josh howard isnt 6'5"... wtf? lol out of all the post i pick that out hahah! but rj has definately improved... look he isnt our major problem... our major problem is our COACH... thats it!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 6 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 6 2008, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 6 2008, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, a 27-year-old who's averaging 22.8 surely sucks. You think his rebounding might have dropped off because of what he is being asked to do this year (more perimeter scoring maybe)? Nah. He's lazy. Funny, how the statistical "analysis" didn't take into account his three-point shooting which is at 37.3% this year, compared to 31.9% in 2005-06. Nor did it note that he has played in all 77 games and if he plays in all 82, it will be the first time in his career that he's done that since 2003-04. He will also post career high in minutes played and wind up the season with the fourth most points in Nets history. And My God, his turnovers have gone up 0.24 per game. Why, that amounts to one additional turnover every four games! Shocking...and with a new point guard for the past 24 games. His defense has fallen off. Not mentioned but it should have been. He aint the problem and this is tiresome.</div> RJ doesn't play defense. RJ doesn't rebound as much. Defense has been a huge problem for this team. Therefore, RJ is part of the problem. </div> Honestly I thought the problem was that we couldn't score more than 90 PPG til after the trade deadline. </div> http://www.nba.com/nets/schedule/ In some of those games, our defense was enough to carry us to a win without scoring +90 points. Other games, we were inconsistent, no one (including RJ, Vince, Nads, Kidd, Boki) played defense, and in turn we allowed teams to contain us. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Apr 6 2008, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HakeemTheDreamYao @ Apr 6 2008, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I remember someone saying RJ was one-dimensional and everyone disagreed with him and calling him names and then he got banned for some reason. </div> Now who was that? Hmm... </div> The same guy who said Carmelo was one-dimensional
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 6 2008, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerseyNets687 @ Apr 6 2008, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 6 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerseyNets687 @ Apr 6 2008, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 6 2008, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerseyNets687 @ Apr 6 2008, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 6 2008, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, a 27-year-old who's averaging 22.8 surely sucks. You think his rebounding might have dropped off because of what he is being asked to do this year (more perimeter scoring maybe)? Nah. He's lazy. Funny, how the statistical "analysis" didn't take into account his three-point shooting which is at 37.3% this year, compared to 31.9% in 2005-06. Nor did it note that he has played in all 77 games and if he plays in all 82, it will be the first time in his career that he's done that since 2003-04. He will also post career high in minutes played and wind up the season with the fourth most points in Nets history. And My God, his turnovers have gone up 0.24 per game. Why, that amounts to one additional turnover every four games! Shocking...and with a new point guard for the past 24 games. His defense has fallen off. Not mentioned but it should have been. He aint the problem and this is tiresome.</div> I mentioned his defense. As far as turnovers when you factor in he's getting an assist less per game his turnovers should have gone down. And as for his 3 point shooting yeah it's improved but when his FG% goes down and his FT% goes down that still doesn't make up for it. I don't care if RJ is scoring more either 4 rebounds is pathetic for a tall athletic small forward. </div> 1) RJ is 6'7...that isn't tall for a small forward. 2) RJ's FG% is up from last year and the fact that it's lower than his first few years can be attributed to the fact that he had no jumper when he came in the league so the majority of his points came from layups and dunks whereas now he has a solid jumper and is a threat from 3 point range. 3) Assist to Turnover ratios matter more for PGs...not as much for SF and SG. The reality is in this offense when he gets the ball in his hands he is looking to score and passing off of drives which tend to be more difficult passes 4) He's a shade under 80% at the FT line with over 650 attempts! ARE YOU SERIOUS! </div> RJ is 6'7" true but he's one of the few NBA players who's listings aren't exaggerated so yes he is tall for a SF and he's athletic too plus 6'5" Josh Howard is getting 7 boards per game so RJ should be doing more on the glass. His scoring is fine but he hasn't become more efficient than 05'-06' and the rest of his game has fallen off. I mentioned his defense falling off, any way you put it 4 rebounds per game is pathetic and considering he doesn't make plays for his teammates all he does now is score/shoot. He is one dimensional now which is strange because he was so well rounded a few years ago. Great scorer there is no denying that but that is all he does. </div> His defense has dropped off...not gonna dispute that. Most small forwards...T-Mac, Paul Pierce averge 5 rebounds a game...so RJ just needs to improve slightly there. reality is that offensively he is more efficient. 3P% is way up and the fact that through 77 games he has attempted over 70 more FT than he did in 05-06 which account alot for his .25% FG % difference. </div> T-Mac is mostly a 2 guard and he plays with much better rebounders than RJ does. Tracy plays with Mutombo, Yao(most of the season), Scola, Hayes, Landry ect. and Pierce plays with many great rebounders and he plays fewer minutes than RJ. 4 boards per game on a team with weak rebounders is bad anyway you put it. </div> Josh Boone is averaging 8.5 as a starter...better than any player not named Garnett or Yao. </div> Yeah but Perkins is over 6 per game in limited minutes, Leon Powe rebounds very well when he gets minutes. As for Houston Carl Landy averages 5 rpg in 17 mpg, Chuck Hayes gets 5 rpg in under 20 mpg and Mutombo gets 6.6 rpg as a starter in just over 20 mpg. Those teams have a lot of good rebounders splitting minutes. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Apr 6 2008, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>josh howard isnt 6'5"... wtf? lol out of all the post i pick that out hahah! but rj has definately improved... look he isnt our major problem... our major problem is our COACH... thats it!</div> Frank is obviously a huge problem putting 6-8, 235 Sean Williams on 7-2 321 Shaq and Nachbar on Amare in that Suns game....WTF he has Diop one of the closest players to Shaq's size and a good defender and he uses Sean on Shaq? And yes Howard is 6'5" he measured that height at the pre-draft camp years ago and NBA.com has him at 6-5, 210 http://www.nba.com/playerfile/josh_howard/index.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2006 6'7" and sean is 6'10" http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3239 and yes i agree with frank not playin diop vs shaq... i made a comment on this during the game thread... im telling you... our biggest problem is frank... b4 we worry bout free agents, draft picks, trades... we need a new coach...!!!
basketball reference also lists Josh Howard as 6'7, and JVG said in today's Dallas game that a line up of Damp/Dirk/Howard was a tall lineup.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Apr 6 2008, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2006 6'7" and sean is 6'10" http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3239 and yes i agree with frank not playin diop vs shaq... i made a comment on this during the game thread... im telling you... our biggest problem is frank... b4 we worry bout free agents, draft picks, trades... we need a new coach...!!!</div> Sean Williams is 6'8". He's slightly shorter than Boki and just as tall as RJ
wtf... i always thought he was 6'10" even in draft day... they had him listed at 6'10"... damn that means in the nba im like 6'3"
I rather see an all-around RJ with defense than a RJ who shoots the 3 better and averages more points, more games .. whatever.. I just miss the guy who rebounds passes the ball, defends and play more team ball. Yes, the problem is the whole team including the coach. RJ is part of the team. BUT do not put all the blame on him, its not like if he played more all-rounded the team would win.
lol, it seems that it is a given for NBA players to often be listed a bit taller than they really are, i think i read somewhere that the measurements are taken with their basketball shoes on....but there doesn't seem to be consistency...for example Kidd looks shorter than 6'4" but Krstic seems to be a true 7 footer
Kidd measured 6'3" when he was drafted and Howard is 6'5" he just looks taller because of his wingspan he was probably originally billed as 6'7" to get more interest as a prospect. spartannj they give players the option of choosing to be listed at their barefoot height or height in shoes. That's why when Shaq and Ilgauskas stood next to eachother a few years ago for the all star portrait they were the same height. Regarding Sean Williams height Marv Albert has pointed out Sean being much shorter than his listed height many times. Krstic I know was closer to 6'11" when he was drafted but I read in Sports Illustrated that he grew an inch and he is around 7 feet now. Back to the topic I am not trying to put all the blame on RJ for the season I am just pointing out that contrary to popular belief RJ is not having a career season and he was much better in 05'-06'. Sure there is plenty of blame to go around for example Vince Carter needed to be the aggressive first option he's been the last 11 games 6 months ago. Next season we need VC to be the scorer he can be and RJ to be the all around player he can be. The reason why the thread points out RJ is because VC has been criticized very often for not having a season up to his standards.
i agree with your RJ premise NJN687, the thing i always enjoyed watching the most in RJ's game was his defense, slowing down the top scoring wing on each team, this year he was like a turnstile, i don't know if any stats are available but if you subtract the points allowed from the increase in scoring, it must be a significant negative number any other thoughts on the reasons why....i just don't know if more focus on offense is enough of a reason....maybe just the overall decline in team defense leads him to not trust his teammates to do the same job he used to do
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Apr 6 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I rather see an all-around RJ with defense than a RJ who shoots the 3 better and averages more points, more games .. whatever.. I just miss the guy who rebounds passes the ball, defends and play more team ball. Yes, the problem is the whole team including the coach. RJ is part of the team. BUT do not put all the blame on him, its not like if he played more all-rounded the team would win.</div> Why not blame RJ? He is part of the team, and the whole team is to blame for this dismal season. The only reason I'm singling him out is because that's what this thread is about: singling out RJ.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerseyNets687 @ Apr 6 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd measured 6'3" when he was drafted and Howard is 6'5" he just looks taller because of his wingspan he was probably originally billed as 6'7" to get more interest as a prospect. spartannj they give players the option of choosing to be listed at their barefoot height or height in shoes. That's why when Shaq and Ilgauskas stood next to eachother a few years ago for the all star portrait they were the same height. Regarding Sean Williams height Marv Albert has pointed out Sean being much shorter than his listed height many times. Krstic I know was closer to 6'11" when he was drafted but I read in Sports Illustrated that he grew an inch and he is around 7 feet now. Back to the topic I am not trying to put all the blame on RJ for the season I am just pointing out that contrary to popular belief RJ is not having a career season and he was much better in 05'-06'. Sure there is plenty of blame to go around for example Vince Carter needed to be the aggressive first option he's been the last 11 games 6 months ago. Next season we need VC to be the scorer he can be and RJ to be the all around player he can be. The reason why the thread points out RJ is because VC has been criticized very often for not having a season up to his standards.</div> Hey welcome to SportsTwo! Send me a PM if you have any questions about the site. You surely seem like a well-minded poster and we're glad to have you on here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 7 2008, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Apr 6 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I rather see an all-around RJ with defense than a RJ who shoots the 3 better and averages more points, more games .. whatever.. I just miss the guy who rebounds passes the ball, defends and play more team ball. Yes, the problem is the whole team including the coach. RJ is part of the team. BUT do not put all the blame on him, its not like if he played more all-rounded the team would win.</div> Why not blame RJ? He is part of the team, and the whole team is to blame for this dismal season. The only reason I'm singling him out is because that's what this thread is about: singling out RJ. </div> I agree, I do blame RJ. But its not completely his fault that the team is having a dismal season. It just seemed like people were blaming RJ alone for the season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Apr 7 2008, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerseyNets687 @ Apr 6 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd measured 6'3" when he was drafted and Howard is 6'5" he just looks taller because of his wingspan he was probably originally billed as 6'7" to get more interest as a prospect. spartannj they give players the option of choosing to be listed at their barefoot height or height in shoes. That's why when Shaq and Ilgauskas stood next to eachother a few years ago for the all star portrait they were the same height. Regarding Sean Williams height Marv Albert has pointed out Sean being much shorter than his listed height many times. Krstic I know was closer to 6'11" when he was drafted but I read in Sports Illustrated that he grew an inch and he is around 7 feet now. Back to the topic I am not trying to put all the blame on RJ for the season I am just pointing out that contrary to popular belief RJ is not having a career season and he was much better in 05'-06'. Sure there is plenty of blame to go around for example Vince Carter needed to be the aggressive first option he's been the last 11 games 6 months ago. Next season we need VC to be the scorer he can be and RJ to be the all around player he can be. The reason why the thread points out RJ is because VC has been criticized very often for not having a season up to his standards.</div> Hey welcome to SportsTwo! Send me a PM if you have any questions about the site. You surely seem like a well-minded poster and we're glad to have you on here. </div> Thanks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerseyNets687 @ Apr 6 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Back to the topic I am not trying to put all the blame on RJ for the season I am just pointing out that contrary to popular belief RJ is not having a career season and he was much better in 05'-06'. Sure there is plenty of blame to go around for example Vince Carter needed to be the aggressive first option he's been the last 11 games 6 months ago. Next season we need VC to be the scorer he can be and RJ to be the all around player he can be. The reason why the thread points out RJ is because VC has been criticized very often for not having a season up to his standards.</div> After playing third fiddle to Vince and Kidd even pre-injury Nenad for years you can still fault the guy for trying to grow as a player, while comming off an injury year? Nice to know that some people still have all the answers.
This whole thread is ridiculous...it's not like RJ has been going to the allstar game every season...he's far from overrated.
If that damn Jefferson stopped being so lazy we'd be a championship contender! Everyone knows this team only goes as far as he takes them. Always trying to leak out and get the easy bucket rather than fighting with Boone and Krstic for the boards. Drives the lane and fakes a foul just so he can get the free throws and pad his stats. I'm surprised he hasn't been yelling at his teammates to get out and run more so he can get more transition buckets like in the old days and have a better FG%. His defense does suck. This thread is really pathetic.
I've heard many Nets fan say he should be an all star this season which makes no sense. I don't care what excuses you use 4 rebounds and his defense is not getting it done. He has become a better scorer but he's also become one dimensional. Let me ask you this. Besides score what else does RJ really do now?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerseyNets687 @ Apr 7 2008, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I've heard many Nets fan say he should be an all star this season which makes no sense. I don't care what excuses you use 4 rebounds and his defense is not getting it done. He has become a better scorer but he's also become one dimensional. Let me ask you this. Besides score what else does RJ really do now?</div> Talk too much?
