dude, you WOULD see the difference if frank played him. he HAS a decent jumpshot. tell me Jason collins Blocked many shots. had at least 5 points a game, 3 rebounds and a .518 FG%. wow you ppl are blind, i know you all feel bad for him. but collins better than this ? <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/MdFy7fODnQo&hl=pt-br"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/MdFy7fODnQo&hl=pt-br" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> Conversation Over.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Apr 2 2008, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dude, you WOULD see the difference if frank played him. he HAS a decent jumpshot. tell me Jason collins Blocked many shots. had at least 5 points a game, 3 rebounds and a .518 FG%. wow you ppl are blind, i know you all feel bad for him. but collins better than this ? Conversation Over.</div> Wow... you miss the concept of a team and defense being more than just blocks. No need to feel bad for Collins. That was a very interesting stat about Memphis.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 2 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Apr 2 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Apr 2 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nets need Jason Collins now more than ever. Stromile Swift is redundant. At least Collins can play defense AND co-ordinate the other 4 guys on defense.</div> DUMBEST POST OF THE DAY ABSOLUTLY CRAZY. wow. jason collins ? the hack-a-collins guy ? the guy who could NEVER post a point, or block or rebound. the guy that got us cursing him in the espn/sportstwo (im sure) boards about his speed and playing 4 vs. 5 All the Time. cmon man. thats crazy </div> Over the past 20 games, the Grizzlies are 5-8 when Collins plays more than 10 minutes. They are 0-7 when he plays less than 10 minutes. They are 19-55 overall. </div> Wow, just a ridiculous, utterly meaningless stat, I hope u were kidding with that. By that ratio, they really should just play him 48 minutes every night, and the Nets should've, too. Who cares if he was literally the worst starting player in modern history. That made me laugh, so thanks, you made my day. Getting rid of Collins was one of the only bright spots to the season. If someone were to ask me at the beginning of the year "you can either make the playoffs and lose in the first round, or miss the playoffs and get rid of Collins forever," I'd have taken scenario 2 in a effin' heartbeat.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Apr 2 2008, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nets need Jason Collins now more than ever. Stromile Swift is redundant. At least Collins can play defense AND co-ordinate the other 4 guys on defense.</div> umm.. collins minutes went down every game and the nets wer still a bad defensive team with him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 2 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Apr 2 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>curious, who were the 5 teams they beat?</div> Lakers, Sacramento, Charlotte, Knicks, and the Nets. </div> the bolded team is the only team above .500 in that group
The Nets dont need Collins, but he would be preferable because of his contract compared to Swift. And lol @ those who say Swift has a jumpshot.
look, collins for swift was pointless but it wouldnt not mean the nets would be better or worse then they are now so its SO pointless arguing about it. just give it up, plz.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Apr 2 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets dont need Collins, but he would be preferable because of his contract compared to Swift. And lol @ those who say Swift has a jumpshot.</div> what the hell are you talking about? collins contract was slightly larger, they are the same lenght, and there is a chance swift will opt out which will free up 6 mil for the nets that they wouldn't have had otherwise. it most likely wont make much of a difference but if there is any difference swift's contract >>> collins' contract for the nets.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Apr 2 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets dont need Collins, but he would be preferable because of his contract compared to Swift. And lol @ those who say Swift has a jumpshot.</div> If there was one reason I'd rather have Swift, it'd be his contract.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Apr 2 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets dont need Collins, but he would be preferable because of his contract compared to Swift. And lol @ those who say Swift has a jumpshot.</div> lol at least ive seen him score on two jumpshots the 2 minutes and 23 seconds ive seen swift play. hmmm lets think of the last time collins scored on a jumpshot
I think it'd be wise to keep in mind that Swift isn't a horrible player, but what he brings to the table (or doesn't) doesn't make him an optimal fit here. He's quick getting to the basket, but that is rarely used because there are other, more favorable options, available. What Swift really needs to bring is a dedication to defense, and rebounding. Too often Swift is compared to Collins as to whom is the overall better player, but I think we should be focusing on what the team needs from each person instead. So while Swift may be "better" in the sense he'd beat Jason Collins in a game of 1 on 1, a lot of his improvements should be made moot, because that's not what the Nets need out of him. Collins on the other hand was a better post defender, and boxed out (watch Stro and Sean, who just watch the shot in mid air and don't fight for position until it hits the rim), but some of his ineptitudes (offense, FT shooting) made him a liability, too. So in the context of the New Jersey Nets I think Stromile Swift is better at basketball at Jason Collins, yet there is no large overall improvement to this team post-trade.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Apr 2 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Apr 2 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets dont need Collins, but he would be preferable because of his contract compared to Swift. And lol @ those who say Swift has a jumpshot.</div> lol at least ive seen him score on two jumpshots the 2 minutes and 23 seconds ive seen swift play. hmmm lets think of the last time collins scored on a jumpshot </div> Oh wow! Like Collins' was asked to be a scorer! Oh my God, and you are right! Hitting two consecutive jumpshots even after bricking most of the others definitely says he has a jumpshot! OMG!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Apr 2 2008, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it'd be wise to keep in mind that Swift isn't a horrible player, but what he brings to the table (or doesn't) doesn't make him an optimal fit here. He's quick getting to the basket, but that is rarely used because there are other, more favorable options, available. What Swift really needs to bring is a dedication to defense, and rebounding. Too often Swift is compared to Collins as to whom is the overall better player, but I think we should be focusing on what the team needs from each person instead. So while Swift may be "better" in the sense he'd beat Jason Collins in a game of 1 on 1, a lot of his improvements should be made moot, because that's not what the Nets need out of him. Collins on the other hand was a better post defender, and boxed out (watch Stro and Sean, who just watch the shot in mid air and don't fight for position until it hits the rim), but some of his ineptitudes (offense, FT shooting) made him a liability, too. So in the context of the New Jersey Nets I think Stromile Swift is better at basketball at Jason Collins, yet there is no large overall improvement to this team post-trade.</div> DING!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Apr 2 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Apr 2 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets dont need Collins, but he would be preferable because of his contract compared to Swift. And lol @ those who say Swift has a jumpshot.</div> lol at least ive seen him score on two jumpshots the 2 minutes and 23 seconds ive seen swift play. hmmm lets think of the last time collins scored on a jumpshot </div> I feel like I've done this before. 10/32, 31% from the outside. 13/38, 34% from a little closer in, either in the paint or close to the paint. For argument's sake, 90/146 62% right around the rim. Doesn't sound like that great of a jumpshot to me. Look it up for yourself.
fine, you could all ride collins and go to memphis, pray and shout his name to call him back so he could give us that beautiful defence that he gave to the nets. GO COLLINS ! *waiting for stats*
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Apr 3 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>fine, you could all ride collins and go to memphis, pray and shout his name to call him back so he could give us that beautiful defence that he gave to the nets. GO COLLINS ! *waiting for stats*</div> i think no one should respond to you ever again, because you *********** have missed the focus of where this thread went.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Apr 2 2008, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>swift > collins. if frank A.) played him, and B.) used him correctly, it would become quite obvious.</div> So you are saying Stro's problem is that he has never been used correctly in his NBA career?
