Atheism is dangerous?

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  1. Thoth

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    State Legislator Monique Davis went off the deep end IMO.

    http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/ite...inois_lawmaker/

    http://blog.au.org/2008/04/09/illinois-int...ght-to-be-here/

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>“This is the Land of Lincoln where people believe in God,” she told Sherman.</div>

    As Olbermann pointed out, last night, Lincoln was accused of being an atheist when he first ran for state office in the 1840's in Illinois

    The calendar may change but ignorance remains the same.

    Irony alert; I believe Jeremiah Wright "preaches" in Illinois as well.
     
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    You think she's ever actually read the 1st Amendment?
     
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    The religious right is one of the most dangerous groups in the USA, imo.
     
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    Its also one of the funniest.
     
  5. Thoth

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    I agree w/ Chutney and GM that the religious right are both incredibly funny and irritating.

    Case in point; James Dobson.
     
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    I resemble her remark.

    I have read the 1st amendment, and she has every right to say it. It's the kind of thing our soldiers die for - so idiots can abuse their 1st amendment rights! [​IMG]
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Apr 10 2008, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I resemble her remark.

    I have read the 1st amendment, and she has every right to say it. It's the kind of thing our soldiers die for - so idiots can abuse their 1st amendment rights! [​IMG]</div>

    And she's ignoring other people's right to believe in what they want.
     
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    And she's going to accomplish nothing.

    As it should be.
     
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    Apparently shes a member of the Democratic party. Is there such thing as a radical religious left? Or maybe its just another sign that the differences between the two parties are almost negligible these days.

    Also, she looks like Weezie from the Jeffersons.
     
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    Wow, I never knew that stuff about Lincoln. For one, he's not an atheist. He just has his own beliefs, that are different than most. He believes in some sort of supernatural power, which he considers "God". He sounds like my kinda guy.

    http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_colum...braham-lin.html
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 10 2008, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, I never knew that stuff about Lincoln. For one, he's not an atheist. He just has his own beliefs, that are different than most. He believes in some sort of supernatural power, which he considers "God". He sounds like my kinda guy.

    http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_colum...braham-lin.html</div>

    Lincoln sounds alot like some of the Founding Fathers in that regard. I'd never seen it in print but would bet Thomas Jefferson (for example) is a Deist.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Apr 10 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Apparently shes a member of the Democratic party. Is there such thing as a radical religious left? Or maybe its just another sign that the differences between the two parties are almost negligible these days.

    Also, she looks like Weezie from the Jeffersons.</div>

    Possibly the funniest post ever.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Apr 10 2008, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I resemble her remark.

    I have read the 1st amendment, and she has every right to say it. It's the kind of thing our soldiers die for - so idiots can abuse their 1st amendment rights! [​IMG]</div>

    I doubt she's read up on the Non-Establishment Clause half of it. [​IMG]
     
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    In the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, Justice Hugo Black wrote in a footnote that:

    ”Among religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the existence of God is Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, secular humanism, and others.”
     
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    http://www.christiananswers.net/q-sum/sum-r002.html

    What is Secular Humanism?

    Accurate definitions are difficult to come by. When one hears the word "humanism," several different ideas may come to mind. For example, Mr. Webster would define humanism something like this:

    "any system or mode of thought or action in which human interests, values, or dignity predominate."[1]

    Others may think of a liberal arts education. Both of these are well and good, but what we are seeking is a definition of the worldview known as Secular Humanism.

    First, Secular Humanism is a worldview. That is, it is a set of beliefs through which one interprets all of reality—something like a pair of glasses. Second, Secular Humanism is a religious worldview.[2] Do not let the word "secular" mislead you. The Humanists themselves would agree that they adhere to a religious worldview. According to the Humanist Manifestos I & II: Humanism is "a philosophical, religious, and moral point of view."[3]

    Not all humanists, though, want to be identified as "religious," because they understand that religion is (supposedly) not allowed in American public education. To identify Secular Humanism as a religion would eliminate the Humanists' main vehicle for the propagation of their faith. And it is a faith, by their own admission. The Humanist Manifestos declare:

    "These affirmations [in the Manifestos] are not a final credo or dogma but an expression of a living and growing faith."[4]

    What are the basic beliefs of Secular Humanism? What do Secular Humanists believe?

    Theologically, Secular Humanists are atheists. Humanist Paul Kurtz, publisher of Prometheus Books and editor of Free Inquiry magazine, says that "Humanism cannot in any fair sense of the word apply to one who still believes in God as the source and creator of the universe."[5] Corliss Lamont agrees, saying that "Humanism contends that instead of the gods creating the cosmos, the cosmos, in the individualized form of human beings giving rein to their imagination, created the gods."[6]

    Philosophically, Secular Humanists are naturalists. That is, they believe that nature is all that exists - the material world is all that exists. There is no God, no spiritual dimension, no afterlife. Carl Sagan said it best in the introduction to his Cosmos series: "The universe is all that is or ever was or ever will be."[7] Roy Wood Sellars concurs. "Humanism is naturalistic," he says, "and rejects the supernaturalistic stance with its postulated Creator-God and cosmic Ruler."[8]

    Secular Humanist beliefs in the area of biology are closely tied to both their atheistic theology and their naturalist philosophy. If there is no supernatural, then life, including human life, must be the result of a purely natural phenomenon. Hence, Secular Humanists must believe in evolution. Julian Huxley, for example, insists that "man ... his body, his mind and his soul were not supernaturally created but are all products of evolution."[9] Sagan, Lamont, Sellars, Kurtz—all Secular Humanists are in agreement on this.

    Atheism leads most Secular Humanists to adopt ethical relativism - the belief that no absolute moral code exists, and therefore man must adjust his ethical standards in each situation according to his own judgment.[10] If God does not exist, then He cannot establish an absolute moral code. Humanist Max Hocutt says that human beings "may, and do, make up their own rules... Morality is not discovered; it is made."[11]

    Secular Humanism, then, can be defined as a religious worldview based on atheism, naturalism, evolution, and ethical relativism. But this definition is merely the tip of the iceberg. A more complete discussion of the Secular Humanist worldview can be found in David Noebel's Understanding the Times, which discusses (in detail) humanism's approach to each of ten disciplines: theology, philosophy, ethics, biology, psychology, sociology, law, politics, economics and history.
    FOOTNOTES

    1. Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language (New York: Gramercy Books, 1989), p. 691.
    2. For detailed proof that Secular Humanism is a religion, see Clergy in the Classroom: The Religion of Secular Humanism by David A. Noebel, J.F. Baldwin and Kevin Bywater (Manitou Springs, CO: Summit Press, 1995).
    3. Paul Kurtz, in the preface to Humanist Manifestos I & II (Buffalo, NY: Prometheus Books, 1973), p. 3.
    4. Kurtz, Humanist Manifestos I & II, p. 24. Italics added.
    5. "Is Everyone a Humanist?" in The Humanist Alternative, ed. Paul Kurtz (Buffalo: Prometheus Books, 1973), p. 177.
    6. Corliss Lamont, The Philosophy of Humanism (New York: Frederick Ungar Publishing, 1982), p. 145.
    7. Carl Sagan, Cosmos (New York: Random House, 1980), p. 4.
    8. Roy Wood Sellars, "The Humanist Outlook," in The Humanist Alternative, ed. Paul Kurtz (Buffalo: Prometheus, 1973), p. 135.
    9. Julian Huxley, as cited in Roger E. Greely, ed., The Best of Humanism (Buffalo: Prometheus Books, 1988), pp. 194-5.
    10. David A. Noebel, Understanding the Times: The Religious Worldviews of Our Day and the Search for Truth (Eugene, OR: Harvest House, 1991), p. 200.
    11. Max Hocutt, "Toward an Ethic of Mutual Accommodation," in Humanist Ethics, ed. Morris B. Storer (Buffalo: Prometheus Books, 1980), p. 137.
     
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    China just declared Secular Humanism an evil terrorist cult. [​IMG]
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AEM @ Apr 10 2008, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>China just declared Secular Humanism an evil terrorist cult. [​IMG]</div>

    So, China espousing a political system based on Marxism is opposed to SH? lol.

    Even funnier; Bill O'Reilly probably agrees w/ the Chinse Gov't.
     

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