<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jefferson unlike Marion, can't play PF. And especially in the West. One of the glue guys you allude to would be like Grant Hill? What would happen to him with RJ? Neither can play PF, neither is a good enough shooter to replace Bell. If their goal is to be competitive, they won't make the move. And in terms of long term, it doesn't even save them much money. -Petey</div> Her point was that Amare would be able to play PF with Diop at center. RJ can be a SF. With the $5mm in savings they can get a player like Pietrus or Jones and put Barbosa or Diaw in the starting lineup. Deal made sense to me. Not sure if it makes sense for NJ to risk the near future on Shaq. He limits who they can bring in, but there would be a huge open hole in the payroll in 2010 when Lebron is available. But maybe that was Phoenix's thinking when they took on Shaq. Maybe they dream of an Amare/Lebron pairing? </div> I understand her point. But Marion was their PF. They played him with Amare, Hill, Raja and Nash. Without Shaq, replaced by a cheaper PF or Center (Like Diop), what do they do with Hill or Jefferson? Neither unlike Marion was able to play PF, creating room for another swingman on the floor. So the freed up MLE would need to be spent on a SG and a C/PF? While taking on Jefferson's years? Not sure that's something the Suns would consider. -Petey </div> Petey, all you had to say was that you think a frontline of Shaq, Amare and Grant is better than Diop, Amare, Jefferson.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Petey, all you had to say was that you think a frontline of Shaq, Amare and Grant is better than Diop, Amare, Jefferson.</div> Though, I still stand by my point that Bell is almost their perfect 2-guard. How are you replacing them? -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Petey, all you had to say was that you think a frontline of Shaq, Amare and Grant is better than Diop, Amare, Jefferson.</div> Though, I still stand by my point that Bell is almost their perfect 2-guard. How are you replacing them? -Petey </div> Petey, you have to go back and read. FOMW mentioned using the MLE on a player like James Jones and I mentioned Pietrus. They also have Barbosa. I'm not advocating the trade, just saying it made sense (meaning it wasn't completely off the wall). Everything depends on how Phoenix feels about the Shaq experiment. If they don't like it then I could see them exploring a trade like this.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Petey, all you had to say was that you think a frontline of Shaq, Amare and Grant is better than Diop, Amare, Jefferson.</div> Though, I still stand by my point that Bell is almost their perfect 2-guard. How are you replacing them? -Petey </div> Petey, you have to go back and read. FOMW mentioned using the MLE on a player like James Jones and I mentioned Pietrus. They also have Barbosa. I'm not advocating the trade, just saying it made sense (meaning it wasn't completely off the wall). Everything depends on how Phoenix feels about the Shaq experiment. If they don't like it then I could see them exploring a trade like this. </div> I did read that. But I mentioned that the use of the MLE to replace 2 impact players (SG and a big man) is pretty hard. Let alone finding a guy of Raja's quality. -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I did read that. But I mentioned that the use of the MLE to replace 2 impact players (SG and a big man) is pretty hard. Let alone finding a guy of Raja's quality. -Petey</div> What two players are they using the MLE on? Diop would be signed as part of the trade with the Nets.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I did read that. But I mentioned that the use of the MLE to replace 2 impact players (SG and a big man) is pretty hard. Let alone finding a guy of Raja's quality. -Petey</div> What two players are they using the MLE on? Diop would be signed as part of the trade with the Nets. </div> I wont consider Diop a starter. He wasnt even a starter with the Mavs. -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 10 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I did read that. But I mentioned that the use of the MLE to replace 2 impact players (SG and a big man) is pretty hard. Let alone finding a guy of Raja's quality. -Petey</div> What two players are they using the MLE on? Diop would be signed as part of the trade with the Nets. </div> I wont consider Diop a starter. He wasnt even a starter with the Mavs. -Petey </div> Well I believe that was the concept. Then we are back to the fact you think Shaq, Amare, Grant is better than Diop, Amare, Jefferson. I can see that. It all depends on how the Suns view the Shaq experiment and going away from the fast pace game. Oh, and Diop started the season as the Mavs starter. All of November. Was also the starter when they went to the Finals.
For shits and giggles...only if the Lakers don't win. Trade Vince Carter to the Lakers for Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza Trade for Mike Miller...not sure what the moving pieces would be...probably including Dallas pick and our 2009 first rounder. Let Nenad go or S&T him. Draft best available SG...imo Budinger. PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Mike Miller, Chase Budinger SF: Richard Jefferson, Trevor Ariza PF: Lamar Odom, Sean Williams C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop The great part being that Odom, RJ and Mike Miller would all have there contracts expire given us over 30 million in cap space for Lebron and possibly Wade... Imagine a 2011 team featuring PG: Devin Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Dwayne Wade, Chase Budinger SF: Lebron James, Trevor Ariza PF: Sean Williams, FA signing/2010 draft pick C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop
Speaking of Odom, I seriously doubt the Lakers would do it because of the length of RJ's contract. But I would do a straight up swap of RJ for Odom yesterday. It moves a big chunk of the Nets' talent and salary into a bigger player that can play the 4, and Odom's contract ends in 09. He could be resigned for a reasonable deal, and he's a very versatile player who plays both ends of the floor. From the Lakers perspective, they get more quickness at the 3 with RJ, which I would think would be valuable for them since they are playing two 7 footers at the other frontcourt positions and are going to have trouble containing dribble penetration from quick, agile forwards.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For shits and giggles...only if the Lakers don't win. Trade Vince Carter to the Lakers for Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza Trade for Mike Miller...not sure what the moving pieces would be...probably including Dallas pick and our 2009 first rounder. Let Nenad go or S&T him. Draft best available SG...imo Budinger. PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Mike Miller, Chase Budinger SF: Richard Jefferson, Trevor Ariza PF: Lamar Odom, Sean Williams C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop The great part being that Odom, RJ and Mike Miller would all have there contracts expire given us over 30 million in cap space for Lebron and possibly Wade... Imagine a 2011 team featuring PG: Devin Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Dwayne Wade, Chase Budinger SF: Lebron James, Trevor Ariza PF: Sean Williams, FA signing/2010 draft pick C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop</div> i would cum if that would happen
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher Kobe Bryant Vince Carter Pau Gasol Andrew Bynum I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div> So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For shits and giggles...only if the Lakers don't win. Trade Vince Carter to the Lakers for Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza Trade for Mike Miller...not sure what the moving pieces would be...probably including Dallas pick and our 2009 first rounder. Let Nenad go or S&T him. Draft best available SG...imo Budinger. PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Mike Miller, Chase Budinger SF: Richard Jefferson, Trevor Ariza PF: Lamar Odom, Sean Williams C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop The great part being that Odom, RJ and Mike Miller would all have there contracts expire given us over 30 million in cap space for Lebron and possibly Wade... Imagine a 2011 team featuring PG: Devin Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Dwayne Wade, Chase Budinger SF: Lebron James, Trevor Ariza PF: Sean Williams, FA signing/2010 draft pick C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop</div> i would cum if that would happen </div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 03:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For shits and giggles...only if the Lakers don't win. Trade Vince Carter to the Lakers for Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza Trade for Mike Miller...not sure what the moving pieces would be...probably including Dallas pick and our 2009 first rounder. Let Nenad go or S&T him. Draft best available SG...imo Budinger. PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Mike Miller, Chase Budinger SF: Richard Jefferson, Trevor Ariza PF: Lamar Odom, Sean Williams C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop The great part being that Odom, RJ and Mike Miller would all have there contracts expire given us over 30 million in cap space for Lebron and possibly Wade... Imagine a 2011 team featuring PG: Devin Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Dwayne Wade, Chase Budinger SF: Lebron James, Trevor Ariza PF: Sean Williams, FA signing/2010 draft pick C: Josh Boone, Desanga Diop</div> Now this is an idea thorn should hear about! email him or something.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher Kobe Bryant Vince Carter Pau Gasol Andrew Bynum I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div> So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so. </div> Point your avatar at yourself for missing the obvious sarcasm.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher Kobe Bryant Vince Carter Pau Gasol Andrew Bynum I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div> So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so. </div> Point your avatar at yourself for missing the obvious sarcasm. </div> haha...should've read that more carefully... Dunce for me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher Kobe Bryant Vince Carter Pau Gasol Andrew Bynum I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div> So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so. </div> Point your avatar at yourself for missing the obvious sarcasm. </div> haha...should've read that more carefully... Dunce for me. </div> Umm IMO Odom> RJ
Vince Carter on the Lakers could create a commotion across all B-Ball forums. Imagine Vince fans arguing who is the better of the 2, Kobe or VC. Could the internet survive? -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 11 2008, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher Kobe Bryant Vince Carter Pau Gasol Andrew Bynum I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div> So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so. </div> Point your avatar at yourself for missing the obvious sarcasm. </div> haha...should've read that more carefully... Dunce for me. </div> Umm IMO Odom> RJ </div> When you can tell me where RJ is in the proposed lineup of Fisher Kobe Bryant Vince Carter Pau Gasol Andrew Bynum I'll understand the point of your post
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 11 2008, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 11 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Apr 11 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Derek Fisher Kobe Bryant Vince Carter Pau Gasol Andrew Bynum I bet they could be the 8 seed maybe</div> So losing Odom who is not really a great or consistent SF in favor of Vince Carter would make the Lakers worse? I don't think so. </div> Point your avatar at yourself for missing the obvious sarcasm. </div> haha...should've read that more carefully... Dunce for me. </div> Umm IMO Odom> RJ </div> When you can tell me where RJ is in the proposed lineup of Fisher Kobe Bryant Vince Carter Pau Gasol Andrew Bynum I'll understand the point of your post </div> If vince goes and rj stays i assume rj will be our sg and odom our sf thats all. I think odom is a better sf than Rj.
