I just was checking the Bulls vs. Bucks boxscore, and saw 24 in the assists column, which blew me away. Then noticed it was by a guy I had never heard of Ramon Sessions. Probably is a franchise record for the Bucks to have 24 assists in a game. He has had double digit assists in 4 of the past 5 games.
Ramon Sessions - Last seven games. 92 Pts. 99 Assists 36 Rebounds 28 TO 14/14/5 w/ 4 TO Congratulations if you won your fantasy league by picking up this guy for the finals. You have to love the last week of the NBA season.
I know this is a couple of months on, but whats the story with this kid? He has been very impressive in what I've seen, he's become a personal favourite of mine. Will he be playing in Milwaukee next season, or is there any talk of him moving on elsewhere? I'd love to get him on the Pistons
Altough thosestats are impressive...they came at a time when teams had their garbage squads in, and not against the caliber of players he would see starting a game to start a season. think of it like Summer Leagues. you always get scrubs posting monter numbers...but that all directly relates to the level of comp he faces. I'm not saying he's not a good player....just don't bank on the stats you seen the last 7-10 games of the season
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 15 2008, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Altough thosestats are impressive...they came at a time when teams had their garbage squads in, and not against the caliber of players he would see starting a game to start a season. think of it like Summer Leagues. you always get scrubs posting monter numbers...but that all directly relates to the level of comp he faces. I'm not saying he's not a good player....just don't bank on the stats you seen the last 7-10 games of the season</div> C'mon dude, this is just a rubbish statement. He put up that 20 Points, 8 Rebounds, 24 Assists game against a full strength Bulls team that won that game 151-135 in regulation. He had 8 Points, 5 Rebounds, 14 Assists against a full strength Boston team which included the "big 3". He has displayed some good skills, great court vision and play making ability. I don't think he'll be the next Steve Nash, but he looks as though he could be a valuable asset to any team.
The Bucks signed him to a multi-year contract last summer. So he'll remain in Milwaukee if he proves to Skiles that he is willing to be his type of player. I believe Sessions will be able to do that because he as the ability to defend the PG position.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NTC @ Jun 15 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 15 2008, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Altough thosestats are impressive...they came at a time when teams had their garbage squads in, and not against the caliber of players he would see starting a game to start a season. think of it like Summer Leagues. you always get scrubs posting monter numbers...but that all directly relates to the level of comp he faces. I'm not saying he's not a good player....just don't bank on the stats you seen the last 7-10 games of the season</div> C'mon dude, this is just a rubbish statement. He put up that 20 Points, 8 Rebounds, 24 Assists game against a full strength Bulls team that won that game 151-135 in regulation. He had 8 Points, 5 Rebounds, 14 Assists against a full strength Boston team which included the "big 3". He has displayed some good skills, great court vision and play making ability. I don't think he'll be the next Steve Nash, but he looks as though he could be a valuable asset to any team. </div> I agree with you, but I don't see how what you said contradicts the previous post. The last week of the season is obviously garbage time. Sessions hasn't proven anything by putting up big numbers for a couple of weeks in April.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 15 2008, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NTC @ Jun 15 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 15 2008, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Altough thosestats are impressive...they came at a time when teams had their garbage squads in, and not against the caliber of players he would see starting a game to start a season. think of it like Summer Leagues. you always get scrubs posting monter numbers...but that all directly relates to the level of comp he faces. I'm not saying he's not a good player....just don't bank on the stats you seen the last 7-10 games of the season</div> C'mon dude, this is just a rubbish statement. He put up that 20 Points, 8 Rebounds, 24 Assists game against a full strength Bulls team that won that game 151-135 in regulation. He had 8 Points, 5 Rebounds, 14 Assists against a full strength Boston team which included the "big 3". He has displayed some good skills, great court vision and play making ability. I don't think he'll be the next Steve Nash, but he looks as though he could be a valuable asset to any team. </div> I agree with you, but I don't see how what you said contradicts the previous post. The last week of the season is obviously garbage time. Sessions hasn't proven anything by putting up big numbers for a couple of weeks in April. </div> Have you seen his D-League stats?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 15 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 15 2008, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NTC @ Jun 15 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 15 2008, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Altough thosestats are impressive...they came at a time when teams had their garbage squads in, and not against the caliber of players he would see starting a game to start a season. think of it like Summer Leagues. you always get scrubs posting monter numbers...but that all directly relates to the level of comp he faces. I'm not saying he's not a good player....just don't bank on the stats you seen the last 7-10 games of the season</div> C'mon dude, this is just a rubbish statement. He put up that 20 Points, 8 Rebounds, 24 Assists game against a full strength Bulls team that won that game 151-135 in regulation. He had 8 Points, 5 Rebounds, 14 Assists against a full strength Boston team which included the "big 3". He has displayed some good skills, great court vision and play making ability. I don't think he'll be the next Steve Nash, but he looks as though he could be a valuable asset to any team. </div> I agree with you, but I don't see how what you said contradicts the previous post. The last week of the season is obviously garbage time. Sessions hasn't proven anything by putting up big numbers for a couple of weeks in April. </div> Have you seen his D-League stats? </div> Of course. He was on my D-League fantasy team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 15 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 15 2008, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NTC @ Jun 15 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 15 2008, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Altough thosestats are impressive...they came at a time when teams had their garbage squads in, and not against the caliber of players he would see starting a game to start a season. think of it like Summer Leagues. you always get scrubs posting monter numbers...but that all directly relates to the level of comp he faces. I'm not saying he's not a good player....just don't bank on the stats you seen the last 7-10 games of the season</div> C'mon dude, this is just a rubbish statement. He put up that 20 Points, 8 Rebounds, 24 Assists game against a full strength Bulls team that won that game 151-135 in regulation. He had 8 Points, 5 Rebounds, 14 Assists against a full strength Boston team which included the "big 3". He has displayed some good skills, great court vision and play making ability. I don't think he'll be the next Steve Nash, but he looks as though he could be a valuable asset to any team. </div> I agree with you, but I don't see how what you said contradicts the previous post. The last week of the season is obviously garbage time. Sessions hasn't proven anything by putting up big numbers for a couple of weeks in April. </div> Have you seen his D-League stats? </div> Well, Dang...when Scott Skiles set the record with 30 assists in a game...I suppose he should've been labled the next Stockton, huh? Garbage time is garbage time anyway you slice it. It's obvious by the score that no one played Defense which is what happens at the end of the season when teams are waaaaaay out of the playoff race. BTW in that Boston game against the "Big Three" only played about 22 min each while Sessions played 42...and his team lost 86-102. Garbage time stats...starters for Boston barely played in that blowout. Does it matter what his D-League stats are? It's like a season long summer-League there...if stats are really an indicator there Mikki Moore should dominating the NBA and earning his ridiculous contract
Let's get one thing clear, I have never said he has proven himself as a player, or that he is the next John Stockton, I said he has been very impressive in what we've seen from him, and you even acknowledged that yourself. Although, you've come into this post and made it out as though everything he did last season, was just allowed to happen, that the other team just stood back and watched him do it, which is just simply ridiculous thing to say. If you look at most of the teams the Bucks played around that time, they were actually teams that had somthing to play for, most of them could've grabbed the 8th seed if they had of put in enough. He still has a long way to go, but he looks like he has the skill set to be a good NBA player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NTC @ Jun 16 2008, 05:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let's get one thing clear, I have never said he has proven himself as a player, or that he is the next John Stockton, I said he has been very impressive in what we've seen from him, and you even acknowledged that yourself. Although, you've come into this post and made it out as though everything he did last season, was just allowed to happen, that the other team just stood back and watched him do it, which is just simply ridiculous thing to say. If you look at most of the teams the Bucks played around that time, they were actually teams that had somthing to play for, most of them could've grabbed the 8th seed if they had of put in enough. He still has a long way to go, but he looks like he has the skill set to be a good NBA player.</div> Wooooow....ooook...I didn't realize this was such a sensitive subject for you. You even noticed yourself that I'm not taking anything away from the great numbers but of these following teams which ones had something to really play for? maybe two. And Millwaukee lost every one. Date Opponent Score Apr 16 @ MIN L 101-110 (3rd worst record- 11-17 64%FG, 7rbs, 14asst, 3 TO, 25 pts)) Apr 14 CHI L 135-151 (was 4 gms back of wildcard- 7-12 58%FG, 8rbs, 24asst, 2TO, 20pts) Apr 12 NJN L 98-111 (was 3 gms back of wildcard-6-11 54%FG, 6rbs, 13asst, 2 TO, 12 pts)) Apr 11 @ BOS L 86-102 (already had homecourt locked-3-8 37% FG, 5rbs, 14asst, 5 TO, 8pts) Apr 9 @ TOR L 93-111 (6th seed, playing for higher seed-3-12 25%FG, 4rbs, 10asst, 4 TO, 6 pts) Apr 8 BOS L 104-107 (already had homecourt locked-5-11 45%FG, 6rbs, 7asst, 5 TO, 13pts) Apr 6 @ IND L 97-105 (fighting with ATL for final slot-Sessions' stat line: 3-10 30%FG, 3 rbs, 10 asst, 4 TO, 8 pts) This was to point out that the two teams that had something to play for Sessions had his worst games. I'm not bashing him and I think he a good player, I'm just not feeding hype over games played at the end of the season when many teams just cash it in. To put it into further perspective...that same game that Sessions put up his greatest statline against Chicago (8rbs, 24asst, 2 To, 20pts in 44 min) Chris Duhon had a killer game as well (3rbs, 15assts, 0 TO, 22pts in just 30 min!!!!) can we talk about Duhon now?!?!?....lol
It's not a sensitive topic for me, I just hate seeing people bash guys who perform well due to stupid reasons such as "the other team wasn't trying" or "it was in garbage time". Let me ask you, do you not consider Kobe's 81 impressive, because it was scored against a garbage team who played no defense what so ever? Do you take that away from him? I'm just saying, most of the best performances we've seen from players have been against lacklustre teams, or little to no defense, but we don't hold them against those players, I just don't see why others should be singled out.
Of course I take that away from him. But the comparison isn't the same. Even if the opposing team isn't trying, I don't think there are any other players in the league who could score 81 points. There are a lot of NBA players who could rack up 20+ assists against a Bulls squad that gave up 20 games into the season though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jun 16 2008, 07:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Of course I take that away from him. But the comparison isn't the same. Even if the opposing team isn't trying, I don't think there are any other players in the league who could score 81 points. There are a lot of NBA players who could rack up 20+ assists against a Bulls squad that gave up 20 games into the season though.</div> It is very much the same. He scored 81 points against a bad team who played no defense. Not to mention he was/is the number one option on that team. How is that any different to Sessions racking up 24 assists against a Bulls team that "wasnt trying". It's the same logic. Yesterday Paul Pierce had 38 points on 10/22 shooting, on a team which also included Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. Scoring high amounts of points isnt that hard if you think about it. You get enough looks, you have your shots dropping, and the points start piling up. Not to mention the guys Kobe was playing with that season, he had to shoulder the load of the scoring, thats why he averaged 35ppg that season. If you want to break it down, we can make every "good" performance look not so good. We've gone way off topic though. I think we've all misinterpreted each others original posts, I'm willing to just leave at "lets see how Ramon Sessions performs next season before we place any labels on him"
