<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 3 2008, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 3 2008, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What does trading up for McFadden accomplish? It may give us a better RB. But its going to cost us 2 1st rounders and Barber. And then, we still need to draft another RB. As well as a couple of CBs.... and a WR. That's going to be harder to accomplish. Plus, then you've got to look at ILB if Ayodele is cut, perhaps a developmental QB, and maybe a DL prospect.... We are going to be hard pressed to do this if we move up for McFadden..... its simply not worth upgrading Barber at the cost of hurting us at a position where we need immediate help (CB), and pretty damn close to immediate help (CB, RB again to backup McFadden).</div> The actual price of trading up with Oakland is something that I came up with. The Boys might have other ideas for what they might use for trade bait. I would imagine it would be at least involve one 1st rounder now or future, players, and other assorted picks of differing value. </div> To trade into the top 5, its going to take the 2 1st rounders this year to start with. Its going to cost more, for sure. A 1st rounder next year has the same value as a 2nd rounder in this year's draft. Which, for example, is why Indianapolis traded a 1st rounder in '08 to San Fran for their 2nd rounder in '07 to select Tony Ugoh. Future picks are devalued a full round. So a 1st rounder next year has a value of a 2nd rounder this year. Any deal for a top 5 pick will cost Dallas its 2 1st rounders to start with..... and even then, Dallas needs to add more. Which is why it won't happen......
Local NBC News in Dallas is reporting PacMan to Dallas is a done deal per PacMan and all that he has to do is drop his grievance with the Titans over the Signing Bonus money for the trade to go through. If this is true, great news.... solves immediate help at the nickel CB position and gives us a dynamic PR/KR. Still think we probably should address CB on day 1 of the draft (to protect ourselves in case PacMan screws up, but also because Henry or Newman could be gone next year)
And we're in a great position to do just that. There's enough first round talent out there that we'll get a great prospect at 22. The only first rounder I'm not entirely sold on is Brandon Flowers. I can see him becoming just another Keith Davis: big hitter, low coverage skills
Seriously, this whole PacMan thing is getting old. Now, Mosley is reporting that the deal is not finalized. Yet NBC in Dallas is apparently reporting PacMan said the deal was done. So, in other words, apparently, its still unknown.
49ers bring in potpourri or potential draft picks Interesting that they didn't mentoin any offensive lineman, particularly Gosder Cherilus from BC, who a lot of mocks have them taking. I'd be happy with Groves, though. They need a big improvement in the pass rush department, and hopefully drafting Groves, signing Justin Smith, and Manny Lawson coming back from injury would be enough.
Not really a rumor but more of an observation. Packers GM Ted THompson left the owner meetings early to attend the USC Pro day. By doing this he also skipped out on receiving his executive of the year award so he'll have to get that another time or whatever they do. Now he could've had one of his scouts attend the pro day. A lot of teams do that but he wanted to be there in person. That tells me they could be looking at maybe Sam Baker with their 1st round pick or Fred Davis possibly. Just something I thought was interesting.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Apr 2 2008, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 2 2008, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If people still believe McFadden to Dallas is going to happen....well, I guess it just goes to show you that you can't fix stupid.</div> If you think Jones, or any other team official with any team in the NFL is telling the truth right now, well....you said it best, you can't fix stupid </div> It was Ron White who said "You can't fix stupid" But, Beef. Jeff Ireland was. Why would the media lie? In a draft where there is no clear #1, the media can't cope w/ the phins having that much control.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 21 2008, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>FWIW, Barber and Dallas have supposedly begun contract talks.</div> I heard Jerry's offering 30 million, while Rosenhaus is thinking 40-50. Yikes. Barber's amazing, but thats a lot of money for potential production. He was a pro-bowler without being a starter; take that as you will. In the one game he did start his 4th quarter production was pretty poor. I don't think the problem is that his endurance can't hold up a game, but can he be the Barbarian through 16?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 21 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 21 2008, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>FWIW, Barber and Dallas have supposedly begun contract talks.</div> I heard Jerry's offering 30 million, while Rosenhaus is thinking 40-50. Yikes. Barber's amazing, but thats a lot of money for potential production. He was a pro-bowler without being a starter; take that as you will. In the one game he did start his 4th quarter production was pretty poor. I don't think the problem is that his endurance can't hold up a game, but can he be the Barbarian through 16? </div> I can't answer that question. No one can. The one thing I will say about that Giants game though, is that the OL did not do Barber any favors in the 4th Quarter. I think he can get to 250 carries a season pretty easily. The question is, can he get to 300? He is going to get paid; that much, I do know. 28 TDs the past two years will do that. But I think Dallas will draft a RB to compliment him. I guess Barber doesn't really need to hit the 300 barrier on second thought... as long as he is productive when he gets the carries, that's what matters. He was last year and the year before.
Last year he had 204 carries, so getting 300 would only require that he get 6 more carries per game. I think he can do that being the feature back without Julius on the team.
Hes seeking $40m-$60m and knowing what i do about Rosenhaus, its likely closer to $60m....to quote the great Ari Gold, "And I want to fuck Angelina Jolie....the difference is that I may have a shot"....he has no leverage, and I mean absolutely none....hes one of the most violent runners in the league, hes not that big, and hes never ever carried the load on any level, yet he wants LT money....either he comes down to a reasonable offer or he plays for the tender, then for a year or two as the franchise tag, and never gets his big deal because the mileage will pile up and hes likely to get nicked up, if not full out injured, along the way....the Cowboys should stick with the offer they have made, its more than fair, in fact, its generous
Heres one that is definetly plausible: The Saints want interior D-line help and have fallen hard for a local favorite, LSU DT Glenn Dorsey....the Saints have had talks with the Rams, but the Rams are content to stay at #2 where they are assured of getting Jake Long or Dorsey....so if the Saints want Dorsey, they have to go one pick higher, leaving them with just Miami to deal with....this one should be watched closely in my opinion if they really are hung up on Dorsey....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Apr 21 2008, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hes seeking $40m-$60m and knowing what i do about Rosenhaus, its likely closer to $60m....to quote the great Ari Gold, "And I want to **** Angelina Jolie....the difference is that I may have a shot"....he has no leverage, and I mean absolutely none....hes one of the most violent runners in the league, hes not that big, and hes never ever carried the load on any level, yet he wants LT money....either he comes down to a reasonable offer or he plays for the tender, then for a year or two as the franchise tag, and never gets his big deal because the mileage will pile up and hes likely to get nicked up, if not full out injured, along the way....the Cowboys should stick with the offer they have made, its more than fair, in fact, its generous</div> Hello all, its been almost a month since we started this thread and is Marion Barber's contract finished yet? The draft is less than 2 days away, and they have been negotiating for at least a week. I know the *fans* really want that cornerback, but you will even admit that Jones will do a crazy upwards move to grab someone. In February, the Cowboys placed the $2.562 million tender on Barber, who is a restricted free agent. If another team wants to sign Barber, it would have to give up first and third round picks if the Cowboys choose not to match an offer. The Raiders, to my dismay, might find that some combination of Dallas' picks are just too good to pass up. Also, it wouldn't be the first time (recently) that Dallas becomes mildly enamored with former Raiders. I could see Jerry accepting a deal that included a Raider CB along with the #4 pick. No, you wouldnt get Hall or Namdi, he would try to give you Washington (former first rounder, young player) . I think Jerry takes the bait. At that point, they allow Barber to get an offer from another team (like the Jets or something), they don't match, and that other team then owes them a first and 3rd round pick next season. The winner in this - Dallas. The loser in this deal - Chris Long.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 25 2008, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Apr 21 2008, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hes seeking $40m-$60m and knowing what i do about Rosenhaus, its likely closer to $60m....to quote the great Ari Gold, "And I want to **** Angelina Jolie....the difference is that I may have a shot"....he has no leverage, and I mean absolutely none....hes one of the most violent runners in the league, hes not that big, and hes never ever carried the load on any level, yet he wants LT money....either he comes down to a reasonable offer or he plays for the tender, then for a year or two as the franchise tag, and never gets his big deal because the mileage will pile up and hes likely to get nicked up, if not full out injured, along the way....the Cowboys should stick with the offer they have made, its more than fair, in fact, its generous</div> Hello all, its been almost a month since we started this thread and is Marion Barber's contract finished yet? The draft is less than 2 days away, and they have been negotiating for at least a week. I know the *fans* really want that cornerback, but you will even admit that Jones will do a crazy upwards move to grab someone. In February, the Cowboys placed the $2.562 million tender on Barber, who is a restricted free agent. If another team wants to sign Barber, it would have to give up first and third round picks if the Cowboys choose not to match an offer. The Raiders, to my dismay, might find that some combination of Dallas' picks are just too good to pass up. Also, it wouldn't be the first time (recently) that Dallas becomes mildly enamored with former Raiders. I could see Jerry accepting a deal that included a Raider CB along with the #4 pick. No, you wouldnt get Hall or Namdi, he would try to give you Washington (former first rounder, young player) . I think Jerry takes the bait. At that point, they allow Barber to get an offer from another team (like the Jets or something), they don't match, and that other team then owes them a first and 3rd round pick next season. The winner in this - Dallas. The loser in this deal - Chris Long. </div> Your scenario is stupid for several reasons. First, restricted free agency has passed. IOW, the Jets cannot sign Barber. Secondly, all the reports coming out say Jerry wants to trade down; not up. Yeah, say whatever you want to about about pre-draft information. This time, Matt Mosley is saying this. And for anyone who follows the Cowboys, they know about Mosley's accuracy. He predicted Roy Williams, he predicted Terence Newman, he predicted Demarcus Ware, he predicted Bobby Carpenter, and last year he predicted a trade down for Anthony Spencer. Mosley has sources within the Cowboys. As stated in another thread, a lot of his sources went to Miami. But then again, his "king source" is still in Dallas. Mosley has been scary accurate about Dallas' draft the past 6 years or so. He says Jerry is looking to trade the 28 (either in a move down or for a veteran WR) You seem to think we are trading up. Hard decision, really, on who I should believe.... Maybe Mosley changes his tune today. If he does, I'll post his new stuff here. But until he does, its safe to assume McFadden to Dallas isn't happening.
Here is what Mosley said last year before the draft: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>April 27th) From everything I can tell, the Cowboys will attempt to trade down and select Purdue defensive end/linebacker Anthony Spencer. Director of scouting Jeff Ireland and his staff love how much ground the kid covers, and the Cowboys need another pass-rusher.</div> Anyone who questions whether or not he has a source in Dallas is beyond stupid. Mosley is saying Dallas is looking at RB at 22 (Stewart or Jones) and CB at 28 (Flowers or Cason). He also says if Jenkins or DRC is available at 22, Dallas will go CB at 22 instead. I'd rather have Jones at 22 than Stewart; but neither would disappoint me. Jones would bring more versatility to the offense, in that he can also line up in the slot and catch. We can move him around more. And he can be a KR as well. I wasn't as high on him until recently. I'll post some scouts' opinions on him later. It pretty much convinced me I was wrong on my initial take on Jones.
Scouts take on Felix Jones: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>McFadden was named the top back in the draft by 16 of 17 scouts in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel poll asking them to rate their favorites on a 1-to-5 basis, with a first-place vote worth five points and so on. He totaled 84 points. Following, in order, were Oregon's Jonathan Stewart (one first) and Illinois' Rashard Mendenhall, 56; Arkansas' Felix Jones, 31; Texas' Jamaal Charles, 17; Rutgers' Ray Rice, 7; Central Florida's Kevin Smith, 2; and East Carolina's Chris Johnson and South Carolina's Cory Boyd, 1.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>4. FELIX JONES, Arkansas (5-10, 210, 4.45, 1-2) - Played behind McFadden for three years, getting 386 carries to McFadden's 785. "If Felix Jones played for West Virginia," said Polian, "you'd be talking about him in the same breath as Mendenhall and Stewart. He only suffers by comparison to the guy he's playing with." Averaged 7.7 yards per carry, second in NCAA history behind Army's Glenn Davis (8.3) from 1943-'46. Averaged 8.7 in '07, gaining 1,162 yards. "There's some similarities to Reggie (Bush)," said Rick Reiprish, New Orleans' director of college scouting. "Reggie is so quick but Jones might be a little faster." Happy-go-lucky personality. Excels on kickoff returns. "You can put him at wideout, the slot, running back," Brocato said. "He's tough. He runs inside. I think he can (carry the load)." Others see him as a change-of-pace back. "A very competitive runner who doesn't like to go down," said Eric DeCosta, Baltimore's director of college scouting. "He fights for yards all the time. If he was there in the second round he'd be excellent value." Wonderlic score of 22.</div> If anyone is interested, this is a GREAT thread to read about some scouts opinions on players in the draft. Some VERY interesting stuff is in this thread, and I HIGHLY suggest reading it, if you are interested in this sort of stuff.... http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index...p;thread=286671
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 25 2008, 08:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your scenario is stupid for several reasons. First, restricted free agency has passed. IOW, the Jets cannot sign Barber. Secondly, all the reports coming out say Jerry wants to trade down; not up. Yeah, say whatever you want to about about pre-draft information. This time, Matt Mosley is saying this. And for anyone who follows the Cowboys, they know about Mosley's accuracy. He predicted Roy Williams, he predicted Terence Newman, he predicted Demarcus Ware, he predicted Bobby Carpenter, and last year he predicted a trade down for Anthony Spencer. Mosley has sources within the Cowboys. As stated in another thread, a lot of his sources went to Miami. But then again, his "king source" is still in Dallas. Mosley has been scary accurate about Dallas' draft the past 6 years or so. He says Jerry is looking to trade the 28 (either in a move down or for a veteran WR) You seem to think we are trading up. Hard decision, really, on who I should believe.... Maybe Mosley changes his tune today. If he does, I'll post his new stuff here. But until he does, its safe to assume McFadden to Dallas isn't happening.</div> Hmmm, how old are you? anyway, this is not stupid, in fact, its completely plausbile given that the Raiders can throw players into the deal. You seem to be hiding behind this Moseley guy like he's your abusive step dad. back away from Moseley....slowly, with your hands in the air.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Apr 25 2008, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Apr 25 2008, 08:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your scenario is stupid for several reasons. First, restricted free agency has passed. IOW, the Jets cannot sign Barber. Secondly, all the reports coming out say Jerry wants to trade down; not up. Yeah, say whatever you want to about about pre-draft information. This time, Matt Mosley is saying this. And for anyone who follows the Cowboys, they know about Mosley's accuracy. He predicted Roy Williams, he predicted Terence Newman, he predicted Demarcus Ware, he predicted Bobby Carpenter, and last year he predicted a trade down for Anthony Spencer. Mosley has sources within the Cowboys. As stated in another thread, a lot of his sources went to Miami. But then again, his "king source" is still in Dallas. Mosley has been scary accurate about Dallas' draft the past 6 years or so. He says Jerry is looking to trade the 28 (either in a move down or for a veteran WR) You seem to think we are trading up. Hard decision, really, on who I should believe.... Maybe Mosley changes his tune today. If he does, I'll post his new stuff here. But until he does, its safe to assume McFadden to Dallas isn't happening.</div> Hmmm, how old are you? anyway, this is not stupid, in fact, its completely plausbile given that the Raiders can throw players into the deal. You seem to be hiding behind this Moseley guy like he's your abusive step dad. back away from Moseley....slowly, with your hands in the air. </div> No, its stupid because your scenario is not possible. The Jets CANNOT sign Barber. The deadline has passed. The. End. Secondly, as I pointed out, Mosley has real sources within Dallas. He has proven this time and time again. He is saying RB at 22 and CB at 28. Hard to disagree with him, really, when he is the one who is talking to members within the organization. He is also on record saying Dallas wants to try and trade down. Last year, he was on record saying Dallas wanted to trade down and take Spencer. Mosley isn't blowing smoke. He isn't a mouthpiece for the organization. Rather, he has a mouthpiece and reports the information.....
