Barber was in was good. Not so good with JJ. When we were without Owens or an injured Owens in the playoff game, the offense sputtered. We need another WR.</div> I try to use this same logic when explaining to people that Oakland needs to draft Jake Long at #4. I say things like, "look at our current o-line, look at how many DL's we have under contract right now, look at the 4 RB's that we have on the payroll, why did we award contracts to them already if we are taking McFadden? Look at how weak we were at protecting the left side last year....it goes on and on, but Jake Long is still my pick. Yet, everyone seems to disagree with me and they are all going with Mel Kiper's D McFadden #4 prediction. Lane Kiffin told the world that "there is no need for another RB on this team". They are telling everyone that they will draft a defensive lineman at that spot. Guess what, I don't believe anything that the Raiders are saying! I realize that this is a game within a game, and there are certainly massive bluffs going on all over the place.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Apr 3 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This isnt 2004....the league is flush with cap surplus....the current CBA sets the cap so damn high, that you can afford to draft high....donn't think these guys don't realize it either....everyone is bitching right now about the cost to draft in the top 5, but thats because they are trying to drive the values down....the cap numbers at the top of the draft havent changed much with the new cba, but the % of impact on the cap has....every team, except the absolute worst run franchises(Cardinals for instances), have room to add any draft pick to their caps....thats not a valid excuse.... Will the Cowboys trade for McFadden? Will they trade for a WR? Will Jerry Jones move them to the moon so they can be closer to God? If any of these things are in the works, you wouldnt know, because NO ONE IS TIPPING THEIR HANDS!!!!!! Got that? NO ONE!!!!! Its all spin and bullshit right now....so when Jerry Jones says a trade would cost too much, take that for what its worth, a man whos goal is to position himself to get the most he can out of every resources he has and gains nothing from telling anyone what his plan is.....</div> I am not worried about the actual cost of drafting McFadden. I am more concerned about keeping the two 1st rounders, one to draft a CB, the other to try and parlay into a veteran WR. Its not all spin and bullshit. Unless you want to argue that Jerry is buying off the media, members from other organizations, etc to report the rumors that Dallas is looking for a WR. Because EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING he has done to this point has been trying to acquire a WR; not a RB. Spin that. </div> To Beef and Vintage: Relax, this thread is about rumors, and one's that we have heard. You guys are calling the kettle black when you say that its all spin and bullshit. Of course it is, and we love it! </div> There is a difference between rumors and rumors that have some legitimacy attached to them. It was rumored that Asante Samuel was an interest of Dallas. As far as I can tell, the only "leg" this rumor stood on was that Dallas was looking for CB help and Samuel was a free agent, so therefore, ESPN thought it made sense. On the flip side, there is a rumor that Dallas is looking for a veteran WR. This rumor has legitimate standing, given that we went after Walker, Jones was seen talking to Detroit brass, league insiders are reporting Dallas has been actively and openly shopping for a WR, and Jones coming out and saying he wants to acquire a veteran WR. McFadden falls into the former; not the latter. You are right though, I guess I should relax. I can't make everyone look at this logically. But come draft day, those expecting anything like McFadden to happen are going to be surprised when nothing of that sort happens. If anything happens, it will be for a veteran WR and/or PacMan. But even those, I am not overly confident enough to predict it as definite, even if those closer to the scene think something will be....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Really? We know what we have in Barber and he isn't the answer? Is that why the offense looked so different with JJ running the ball than with Barber? Huh. Odd too, really. Because our run game when Barber was in was good. Not so good with JJ. When we were without Owens or an injured Owens in the playoff game, the offense sputtered. We need another WR.</div> I try to use this same logic when explaining to people that Oakland needs to draft Jake Long at #4. I say things like, "look at our current o-line, look at how many DL's we have under contract right now, look at the 4 RB's that we have on the payroll, why did we award contracts to them already if we are taking McFadden? Look at how weak we were at protecting the left side last year....it goes on and on, but Jake Long is still my pick. Yet, everyone seems to disagree with me and they are all going with Mel Kiper's D McFadden #4 prediction. Lane Kiffin told the world that "there is no need for another RB on this team". They are telling everyone that they will draft a defensive lineman at that spot. Guess what, I don't believe anything that the Raiders are saying! I realize that this is a game within a game, and there are certainly massive bluffs going on all over the place. </div> FWIW, I don't think you guys are taking McFadden either. With Fargas getting an extension, Jordan and Rhodes still under contract, and you guys were pretty high on Bush, I don't see McFadden going to Oakland. I have him falling to the Jets at 6. I don't think Jake Long makes it to you though. Miami could use a LT (and move Carey back to RT), St Louis (Barron hasn't amounted to anything, Pace constantly getting hurt and is getting up there), and Atlanta (who is there LT?) could all draft Long, potentially. I think you guys look at DT/DE, personally. Or maybe a OT like Clady.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is a difference between rumors and rumors that have some legitimacy attached to them. It was rumored that Asante Samuel was an interest of Dallas. As far as I can tell, the only "leg" this rumor stood on was that Dallas was looking for CB help and Samuel was a free agent, so therefore, ESPN thought it made sense.</div> What about the "leg" that you pointed out earlier....that Dallas is looking to aquire a CB? Lately, its been PacMan Jones....that is enough to keep that rumor alive. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>On the flip side, there is a rumor that Dallas is looking for a veteran WR. This rumor has legitimate standing, given that we went after Walker, Jones was seen talking to Detroit brass, league insiders are reporting Dallas has been actively and openly shopping for a WR, and Jones coming out and saying he wants to acquire a veteran WR. McFadden falls into the former; not the latter. You are right though, I guess I should relax. I can't make everyone look at this logically. But come draft day, those expecting anything like McFadden to happen are going to be surprised when nothing of that sort happens. If anything happens, it will be for a veteran WR and/or PacMan. But even those, I am not overly confident enough to predict it as definite, even if those closer to the scene think something will be....</div> You are confusing absolute certainty with plausible rumors. You are absolutely certain that the Cowboys won't take McFadden. I would say that the odds are more like 75%. Meh.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>FWIW, I don't think you guys are taking McFadden either. With Fargas getting an extension, Jordan and Rhodes still under contract, and you guys were pretty high on Bush, I don't see McFadden going to Oakland. I have him falling to the Jets at 6. I don't think Jake Long makes it to you though. Miami could use a LT (and move Carey back to RT), St Louis (Barron hasn't amounted to anything, Pace constantly getting hurt and is getting up there), and Atlanta (who is there LT?) could all draft Long, potentially. I think you guys look at DT/DE, personally. Or maybe a OT like Clady.</div> If Chris Long or Dorsey fall to #4, then yeah. We would probably go with Chris over Jake. Who makes a bigger impact on this team? Well, we've already lost last year's starting LT. I think its the left tackle, who would be trained from the very beginning by Tom Cable. Then, the Raiders have a brick wall protecting their 30 million-dollar-quarterback of the future.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is a difference between rumors and rumors that have some legitimacy attached to them. It was rumored that Asante Samuel was an interest of Dallas. As far as I can tell, the only "leg" this rumor stood on was that Dallas was looking for CB help and Samuel was a free agent, so therefore, ESPN thought it made sense.</div> What about the "leg" that you pointed out earlier....that Dallas is looking to aquire a CB? Lately, its been PacMan Jones....that is enough to keep that rumor alive. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>On the flip side, there is a rumor that Dallas is looking for a veteran WR. This rumor has legitimate standing, given that we went after Walker, Jones was seen talking to Detroit brass, league insiders are reporting Dallas has been actively and openly shopping for a WR, and Jones coming out and saying he wants to acquire a veteran WR. McFadden falls into the former; not the latter. You are right though, I guess I should relax. I can't make everyone look at this logically. But come draft day, those expecting anything like McFadden to happen are going to be surprised when nothing of that sort happens. If anything happens, it will be for a veteran WR and/or PacMan. But even those, I am not overly confident enough to predict it as definite, even if those closer to the scene think something will be....</div> You are confusing absolute certainty with plausible rumors. You are absolutely certain that the Cowboys won't take McFadden. I would say that the odds are more like 75%. Meh. </div> I am not sure what you are trying to imply with the PacMan thing. I am assuming we can agree its legitimate that we are pursuing PacMan. But just because we are pursuing PacMan doesn't mean we pursued Asante Samuel. And no, I am not absolutely certain McFadden won't be in Dallas next year. If he falls out of the top 5, I think we stand a chance (albeit small) of moving up. Like, 1-2%. If he falls out of the top 10, the odds increase. And if he somehow falls to 22 (which is a 0% chance, but for the sake of this), I'd bet anything Jerry would draft him. What I am absolutely certain of, is that Dallas will not move into the top 5 to grab McFadden. McFadden has to start falling, or he isn't a Cowboy. So you can forget the Dallas/Oak, Dallas/Mia, Dallas/Atl rumors that have been circulating about for far too long. I have yet to stumble across someone with any remote amount of sense that believes it will happen.
Serious new rumor!!!!! I heard today, from a reliable source that has knowledge of the situation, that some teams are looking for talented players....he wouldnt specify which teams, but he said atleast 31 teams were involved....i speculate that the Lions may be the one team opting out of the search....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Apr 3 2008, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Serious new rumor!!!!! I heard today, from a reliable source that has knowledge of the situation, that some teams are looking for talented players....he wouldnt specify which teams, but he said atleast 31 teams were involved....i speculate that the Lions may be the one team opting out of the search....</div> Hahahahahaha!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is a difference between rumors and rumors that have some legitimacy attached to them. It was rumored that Asante Samuel was an interest of Dallas. As far as I can tell, the only "leg" this rumor stood on was that Dallas was looking for CB help and Samuel was a free agent, so therefore, ESPN thought it made sense.</div> What about the "leg" that you pointed out earlier....that Dallas is looking to aquire a CB? Lately, its been PacMan Jones....that is enough to keep that rumor alive. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>On the flip side, there is a rumor that Dallas is looking for a veteran WR. This rumor has legitimate standing, given that we went after Walker, Jones was seen talking to Detroit brass, league insiders are reporting Dallas has been actively and openly shopping for a WR, and Jones coming out and saying he wants to acquire a veteran WR. McFadden falls into the former; not the latter. You are right though, I guess I should relax. I can't make everyone look at this logically. But come draft day, those expecting anything like McFadden to happen are going to be surprised when nothing of that sort happens. If anything happens, it will be for a veteran WR and/or PacMan. But even those, I am not overly confident enough to predict it as definite, even if those closer to the scene think something will be....</div> You are confusing absolute certainty with plausible rumors. You are absolutely certain that the Cowboys won't take McFadden. I would say that the odds are more like 75%. Meh. </div> I am not sure what you are trying to imply with the PacMan thing. I am assuming we can agree its legitimate that we are pursuing PacMan. But just because we are pursuing PacMan doesn't mean we pursued Asante Samuel. And no, I am not absolutely certain McFadden won't be in Dallas next year. If he falls out of the top 5, I think we stand a chance (albeit small) of moving up. Like, 1-2%. If he falls out of the top 10, the odds increase. And if he somehow falls to 22 (which is a 0% chance, but for the sake of this), I'd bet anything Jerry would draft him. What I am absolutely certain of, is that Dallas will not move into the top 5 to grab McFadden. McFadden has to start falling, or he isn't a Cowboy. So you can forget the Dallas/Oak, Dallas/Mia, Dallas/Atl rumors that have been circulating about for far too long. I have yet to stumble across someone with any remote amount of sense that believes it will happen. </div> If Dallas is now talking to PacMan, then its not out of the realm of possiblility that Dallas was at least looking into acquiring Samuel earlier on. I am not declaring that to be truth, but I am also not dismissing it. It's a moot point now that he is signed elsewhere.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is a difference between rumors and rumors that have some legitimacy attached to them. It was rumored that Asante Samuel was an interest of Dallas. As far as I can tell, the only "leg" this rumor stood on was that Dallas was looking for CB help and Samuel was a free agent, so therefore, ESPN thought it made sense.</div> What about the "leg" that you pointed out earlier....that Dallas is looking to aquire a CB? Lately, its been PacMan Jones....that is enough to keep that rumor alive. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>On the flip side, there is a rumor that Dallas is looking for a veteran WR. This rumor has legitimate standing, given that we went after Walker, Jones was seen talking to Detroit brass, league insiders are reporting Dallas has been actively and openly shopping for a WR, and Jones coming out and saying he wants to acquire a veteran WR. McFadden falls into the former; not the latter. You are right though, I guess I should relax. I can't make everyone look at this logically. But come draft day, those expecting anything like McFadden to happen are going to be surprised when nothing of that sort happens. If anything happens, it will be for a veteran WR and/or PacMan. But even those, I am not overly confident enough to predict it as definite, even if those closer to the scene think something will be....</div> You are confusing absolute certainty with plausible rumors. You are absolutely certain that the Cowboys won't take McFadden. I would say that the odds are more like 75%. Meh. </div> I am not sure what you are trying to imply with the PacMan thing. I am assuming we can agree its legitimate that we are pursuing PacMan. But just because we are pursuing PacMan doesn't mean we pursued Asante Samuel. And no, I am not absolutely certain McFadden won't be in Dallas next year. If he falls out of the top 5, I think we stand a chance (albeit small) of moving up. Like, 1-2%. If he falls out of the top 10, the odds increase. And if he somehow falls to 22 (which is a 0% chance, but for the sake of this), I'd bet anything Jerry would draft him. What I am absolutely certain of, is that Dallas will not move into the top 5 to grab McFadden. McFadden has to start falling, or he isn't a Cowboy. So you can forget the Dallas/Oak, Dallas/Mia, Dallas/Atl rumors that have been circulating about for far too long. I have yet to stumble across someone with any remote amount of sense that believes it will happen. </div> If Dallas is now talking to PacMan, then its not out of the realm of possiblility that Dallas was at least looking into acquiring Samuel earlier on. I am not declaring that to be truth, but I am also not dismissing it. It's a moot point now that he is signed elsewhere. </div> If Dallas is interested in a CB.......that must mean they are going after Nmandi!!!!!!!!!!! And Trufant!!!!!!!!!!! Actually, the one I am surprised ESPN never really linked us to was Drayton Florence, since he played under Wade. Guess it wasn't a big enough name to speculate on. I hear Dallas was interested in looking for an ILB. Must mean they were tampering with Briggs too, looking for him to be an ILB in a 3-4.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> If Dallas is now talking to PacMan, then its not out of the realm of possiblility that Dallas was at least looking into acquiring Samuel earlier on. I am not declaring that to be truth, but I am also not dismissing it. It's a moot point now that he is signed elsewhere.</div> If Dallas is interested in a CB.......that must mean they are going after Nmandi!!!!!!!!!!! And Trufant!!!!!!!!!!! Actually, the one I am surprised ESPN never really linked us to was Drayton Florence, since he played under Wade. Guess it wasn't a big enough name to speculate on. I hear Dallas was interested in looking for an ILB. Must mean they were tampering with Briggs too, looking for him to be an ILB in a 3-4. </div> These people you listed all have a value attached to them, and everyone in the league is totally aware of available players, or players that they could potentially trade for. Yeah, its a shame that Jerry couldn't reach a little deeper and grab one of these elite corners. He *may* have also saved money by not having to buy a hotel room with his team at the Superbowl. Good Luck!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> If Dallas is now talking to PacMan, then its not out of the realm of possiblility that Dallas was at least looking into acquiring Samuel earlier on. I am not declaring that to be truth, but I am also not dismissing it. It's a moot point now that he is signed elsewhere.</div> If Dallas is interested in a CB.......that must mean they are going after Nmandi!!!!!!!!!!! And Trufant!!!!!!!!!!! Actually, the one I am surprised ESPN never really linked us to was Drayton Florence, since he played under Wade. Guess it wasn't a big enough name to speculate on. I hear Dallas was interested in looking for an ILB. Must mean they were tampering with Briggs too, looking for him to be an ILB in a 3-4. </div> These people you listed all have a value attached to them, and everyone in the league is totally aware of available players, or players that they could potentially trade for. Yeah, its a shame that Jerry couldn't reach a little deeper and grab one of these elite corners. He *may* have also saved money by not having to buy a hotel room with his team at the Superbowl. Good Luck! </div> What? Spending money isn't the problem. Its giving up the draft picks (which we need to address more prudent areas than upgrading our starting RB) and operating within the cap. Right now, we have a little over 3 M in cap (I am too lazy right now to look up the exact figure). NVM, I went and looked it up. Just a shade under 4 M. Of course, certain things can be done to increase that, but as of now, those certain things have not been done. What you've failed to explain, again, is why we should trade up for McFadden. Other than you see it as an upgrade. Problem is, Barber isn't a weak spot. He's actually a strength of the team. Could McFadden be an upgrade? Sure. Matt Ryan could also be an upgrade over Romo too, doesn't mean we should trade up for Ryan either. We have a huge hole at CB. We probably need an ILB (especially if Ayodele gets cut) although that can be had later in the draft, and we really need another WR.... WR and CB (at least 2) are far more of a need than "improving" upon Barber. And then we get back to RB. We already need at least one RB via the draft as is. By trading Barber and 2 1st rounders this year, we have rounds 2-7 to address CB, WR, RB (again), ILB as well as other positions? Please. Plus, this nixes any real chance to land a veteran WR, which Jerry has been plenty open with in trying to acquire one.
Here is what I know: Anthony Henry keeps getting injured. Every. Damn. Year. And when he has to play hurt, it can be pretty ugly. He is also getting up there in years. Newman is a FA after this year. Our 3rd CB is a rookie 7th round pick last year, Alan Ball. The team is pretty high on him, but he is completely unproven. Jones and Reeves were let go in the offseason (or perhaps the proper term should be "not offered a contract."). They suckage was truly amazing. Dallas needs to come away with a starting caliber CB in the draft. And by that, I mean someone in round 1-2 (round 1 is probably most likely). And the reality of it is, unless PacMan is traded to Dallas, they need to come away with another mid round CB. RB- Right now, only Barber is on the roster. Well, I guess technically Coleman is too. And he could end up being our 3rd RB next season. But we need another RB, someone who can give us 150 or so carries. This is a priority, too. WR- Owens is getting up there in age. The offense sputtered when he went down the Carolina game, in Washington (although, I am not sure how much that really matters), and in the Giants playoff game. We need youth at the position. And Jerry is pursuing veteran options. We could probably get by another season with what we have (assuming Owens stays healthy).... but I would much prefer to do something at WR just in case. Probable priority. What does trading up for McFadden accomplish? It may give us a better RB. But its going to cost us 2 1st rounders and Barber. And then, we still need to draft another RB. As well as a couple of CBs.... and a WR. That's going to be harder to accomplish. Plus, then you've got to look at ILB if Ayodele is cut, perhaps a developmental QB, and maybe a DL prospect.... We are going to be hard pressed to do this if we move up for McFadden..... its simply not worth upgrading Barber at the cost of hurting us at a position where we need immediate help (CB), and pretty damn close to immediate help (CB, RB again to backup McFadden).
Thank you Vintage, it's great to have a voice of reason around here. It's so painfully obvious that trading up for DMac will do more harm than good that at this point I'm not too worried about Jerruh lusting after his Razorbacks. What does worry me is that he'll take Felix Jones in the first. I look at him and all I can think of is Julius Jones.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What does trading up for McFadden accomplish? It may give us a better RB. But its going to cost us 2 1st rounders and Barber. And then, we still need to draft another RB. As well as a couple of CBs.... and a WR. That's going to be harder to accomplish. Plus, then you've got to look at ILB if Ayodele is cut, perhaps a developmental QB, and maybe a DL prospect.... We are going to be hard pressed to do this if we move up for McFadden..... its simply not worth upgrading Barber at the cost of hurting us at a position where we need immediate help (CB), and pretty damn close to immediate help (CB, RB again to backup McFadden).</div> The actual price of trading up with Oakland is something that I came up with. The Boys might have other ideas for what they might use for trade bait. I would imagine it would be at least involve one 1st rounder now or future, players, and other assorted picks of differing value.
