Sam Mitchell

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  1. Kaz

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    How would you rate him as a coach, Im really begining to dislike him, he has no clue on how to coach, for example today against the Cavs, he takes out Calderon for long time, and lets TJ play and when TJ is feeling it and has momentum he takes him out and puts in the Cold Calderon, what is he thinking? I rate him as Horrible!!!
     
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    He's a terrible game manager, but a terrific motivator/character guy.
     
  3. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    I had the exact same complaint while watching the game in a bar. His rotations were so mechanical tonight, when he should've gone with the flow.

    But that just ties into my one big issue with Smitch: he seems incapable of making timely in-game adjustments with this team. It really baffles me. Sometimes the problem at hand will be so blatantly obvious (mainly because the exact same thing will often happen 3 or 4 tims in a row) and he just stands there without a clue. It makes me wonder what his assistant coaches are doing too. I think Sam is an OK coach. He's a good motivator, he's great for developing chemistry and getting the best effort out of developing players. But OK is not good enough for this team. He doesn't put our players in a position to succeed often enough and I'm wondering how great he really is for individual player development.
     
  4. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    btw, sorry about the lack of a game thread tonight, guys. I f'd up on that one.
     
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    Average. He's waaaaay better than this guy was:

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  6. hustler

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  7. shankyoass

    shankyoass Ceci n'est pas une pipe.

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    Sam Mitchell has no clue about what to do on the court. He runs stupid plays (he doesn't have many) and he is a horrible at deciding who should be on the floor. He has a strange obsession with TJ Ford too, which is borderline homo.

    He's a good character, and good at running the team in a relationship standpoint, but when it comes to the game, he's Joey Graham.
    I think they should hire a different coach, but keep Mitchell on the team as an assistant or head office guy.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Mar 21 2008, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I had the exact same complaint while watching the game in a bar. His rotations were so mechanical tonight, when he should've gone with the flow.

    But that just ties into my one big issue with Smitch: he seems incapable of making timely in-game adjustments with this team. It really baffles me. Sometimes the problem at hand will be so blatantly obvious (mainly because the exact same thing will often happen 3 or 4 tims in a row) and he just stands there without a clue. It makes me wonder what his assistant coaches are doing too. I think Sam is an OK coach. He's a good motivator, he's great for developing chemistry and getting the best effort out of developing players. But OK is not good enough for this team. He doesn't put our players in a position to succeed often enough and I'm wondering how great he really is for individual player development.</div>


    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Base @ Mar 22 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sam Mitchell has no clue about what to do on the court. He runs stupid plays (he doesn't have many) and he is a horrible at deciding who should be on the floor. He has a strange obsession with TJ Ford too, which is borderline homo.

    He's a good character, and good at running the team in a relationship standpoint, but when it comes to the game, he's Joey Graham.
    I think they should hire a different coach, but keep Mitchell on the team as an assistant or head office guy.</div>

    Some Blazer fans are starting to feel the same way about the Blazers, Nate McMillian and Jarrett Jack.  Are there better coaches out there though?
     
  9. shankyoass

    shankyoass Ceci n'est pas une pipe.

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    Larry Brown, Lenny Wilkins (danger anyone?), Jeff Van Gundy.

    There's lots out there, but a lot of them are risky. Larry Brown might be too much of a control freak, Lenny Wilkins has won the most ever, but also lost the most, etc.

    If I'm not mistaken, I think Dr. J wanted to coach the Raptors before but we chose Sam instead.

    Point is, there's people out there, it's just if you're willing to take chances and shake things up.
     
  10. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    That's interesting gambit, because I've heard nothing but good things about Nate. He was highly-regarded coming out of Seattle and he has a very young team playing some good, competitive ball (despite their drop-off after the win streak ended). What criticisms do you have of his coaching (I haven't been able to watch him enough times).

    As for what's out there, its a tough question. I was a fan of Iavoroni this past offseason and was kind of upset that our surprisingly early success put Sam in a position where he was given the benefit of the doubt (despite being badly exposed in the playoffs). I'm not a fan of retreads like Wilkens and Brown. Too much baggage and it seems like they bring way too many expectations, given what they've produced lately. I wonder if Colangelo will take the same approach he did with the roster and be the first NBA GM to take a chance on a European/Euroleague coach. There are some legitimate candidates out there, but there's also a whole lot of unknowns too.
     
  11. shookem

    shookem Still not a bust

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    I like Mitchell but I honestly dont think he is fit to coach this team. Like many stated above he simply doesnt know how to make adjustments or just have any defensive strategy, LeBron blew by his defender from the arc a handful of times last night and there was zero help. His substitution patters are awkward and he basically imo is blessed to have CB4 on the team.
     
  13. shookem

    shookem Still not a bust

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    I here your point Mos Def but I'd hardly blame Smitch for Bron being a freak. 29 coaches in the league are all stuck in that situation.
     
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    shookem Still not a bust

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gambitnut @ Mar 22 2008, 02:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Mar 21 2008, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I had the exact same complaint while watching the game in a bar. His rotations were so mechanical tonight, when he should've gone with the flow.

    But that just ties into my one big issue with Smitch: he seems incapable of making timely in-game adjustments with this team. It really baffles me. Sometimes the problem at hand will be so blatantly obvious (mainly because the exact same thing will often happen 3 or 4 tims in a row) and he just stands there without a clue. It makes me wonder what his assistant coaches are doing too. I think Sam is an OK coach. He's a good motivator, he's great for developing chemistry and getting the best effort out of developing players. But OK is not good enough for this team. He doesn't put our players in a position to succeed often enough and I'm wondering how great he really is for individual player development.</div>


    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Base @ Mar 22 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sam Mitchell has no clue about what to do on the court. He runs stupid plays (he doesn't have many) and he is a horrible at deciding who should be on the floor. He has a strange obsession with TJ Ford too, which is borderline homo.

    He's a good character, and good at running the team in a relationship standpoint, but when it comes to the game, he's Joey Graham.
    I think they should hire a different coach, but keep Mitchell on the team as an assistant or head office guy.</div>

    Some Blazer fans are starting to feel the same way about the Blazers, Nate McMillian and Jarrett Jack. Are there better coaches out there though?
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    You gotta think a better developed D league could really help with this issue.
     
  15. Run BJM

    Run BJM Heavy lies the crown. Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Can't say I see much of Sam Mitchell but I think hes a decent coach. Fans always have something to nitpick with their team's coach. I can't stand Nellie's decisions a lot of the time but hes a guy you have to trust based on his record. Hes consistently made chicken salad out of chicken shit his entire career and hasn't coached a lot of losing teams. Mitchell doesn't have that reputation obviously but I don't think hes incompetent like a lot of other coaches around the league.

    Obviously the great coaches will be trusted more but even historically winning coaches like McMillan, Nellie, Adelman, etc. their fans go nuts because of their coaching decisions sometimes. You just have to deal with it.
     
  16. Chutney

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    I think Sam's always benefited greatly from the kind of roster he has. Its not the most talented roster in the league, but its a unique one. A lot of these players have developed outside of the NBA (whether its in the Euroleagues, the national teams, etc.) and don't necessarily need a lot of structure in their offense. Smitch gives them 2-3 set plays and options on offense and trusts the players to understand when and where to use them. And, for the most part, these players have a good enough feel for the game to make the right decisions at the right time.

    That's all well and good, but a head coach can't get by solely by placing most of the responsibility in his players' hands. Eventually, there's situations where Mitchell is counted on to make some sort of adjustment or show some foresight (its a more frequent occurrence over the past season, IMO), and too often he just doesn't make it. I'm talking about substitutions, strategical adjustments, matchups, etc. I can list a bunch after every game, but as an example, the one that's really bugged me lately is how he leaves Jamario Moon in at the end of close games, making us play 4 against 5 on offense. The team is left at a disadvantage because Smitch doesn't realize that Jamario's lack of a jumpshot and hesitancy to drive means that defenses can get up on our other shooters and still have someone left to double Bosh. There are so many more, but it'd take forever to list them all.
     
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    you all make decent points, but my major problem is the fact that late in a game, e subs calderon instead of TJ, guys on the team r gtn comfortable with TJ and after a min he subs in Jose, like come on man

    And to the Blazers fans, they should be proud of themselves, portlan (if it was in the east) is a playoff team and its filled with amazing talent and young players, they should be happy they didnt even have greg and they are managing a successful season.
     
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    Tonight was another emaple of how pathetic this coach is, BC betta make moves this summer!!!! Can anyone make a Fire Smitch thread?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bigkallday @ Apr 2 2008, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tonight was another emaple of how pathetic this coach is, BC betta make moves this summer!!!! Can anyone make a Fire Smitch thread?</div>
    anyone can make a thread, if it succeed is a different story
    sorry i sound like an asshole there but who could be a replacement
    list?
     
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