<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobe23 @ Mar 30 2008, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Mar 30 2008, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobe23 @ Mar 30 2008, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I feel that we will lose this one again... sigh</div> BS you meant this. ;[ </div> nah... think what you wanna think bro </div> How the hell (no offense) would I know that's sarcasm anyway? I win, bro. :[ Weird psychological crap.
Caron Butler: 17 points, 12 boards, 12 dimes. Nick Young: 27 points on 10/16 shooting. DeShawn Stevenson: 27 points on 8/12 from deep. Kobe Bryant: 26 points, 4 boards, 13 dimes, game winning FT's. Luke Walton: 19 points, 6 boards, a lot of key plays. Vladimir Radmanovic: 18 points on 7/11 shooting. Sasha Vujacic: 20 points on 6/9 shooting, and two ice cold FT's to secure the win. Lamar Odom: 10 points, 13 boards, 7 dimes.
Lol kobe23 is one of them flip flopping Laker fans, I think he might belong over at LG. Tough game for Kobe tonight, but he was big on the dimes, getting the offense started, finding the open man. He should've had about 6+ more points, depending on if they called the fouls that he deserved.
I'm very impressed with Nick Young though. That kid is going to be a straight up baller one day in the league. Can you believe he and Jordan used to be at similar levels? It certainly doesn't look that way in the pros. Seriously, Farmar (and Fisher) have been stinking up the joint for the past month. When healthy, if there is one weakness on this team (besides lack of experience), it's going to be point guard play. Neither can play any defense
Whew, boy did we need that one badly. Great game by a bunch of the guys, 'specially Sasha, Mbenga, Radman, and Luke. Our defense is a huge concern right now though, I'm hoping when we get our two 7 footers back, it'll solve our problems a little bit. Nick Young is a baller though man, maybe Gilbert wasn't lying when he said that cat looks like a young Kobe Bryant. I'd be excited to see how he'll be 5-7 years from now. Farmar has been struggling, I hope he gets it together soon. I was LOL'ing when Stu was like "What is Jordan DOING?"
Damn illmatic. Your posts are like a breath of fresh air. lol. You better stick around. Wait until we get Shapecity back. The Lakers forum will be rocking
Yo what up Brian, I can't tell you how good it is to be back. Nice to be appreciated and find real Lakers fans yet again. I'm done with LG, that place is filled with the most ridiculous and retarded fans ever. Sports Two is really active, I had no idea you guys got 11 page Game Threads going, that's freakin' awesome. Mamba been keepin' this place running smooth.
And Mamba ain't a mod anymore I didn't agree with S2's views, but whatever. I can just post away . What did you think of Kobe's shot being off tonight? His came over all?/
Oh, that sucks man, you deserve that Mod spot. Well, my take on Kobe might upset you a little. I'm not the HUUGE Kobe fanatic as I was....or maybe it's just that there was soooooo many Kobe homers on LG that felt Kobe can do no wrong that's made me less of a fan, but I just can't STAND how he bitches and whines now more than ever. I know the refs miss some fouls on him, but hey he gets his fair share of superstar calls too, he needs to chill on that shit. What really upsets me is Kobe's shot selection and his obsession with the 3 point shot. You would think the most talented guy in the league would make better decisions in his 12th season. Also, I question his leadership late in the game, by that I mean, I hate how he gives dirty looks to Luke, Sasha, or Ronny when they make a turnover very late in the game. Instead, I wish he would just like smack them on the ass and be like "HEY, don't worry about it, we got a game to win, let's do this" Now I know what you're going to say, they're professionals, grown men, etc....but playing with the best player in the WORLD, is only 14 other players can say...so I don't care that they are professionals, playing with Kobe Bryant can be initimidating, and I just wish late in the 4th, he'd be more supportive, then give dirty looks 'n shit. I know this is being too sensitive but I think it would make the team play better and feel more confident. Besides that, Kobe is Kobe....being the greatest you should be able to love the dude, while being able to criticize him on certain points...he gets no special treatment from me in that department...the man is still my favorite player ever.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (illmatic @ Mar 31 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh, that sucks man, you deserve that Mod spot. Well, my take on Kobe might upset you a little. I'm not the HUUGE Kobe fanatic as I was....or maybe it's just that there was soooooo many Kobe homers on LG that felt Kobe can do no wrong that's made me less of a fan, but I just can't STAND how he bitches and whines now more than ever. I know the refs miss some fouls on him, but hey he gets his fair share of superstar calls too, he needs to chill on that shit. What really upsets me is Kobe's shot selection and his obsession with the 3 point shot. You would think the most talented guy in the league would make better decisions in his 12th season. Also, I question his leadership late in the game, by that I mean, I hate how he gives dirty looks to Luke, Sasha, or Ronny when they make a turnover very late in the game. Instead, I wish he would just like smack them on the ass and be like "HEY, don't worry about it, we got a game to win, let's do this" Now I know what you're going to say, they're professionals, grown men, etc....but playing with the best player in the WORLD, is only 14 other players can say...so I don't care that they are professionals, playing with Kobe Bryant can be initimidating, and I just wish late in the 4th, he'd be more supportive, then give dirty looks 'n shit. I know this is being too sensitive but I think it would make the team play better and feel more confident. Besides that, Kobe is Kobe....being the greatest you should be able to love the dude, while being able to criticize him on certain points...he gets no special treatment from me in that department...the man is still my favorite player ever.</div> Some fair points except the 3 point shot. He needs it to stretch defenses and get them to unclog the Lane. 35% is good.
Also, I kinda ignored your question on Kobe tonight....tonight was just a case of having an off night. I mean, he had some real nice looks at the basket and the ones he missed in the paint tonight he usually ALWAYS makes. He didn't jack up too many 3-pointers, so that's really good to see. As long as he takes quality shots, make or miss, I can definitely be happy with that. Few too many fade-away jump shots though tonight. But then again, when he was taking it to the hole, the refs weren't calling the fouls, so he got kinda screwed tonight. I was proud when he trusted his teammates on the last shot and gave it to Fisher. I think that's a real good thing to have late in the game with 10 seconds left and Lakers going for the win. Did you notice how they ALL collapsed on Kobe and completely ignored Fisher, that's what's going to happen because of Kobe's late game clutchness. So if he keeps doing that, we'll be good late in the game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Mar 31 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Some fair points except the 3 point shot. He needs it to stretch defenses and get them to unclog the Lane. 35% is good.</div> Nah, sorry huevon, you got it twisted on this one. THE 3-point shot stretches the defense, NOT Kobe chucking up 3 pointers at his will. When you space the floor and have like Radman on the wing, Sasha at the corner on the weak side, then that spaces the floor for the Triangle offense. Especially if you go inside out (which the Lakers can't do without Pau and Bynum). Kobe's 3's are different then other Lakers shooting up 3's And you gotta realize, Kobe shooting 3's sets the table for others into thing it's okay to always settle for the 3. There were NUMEROUS plays tonight that would have resulted in a 3 point shot, instead they pump faked and took it in. Anyone else notice that? I noticed Jordan did that, Lamar did it, Fish, etc... which is good. One more thing...Kobe shooting 3's is ok with me when he's feeling it and really has the hot hand.. But if it's off and he isn't shooting it well, I hate him shooting 3's, it just leads to quick transition for the other team (GS being a good example)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (illmatic @ Mar 31 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh, that sucks man, you deserve that Mod spot. Well, my take on Kobe might upset you a little. I'm not the HUUGE Kobe fanatic as I was....or maybe it's just that there was soooooo many Kobe homers on LG that felt Kobe can do no wrong that's made me less of a fan, but</div> LG is so John Kerry about Kobe. On a win, they love him, on a loss, off with his head! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I just can't STAND how he bitches and whines now more than ever. I know the refs miss some fouls on him, but hey he gets his fair share of superstar calls too, he needs to chill on that shit.</div> I completely agree here. He does bitch a lot. I can understand on some of them, but bitching only alienates the refs from him, and decreases the likelihood that they give him a bail out call later in the game, and eventually, later in the season...as we are seeing, now. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What really upsets me is Kobe's shot selection and his obsession with the 3 point shot. You would think the most talented guy in the league would make better decisions in his 12th season.</div> I don't mind the 3 point shot if it's in the flow of the offense. I hate when he takes beyond the arc, during the heat of a run, 3's. They often clank off the back iron, and damage our run. When he makes those, though, it's nice...but I think he needs to cut that out. I pretty much agree with you on this point. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, I question his leadership late in the game, by that I mean, I hate how he gives dirty looks to Luke, Sasha, or Ronny when they make a turnover very late in the game. Instead, I wish he would just like smack them on the ass and be like "HEY, don't worry about it, we got a game to win, let's do this" Now I know what you're going to say, they're professionals, grown men, etc....but playing with the best player in the WORLD, is only 14 other players can say...so I don't care that they are professionals, playing with Kobe Bryant can be initimidating, and I just wish late in the 4th, he'd be more supportive, then give dirty looks 'n shit. I know this is being too sensitive but I think it would make the team play better and feel more confident.</div> Eh, I don't know if I agree here. I understand he can be intimidating, but MJ was just as, if not more, intimidating. Towards the end of the game, his love for the game and his desire to win really comes out. I've seen him shoot looks of death plenty of times, but I've also seen him pumping up his guys on the bench a lot this year. There is one specific moment this year that really stands out to me, is when he told Sasha to just keep shooting, he has all the confidence in the world in him, and shooting is what he does. I don't care when he gets into Luke...Luke is a bonehead, IMO. I hate when he's in the game during the clutch because more often than not, he screws up. Tonight, he was huge. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Besides that, Kobe is Kobe....being the greatest you should be able to love the dude, while being able to criticize him on certain points...he gets no special treatment from me in that department...the man is still my favorite player ever.</div> I actually, pretty much share your same views on Kobe. There isn't a player in the NBA I'd take over him. He'll find his shot again, especially with the off day tomorrow and then the light practice Tuesday. He'll be able to give his hand and ankle some rest. Get off his feet, which should help him find his elevation on his J. When Gasol gets back, I'm sure his shooting % will sky rocket...and with Bynum, things can only get better. He'll be able to save his legs for the 4th.
Yeah, one thing is for damn certain, Kobe is the hardest worker, I have no doubt he'll be in the gym working on his jump shot the days he goes 7-24. Like I said, it's not so much his shot being off, it's more so his shot selection. And yeah Mamba, forget what I said on leadership, I don't know why I feel bad for the guys, I probably shouldn't. Kobe should have the right to get mad at his teammates because Kobe is the hardest worker, but then at times I just wish he would make them feel just a tad bit more confident when they **** up instead of make them feel like complete idiots
Kobe tends to force a lot of 3's, especially during runs or comebacks. When he has a hot hand, I don't mind the heat check three that he usually takes, but like I said, the 3's that get to me are the ones he takes that are during comebacks and runs because they are usually early in the shot clock, forced, and too strong. I think illmatic was talking about the 3's that he creates, not the 3's that come within the offense, Huevon.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (illmatic @ Mar 31 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, I question his leadership late in the game, by that I mean, I hate how he gives dirty looks to Luke, Sasha, or Ronny when they make a turnover very late in the game. Instead, I wish he would just like smack them on the ass and be like "HEY, don't worry about it, we got a game to win, let's do this"</div> Thats Kobe's Killer attitude and instincts on the floor doing the talking. I see nothing wrong with it. If he sets you up and you screw up, or you jack up a shot when he's open, or turn the ball over in the final minutes in a tight game, you'd bet I'd give you a mouthful too. This aint pee wee basketball. This is the NBA. Pats on the back when every game counts don't agree with me. In the pre-season, sure... Kobe shouldn't be staring down his teammates. In the hunt for a good seed before the playoffs, especially with the field so damn tight... Hell yeah Kobe.. Do you thing. Let them know exactly how you feel. In the playoffs its time to Man up. As far as Im concerned, the playoffs have already started in the West... Go Kobe!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Mar 31 2008, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe tends to force a lot of 3's, especially during runs or comebacks. When he has a hot hand, I don't mind the heat check three that he usually takes, but like I said, the 3's that get to me are the ones he takes that are during comebacks and runs because they are usually early in the shot clock, forced, and too strong. I think illmatic was talking about the 3's that he creates, not the 3's that come within the offense, Huevon.</div> Yeah, exactly how I feel too. I think Phil really grilled into them after the 45 3 pointers last game. Like I was saying, a lot of plays today that the players would have settled for the 3 like in previous games, they didn't tonight and took it in instead, which is good. (Sasha and Radman I would still like them to shoot the 3's though)
On their 3's today, at least in the first half, we were working from the inside-out, compared to last game. In the second half, we got away from that though, and it almost killed us. I'd like to see consistency. I'd also like to see Vlad and Sasha on the court, at the same time when every one is healthy. I think a lineup of Sasha, Kobe, Vlad, Gasol, Bynum--as a change of pace lineup, could be so deadly, for a small amount of time. To start the 2nd, or something like that. Gasol and Bynum kicking out to Vlad and Sasha, with Kobe driving and lobbing, or driving and kicking...absolutely ill. I think this lineup would be effective in 5 minute spurts, or so. I also noticed Farmar barely saw any PT tonight. Maybe Phil has realized that the leash on him needs to be a lot more strict.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Trench @ Mar 31 2008, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (illmatic @ Mar 31 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, I question his leadership late in the game, by that I mean, I hate how he gives dirty looks to Luke, Sasha, or Ronny when they make a turnover very late in the game. Instead, I wish he would just like smack them on the ass and be like "HEY, don't worry about it, we got a game to win, let's do this"</div> Thats Kobe's Killer attitude and instincts on the floor doing the talking. I see nothing wrong with it. If he sets you up and you screw up, or you jack up a shot when he's open, or turn the ball over in the final minutes in a tight game, you'd bet I'd give you a mouthful too. This aint pee wee basketball. This is the NBA. Pats on the back when every game counts don't agree with me. In the pre-season, sure... Kobe shouldn't be staring down his teammates. In the hunt for a good seed before the playoffs, especially with the field so damn tight... Hell yeah Kobe.. Do you thing. Let them know exactly how you feel. In the playoffs its time to Man up. As far as Im concerned, the playoffs have already started in the West... Go Kobe! </div> Hey trench, good to see you're still around too....yeah, trust me I totally agree with you guys on this, and I'm not saying go from a Michael Jordan attitude to a Steve Nash attitude about it, but I think you can still have the Killer instint and attitude and not give the dirty looks or cuss them out. I wonder if Jordan wasn't like that, if people would still feel the same way about it. The reason I even bring this up, is because our team is real young. We don't have the luxury of having a bunch of veterans, so you're not necessarily treating them like little kids when you pat them on the back, you can still make them tougher without the dirty looks and cussin them out. It's just that Kobe makes mistakes too sometimes late in the game, and he has to understand that it happens. And don't get me wrong, if any of the Lakers are at fault on DEFENSE, then they deserve to be scolded by Kobe. And also, we have a coach to call people out and yell at them, so I just want Phil to do scolding and let Kobe talk to them and get their head back in the game. I don't really want to drag this topic on forever, I totally know wehre you guys are coming from
