<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 4 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 4 2008, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 4 2008, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Apr 4 2008, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Whats the Point in GETTING SWIFT IF YOURE NOT GONNA PLAY HIM.</div> It was a financial move, not a basketball move. Stro makes a little less than Twin per season. Additionally, with Stro having a player option, there is the slimmest of chances that the Nets could convince him to opt out. Trading for Stro was never about giving him playing time with the Nets </div> He's also a slightly more tradeable commodity than Twin in a package. </div> Why do you guys assume it was a financial move? The savings is minimal, while Thorn has been rumored to have looked at him in the draft, than rumored he would be offered a MLE type deal the season following KMart's departure. -Petey </div> Because we know Ratner is cheap and we know that Stro sucks
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 4 2008, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do you guys assume it was a financial move? The savings is minimal, while Thorn has been rumored to have looked at him in the draft, than rumored he would be offered a MLE type deal the season following KMart's departure. -Petey</div> Yeah, that's what led me to think that Swift might get some decent playing time in NJ but that's not how it turned out obviously. The chances he opts out are minimal but not playing him is a good way to try to make him do it. We'll see...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 4 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do you guys assume it was a financial move? The savings is minimal, while Thorn has been rumored to have looked at him in the draft, than rumored he would be offered a MLE type deal the season following KMart's departure. -Petey</div> Pre-Kidd Trade, it brought us a little more room to keep us under the luxury tax.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 4 2008, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 4 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do you guys assume it was a financial move? The savings is minimal, while Thorn has been rumored to have looked at him in the draft, than rumored he would be offered a MLE type deal the season following KMart's departure. -Petey</div> Pre-Kidd Trade, it brought us a little more room to keep us under the luxury tax. </div> Yes, but everyone seems to be missing out on how Thorn was interested in the draft, and as a FA. Swift is the only dead weight in the league someone would have swapped for Colllins? I find that hard to beleive. -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 4 2008, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 4 2008, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 4 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do you guys assume it was a financial move? The savings is minimal, while Thorn has been rumored to have looked at him in the draft, than rumored he would be offered a MLE type deal the season following KMart's departure. -Petey</div> Pre-Kidd Trade, it brought us a little more room to keep us under the luxury tax. </div> Yes, but everyone seems to be missing out on how Thorn was interested in the draft, and as a FA. Swift is the only dead weight in the league someone would have swapped for Colllins? I find that hard to beleive. -Petey </div> Possibly. They had similar contracts, and Memphis's coach was having problems with Swift. No one else really sees Collins' value but Frank. Thorn/Kiki should've known Swift wouldn't get that many minutes with Frank, anyways. If not, then that's just poor front office-coach communication.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 4 2008, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 4 2008, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 4 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do you guys assume it was a financial move? The savings is minimal, while Thorn has been rumored to have looked at him in the draft, than rumored he would be offered a MLE type deal the season following KMart's departure. -Petey</div> Pre-Kidd Trade, it brought us a little more room to keep us under the luxury tax. </div> Yes, but everyone seems to be missing out on how Thorn was interested in the draft, and as a FA. Swift is the only dead weight in the league someone would have swapped for Colllins? I find that hard to beleive. -Petey </div> Actually Thorn's past interest in Stro was talked about when the trade rumors first started. But that still doesn't overcome the fact that Stro sucks and is useless for a winning team. Now if your position is that Thorn traded for Stro to help the team's lottery position and Frank isn't playing him, then you might be onto something
Swift is more tradeable than Collins. The Swift trade was good for the Nets imo even if Swift doesn't opt out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Apr 4 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift is more tradeable than Collins. The Swift trade was good for the Nets imo even if Swift doesn't opt out.</div> How? They both make 6.2 mil next year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Apr 4 2008, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Apr 4 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift is more tradeable than Collins. The Swift trade was good for the Nets imo even if Swift doesn't opt out.</div> How? They both make 6.2 mil next year. </div> Swift can contribute to a team more than Jason Collins can, Jason Collins is best suited as a 3rd or 4th string center. Swift can play PF or C, and is just a better overall basketball player at this point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Apr 4 2008, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Apr 4 2008, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Apr 4 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift is more tradeable than Collins. The Swift trade was good for the Nets imo even if Swift doesn't opt out.</div> How? They both make 6.2 mil next year. </div> Swift can contribute to a team more than Jason Collins can, Jason Collins is best suited as a 3rd or 4th string center. Swift can play PF or C, and is just a better overall basketball player at this point. </div> Answer me this: which player of those 2 started on a team that went to the Finals?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Apr 4 2008, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Apr 4 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift is more tradeable than Collins. The Swift trade was good for the Nets imo even if Swift doesn't opt out.</div> How? They both make 6.2 mil next year. </div> I believe Swift is more tradeable because: 1. He has better numbers (career-wise). He has more perceived value as a career 9/5 guy than a 4/4 guy. 2. He makes less money than Collins. 3. "Potential" - He's younger, more "athletic" and has that "former #2 pick" tag on him - which is similar to the "former All-Star" tag that Jamal Magloire had.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rory @ Apr 5 2008, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Apr 4 2008, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Apr 4 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift is more tradeable than Collins. The Swift trade was good for the Nets imo even if Swift doesn't opt out.</div> How? They both make 6.2 mil next year. </div> I believe Swift is more tradeable because: 1. He has better numbers (career-wise). He has more perceived value as a career 9/5 guy than a 4/4 guy. 2. He makes less money than Collins. 3. "Potential" - He's younger, more "athletic" and has that "former #2 pick" tag on him - which is similar to the "former All-Star" tag that Jamal Magloire had. </div> Wrong. As for being better? Swift would beat him one on one, but Swift is all stats, and Collins is all defense. Hard to measure against each other.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 4 2008, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 4 2008, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 4 2008, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 4 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do you guys assume it was a financial move? The savings is minimal, while Thorn has been rumored to have looked at him in the draft, than rumored he would be offered a MLE type deal the season following KMart's departure. -Petey</div> Pre-Kidd Trade, it brought us a little more room to keep us under the luxury tax. </div> Yes, but everyone seems to be missing out on how Thorn was interested in the draft, and as a FA. Swift is the only dead weight in the league someone would have swapped for Colllins? I find that hard to beleive. -Petey </div> Actually Thorn's past interest in Stro was talked about when the trade rumors first started. But that still doesn't overcome the fact that Stro sucks and is useless for a winning team. </div> This trade seems more like one of Kiki's "Fallen Angel" acquisitions than anything else. Thorn's past interest in Swift might have greased the wheels, but it seems to me that Kiki would jump at the chance to trade a player he considers useless for a guy who was considered an elite prospect and never panned out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Apr 5 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>how much under the cap are we if swift opt outs?</div> Stro is going to make 6 and change next year, and I'm 93% sure we're more than that over the cap, so I'm going to say zero (we're under the luxury tax threshold).
