Its not too early to talk about the draft right? I'm sure some of you aren't in the mood but I'm a big draft buff and I like the depth of this draft. Post who you like as our late lotto or second round pick. As of right now we're projected to have the 14 and 44 picks. Like I said, this draft has great depth. I think Beasley and Rose are the only really good prospects but after that theres about 12-14 guys who are very solid but not top 5 quality prospects. At 14 we cuold see guys like Budinger, Batum, Arthur, Love, D. Green, Tyler Smith, Earl Clark, DJ Augustin, Collison, McGee, etc. If we're lucky we might see guys like Anthony Randolph, Russell Westbrook, etc. slip down to us. I love Tyler Smith for our team. Hes a 6'7 SG/SF but played a ton of PF in college and does a very good job playing in the paint. He fits that mold of Barnes/Pietrus but hes way smarter and more skilled. Hes a great athlete, good scorer, very good passser for his position, has a solid handle, plays very nice defense, and very aggressive. Hes just a solid all around player even though he has low star-potential. Chase Budinger is another interesting prospect. I wasn't a big fan of him before but hes grown on me this year. Hes a fluid athlete, not an elite level athlete but very good. Great cutter and hits open shots. Another guy who is just a solid all around player. His defense isn't as good as Tyler Smith's and I don't think his handle is quite there yet. Arthur is a guy who I was really high on last year but hes slipped al ittle in my book. He didn't show a ton of improvement in his sophmore season. Hes got nice skills, a money turnaround J form the post and generally good post scoring skills but still is inconsistent and not a great rebounder or defender. Again, antoher guy who can be very solid but not a star.
I did not follow college basketball this season. I only know a few players, mainly from the Pac-10 like Kevin Love and the Lopez twins. Are there any really good guards who should be available at 14? I'd also like that guy from UNC who gets to the line so much, Tyler Hansbrough. He broke the NCAA tournament record this year in FTA and FTM perhaps. I also liked that player Stephen Curry. He was good, and he got to the line very well. It was late in games and he was the last player you wanted on the foul line if you were the opponent, yet he was still able to get to the line time and time again.
Run, I've been checking out Chase Budinger too. He's a nice looking prospect, but he suffers from being slow in the way that Jrich was slow (moving side to side). He can jump out of the gym, though. He's definitely interesting, but is he a SG or a SF? It's a bit early since some guys may choose not to hire an agent. If Kevin Love comes out, I'd want to get him. I think he'll be a bit like Carlos Boozer or at least provide a Zach Randolph inside/outside game without the selfishness and apathy. I kind of like all the guys Run BJM picked out. They're all very high basketball IQ type candidates, so they have a good chance to be able to play right away if their body can handle the matchups. If we get a Brandon Roy, a Shane Battier, a Michael Redd or a Monta Ellis type impact, I'd be super happy because these guys can come in right away or be really ready in a year or two. Here's my list of solids: Robin Lopez (maybe he's not as ready, but he's definitely got heart, size, and some upside... and hands, might be good to have behind Biedrins or if Biedrins gets hurt) Daryl Arthur (looks to be something like an Al Horford. An undersized center type of guy, but with a little more offense/ballhandling to his game and has more quickness/hops, but gives up size and weight) Tyler Smith (this guy should be nothing more than solid at worst, at best he could be a do everything type of guy with nba physique) Here's my interesting prospects: Nicolas Batum (he's supposed to be one of the young euro stars who just has what you can't teach) Jason Thompson (nice size and skill, but how will he match up against nba bigs?) Chase Budinger (is he a small forward or a shooting guard?) Those two centers from Texas A and M and Nevada. I can't remember. For second rounders, I'm not sure who would be available because I feel like the first round is deep but not the second. Anyway, maybe Richard Roby? I'm sure Mullin will go for whoever who is both a combo of nba ready and has nba upside. If there's nobody that has a good mixture of both, I hope that we swing for the fences rather than try to bunt. In other words, grab the Patrick O'Bryant type of pick. At least we got the upside. There's nothing worse than having a guy that shows he can play in college, but then he just can't hack it in the nba. As long as we get somebody that can match up and has an idea of what they are doing out there on the court, I'll be happy. I'd definitely want to concentrate on what we need (SG/SF and PF/C). I would strongly think about getting Daryl Arthur or Tyler Smith because they got the most skill and pretty decent frames. They should add more depth if they don't start for a while. But if there's more upside in guys like Batum or anybody else, grab em. There's a good chance to grab a superstar depending on how the scout feels about them.
CR2, I agree with you on Budinger. I even compared him to J-Rich in another thread on the draft board. They are similar in that they both have great leaping skills and their end to end speeds is very good but they lack lateral quickness. Skillwise, they are both good catch and shoot players or good at shooting off the dribble but I question how well they create their own shot. They can get to the rim when the opportunity presents itself but they can't penetrate at will and get high % FGs for themselves whenever they want. I had to cut my original list a bit short but let me add a bit more: Richard Hendrix- 6'8 PF/C from Alabama, absolutely dominated the SEC despite constant double and triple teams. Dudes got a nice offensive game (shot 60% from the field, great rebounder, very strong, hes got a nice developing outside shot. Hes very much in the mold of a Millsap or Craig Smith. Hes got solid mobility and hes a good leaper for his size/weight. Also averaged 2 bpg last season. At this point, 14 is too high for him but if somehow he slips to 44 I would be pissed if we didn't take him. As for Robin Lopez, 14 is probably a bit too high for him but I do think hes a solid prospect and if I had to give him an NBA comparison it would be Andris Biedrins. Hes a 7 footer with intensity, hes quite active, and has a satisfactory offensive game (but nothing special offensively). Solid defense, rebounding, and can defend the rim. Hes just a solid all around prospect who has little star potential. He can be a nice role player defensive minded C. Kevin Love is a guy who I am really having trouble projecting. I don't like how poor of an athlete he is and he looks closer to 6'8 than 6'10. Hes got some bulk but I'm not sure how much of it is raw strength. Hes obviously got great ball IQ and a sense for the game, great rebounder and has some nice skills offensively. I am of the belief that he'll end up being like an Oberto or Scola; unathletic but smart, crafty PF/C who isn't flashy but makes plays to help their team win games. Also in the second round I like Jamont Gordon a lot. Hes sort of like Roddney Stuckey or Randy Foye. A big, strong combo guard (6'3 or 6'4 and listed at 220-225 lbs). He averaged 17.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.9 apg last season. Hes got a great handle and hes very good at penetrating, getting to the rim, finishing and getting to the FT line. Hes a good athlete, not a Dwayne Wade or Gil Arenas but very solid in his own right. As you can tell by the numbers, hes a great rebounder for his size and he passes the ball well. Hes not a pure PG but hes got solid vision and makes the right passes in most situations. Hes also a very solid defender. Downside is he shoots a low FG% and low FT% and his outside shot is shaky. Part of the problem with his FG% could be because he is relied upon to do a lot of the perimeter scoring, he also shot a lot of 3's which brought his % down. None the less hes a very nice high potential type of player in the second round. even though we have no need for another combo guard he could be BPA where we draft in the second.
I like that list, Run. With last year's draft being a bit of a repeat of the 2006 draft, the 2008 and 2009 drafts may end up being deep again (if guys who declare this year stay put). I'm still making a big push for Kevin Love if he's available and he stays in the draft. We need a Sean May or some kind of bull in the paint. I think Love is way more athletic, but he's just not quick like you want a power forward to be. Leaping is nothing if you can't play with the nba speed. Hey did you also check out Joe Alexander? I saw this guy play this season. I don't know what his game reminds me of, but he can hit fade away midrange shots all day, it seemed. He got the high free throw %, some assists, blocked shots, he gets fouled about 5 times a game, he's high energy, and he's a leaper. Of course, there's better players than him, but let's say he falls to the 2nd round. I mean this guy may be Brian Cardinal part 2 only more athletic and no 3 point range yet. I love high energy players and especially ones that can play above the rim... like Jrich! If we don't find anybody we like, you think we can trade to Miami for Ricky Davis and Udonis Haslem?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ May 1 2008, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I like that list, Run. With last year's draft being a bit of a repeat of the 2006 draft, the 2008 and 2009 drafts may end up being deep again (if guys who declare this year stay put). I'm still making a big push for Kevin Love if he's available and he stays in the draft. We need a Sean May or some kind of bull in the paint. I think Love is way more athletic, but he's just not quick like you want a power forward to be. Leaping is nothing if you can't play with the nba speed. Hey did you also check out Joe Alexander? I saw this guy play this season. I don't know what his game reminds me of, but he can hit fade away midrange shots all day, it seemed. He got the high free throw %, some assists, blocked shots, he gets fouled about 5 times a game, he's high energy, and he's a leaper. Of course, there's better players than him, but let's say he falls to the 2nd round. I mean this guy may be Brian Cardinal part 2 only more athletic and no 3 point range yet. I love high energy players and especially ones that can play above the rim... like Jrich! If we don't find anybody we like, you think we can trade to Miami for Ricky Davis and Udonis Haslem?</div> I think May is actually a better athlete than Love. May is one of those fat guys who jump and move really well much like Glenn Davis. Love is an extraordinarily bad athlete for what is percieved to be a lotto pick. I still really have no idea what to think about Love. I look at his height (much closer to 6'8 than 6'10 IMO), mobility and hops and I just can't see him doing a lot on the NBA level. Then again, look at his amazing skills and intelligence. He completely dominated the NCAAs in a good conference and lets not forget hes still just a freshman too so there is still a ton of room for improvement. Hes also got an outside shot which will help. At this point, I'd like to see another year in college from him. His post game isn't that refined right now and his jumpshot is a little streaky. I'd like to see him drop some of that baby fat and try to gain some explosiveness. Most of the other undersized, bulky rebounder types in the NBA (Millsap, Maxiel, Craig Smith, Glenn Davis, etc.) have long arms and are very mobile for their size. While they don't usually have great vertical jumps they are quick to get off the ground. Love definitely has the instincts but I don't know if he has the mobility. Like I said I'd prefer to see another year from him to see how his game improves. Looking at Love's game log, I do like that he did well against some very good frontlines. He had a lot of great games against the likes of Maryland, Stanford, Cal, Michigan St., Michigan, Washington St., USC, Oregon, Arizona, Arizona St., Texas A&M, and Xavier. All of those teams have a lot of talent and frontline players who are headed to the NBA (DeAndre Jordan, Lopez twins, D. Harden, R. Anderson, Gist, Osby, Gibson, Leunen, Hill, Pendergraph, Duncan, etc.) He struggled against Memphis and Texas who also have NBA size, athleticism, talent, etc. but looking at all the other good games I wouldn't hold these games against him. As for Joe Alexander, I would tend to stay away from him in the lotto. You have to like his size and athleticism as a SF but from the several games I've seen from him he just doesn't do anything but that mid-range fadeaway jumper. His inside game isn't anything special, his 3 point shot is sketchy, he doesn't rebound that well for his size, he blocks shots on the NCAA level but I don't see that carrying over, his defense isn't very good because of poor lateral quickness, his handle isn't very good. I would say his upside is like Peja Stojakovic if he develops a great 3 point shot but hes a junior and can't even hit the college 3 pt shot very well so there may not be much hope there. Hes got a nice mid-range game but I can't see it being too effective in the NBA because coaches aren't going to want to draw up palys and run those plays just for him 15+ times a game like they would with a Rip Hamilton. He won't get the open mid-range shot like Monta does because defenders can play him very close because there isn't a threat of dribble penetration like with Monta. Hes got the tools to be good but his skills just aren't up to par right now IMO. His bread and butter mid-range shot from the post will be a lot harder to get off when hes going against 6'8 freak athletes at SF every single night.
The Warriors should package the pick along with Al Harrington and get a true PF on the roster. David Lee + Malike Rose (expiring contract) for #14 and Al
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ May 3 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Warriors should package the pick along with Al Harrington and get a true PF on the roster. David Lee + Malike Rose (expiring contract) for #14 and Al</div> Thats what I was thinking too. The 10 mil TE is also good through the draft this year but for salary reasons its probably better to move Al. I don't think any teams are scrambling to get Al but some rebuilding teams may want picks badly. The question is which rebuilding teams have pieces that we want? We could got Al + 14 for Mike Miller, Lowry or Warrick, and a 2nd. How about Al Harrington, 14 pick for Udonis Haslem + extras? Al + 14 for Andres Nocioni and Sefolosha. Is Dallas dumping Josh Howard this offseason? Al + 14 for Howard. Jack, Barnes, and Baron can show him all the spots to score good California weed.
Good call on Mike Miller his game was made for Nellie's system. It would give the Warriors another ball handler on the court who can score off the dribble, spot up for 3's, or create for a teammate. Miller is really underrated because of the limited exposure he has in Memphis. I mentioned NY because Donnie Walsh will want to blow the team up and will need to build through the draft. He's always been a big Al Harrington fan and he can draft two building blocks straight away and increases their odds of moving up in the lottery. Knicks wouldn't hurt themselves any by drafting both Lopez Twins and using the next couple of seasons to develop them to eventually replace the toxic front court of ZBo and Curry.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ May 3 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Good call on Mike Miller his game was made for Nellie's system. It would give the Warriors another ball handler on the court who can score off the dribble, spot up for 3's, or create for a teammate. Miller is really underrated because of the limited exposure he has in Memphis. I mentioned NY because Donnie Walsh will want to blow the team up and will need to build through the draft. He's always been a big Al Harrington fan and he can draft two building blocks straight away and increases their odds of moving up in the lottery. Knicks wouldn't hurt themselves any by drafting both Lopez Twins and using the next couple of seasons to develop them to eventually replace the toxic front court of ZBo and Curry.</div> After reading your description or Mike Miller it reminds me of another guy in that mold; Marco Belinelli. He played very well when he got playing time at the end of last season. If he improves his body and his game this offseason he could easily be a 6th man getting 25 min/game. Hes pretty similar to Miller in that hes a good shooter and has a nice handle and good vision. Don't get me wrong, Miller is the better player at this point, but they have similar skillsets and would be redundant. Good call on NY. I forgot Walsh was there and you're right Walsh does love Al Harrington. Hes going to want to get high character, hard working guys in there to change the culture of the team. They'll obviously want picks too. I don't know if they would give up David Lee but I would gladly trade al and the 14 for him.
I love Mike Miller's game, but that haircut of his has to go back to circa 2002-2003. The W's should have made a rule about funky looking hair after the Dunleavy do. But then again maybe they get an exemption if they got the balding genes. How about this for an idea. We keep our pick. See if this guy wants to come over: I'm really fascinated with what appears to be an athletic, rebounding, inside scoring guy with good hands who can score with either of those hands, and has pretty few weaknesses. He probably isn't a jaw dropper, but that tenacity around the basket looks so awesome. Remember when Ike Diogu was hyped up to be the beast? I want that attack dog that will just get fouled while putting up a close range bucket. http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/nikolapekovic.html http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nikola-Pekovic-1047/ But it's what they're not showing on film that will probably throw me off. But I do like the Euro players who play the low post and they got the wider key to contend with. Everywhere in the world uses that trapezoid key but us. Even though an American invented the game, it makes sense to me because it slows down the potential for a huge Shaq attack when a 7 foot 1 bulldozer with a 7'4 wingspan just has to nudge someone a little to score on a dunk... and he doesn't even have to be inside the key very much to do it. But it's probably not the only reason they do the key like that. It's probably also when they line up for missed free throws or something. Does anyone really know? Also, anyone take a second look at Darrell Arthur? Is he too small for the 4?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ May 7 2008, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, anyone take a second look at Darrell Arthur? Is he too small for the 4?</div> I was really, really high on him in his freshman season but he didn't show a lot of improvement his sophomore season. Hes got the total package to dominate in college; athleticism, size, skills, etc. but he just never played with consistency. His intensity is questionable and he is certainly not aggressive enough. While he is a good athlete, hes not an elite athlete which will hurt for a guy who is, in my estimation, about 6'8 220 lbs. His go-to shot is his fadeaway jumpshot, hes a nice finisher inside and has a developing jumpshot. His post game gets the job done in the college level but his skills down there aren't anything special like a Diogu. Again, for a guy who is as athletic as he is he should be a better defender but he doesn't have a big impact on defense. I haven't seen anything that stands out about his man defense that would make me hopeful for him, especially not with his height/weight. As far as protecting the rim, he isn't much of a presence, 1.3 bpg isn't bad but I don't think he was changing a lot of shots in there. Hes also not as good on the glass as he "should" be. Watching him as a freshman I was salivating at the potential but he was basically the same player his sophomore season and really killed my buzz on him because the frosh-soph jump is supposed to be pretty profound. I wouldn't really be upset with the pick at 14 because he'd probably be about as good as anyone considering the skills, tools, athleticism, and whatnot but I'm just not that high on him anymore. Heres another name I've been thinking about lately; Kosta Kuofos. Hes a legit 7 footer with SKILLS. Not a great athlete but adequate. Hes got a nice turnaround jumper in the post, a nice hook shot, and just generally good scoring skills in the post including good hands and good footwork. (CR2 is gonna hate this) his left hand needs a lot of work however and he struggles with his post moves when on his left hand. Hes got a very nice jumpshot as well out to the college 3. His defense and rebounding are both mediocre and leave some to be desired. He can block shots though and protect the rim with his 7'0 height, 7'4 wingspan, and decent athleticism. His freshman season was extremely similar to another guy I was (and still am) really high on; Spencer Hawes. Statistically their freshmans seasons were almost identical. Hawes had a bit more of a complete offensive game with the ambidextrous game and sweet passing. I think Kuofos is a little bigger and a better athlete.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ May 8 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ May 7 2008, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, anyone take a second look at Darrell Arthur? Is he too small for the 4?</div> Heres another name I've been thinking about lately; Kosta Kuofos. Hes a legit 7 footer with SKILLS. Not a great athlete but adequate. Hes got a nice turnaround jumper in the post, a nice hook shot, and just generally good scoring skills in the post including good hands and good footwork. (CR2 is gonna hate this) his left hand needs a lot of work however and he struggles with his post moves when on his left hand. Hes got a very nice jumpshot as well out to the college 3. His defense and rebounding are both mediocre and leave some to be desired. He can block shots though and protect the rim with his 7'0 height, 7'4 wingspan, and decent athleticism. His freshman season was extremely similar to another guy I was (and still am) really high on; Spencer Hawes. Statistically their freshmans seasons were almost identical. Hawes had a bit more of a complete offensive game with the ambidextrous game and sweet passing. I think Kuofos is a little bigger and a better athlete. </div> I was also thinking about Kosta Kuofos because his game could be something like Mehmet Okur's with the inside/outside game. But he would be a project for several reasons and not the Spencer Hawes kind that I like. One, Kosta's ambidexterity is not near the level of Spencer Hawes yet. So this means Kosta's very limited in what he can do inside the paint because he can't go to his weakside or spin to his weak hand consistently. Think of how this can trouble players like Troy Murphy or Al Harrington when they opt to go to their stronger hand which can get taken away by an nba caliber shotblocker. Those big guy suddenly turn into a smaller player because he can't operate like real inside players that are supposed to score with either hand. All the top players are ambidextrous because how else can you fool an nba opponent or outmaneuver an extremely good defender. The painted area is the most heavily guarded area and even if he can get all the way to the basket, it's so difficult to score inside. So a post player has got to find any opening underneath the rim even if they have to use the rim itself and their opposite hand to protect their shot. Otherwise, if that game doesn't make them feel comfortable, they just become jump shooting role players who didn't have much defense, ballhandling, or passing ability to begin with. Guys like those don't make the rest of the team better in the ways that good passers, shot creators, and strong help defenders do. Plus, with post moves, there's not many types of moves you can actually do with the ball (There's probably only about 8 combinations of using the following: drop step baseline with crab dribble, drop step into the lane w/ no dribble and a jump hook, face-up jab step, up-and-under). So being able to go either hand is very important if Kosta wants to trick his defenders into giving him something inside. If he's not into that, then it doesn't help us where we need help the most which is inside scoring and getting 3 point plays the classic way. We don't want guys drifting toward the perimeter because that's how we get into trouble with shot selection. Also Kosta's free throw shooting touches off another thing. He doesn't get to the foul line enough and he doesn't really hit a high % of free throws like other poor or mediocre weakside defense, finesse big men would: let's say Murphy, Okur, or Brad Miller. If there's a big man that can't play inside yet or isn't able to play inside against nba competition, then the midrange and outside shot is the only thing he's got left to use. That could drive Kosta's shot % all the way down to the 40's if he's drifting further away from the high % areas on the floor. A situation where he's hitting mid or low 40's is not good for a power player. Plus, when you get further away from the rim, you don't get fouled as much as if you were looking to draw contact inside the paint. Because nobody fouls common jump shooters. Then there's the fact Kosta doesn't pass as much or as well as Spencer Hawes. If we want the complete player he'll play inside out or outside in and I don't think he's unselfish or much of a natural setup guy to elevate anyone else's play. So, it pretty makes me believe that Kosta could end up being like Troy Murphy a lot more and not so much Mehmet Okur just yet. Plus, what makes Spencer Hawes really special is that he's got all the moves down in either low post or from the high post. He'll be an important piece for any motion offense run through him once he gets strong enough. With Kosta not so sure at this point what his role would be other than to score. So, Kosta's pretty much a project, because to me he doesn't have the fundamentals yet to play like what this teams needs right now (a guy you can run the offense through and a guy who can score the inside shots our guards don't give us consistently in the halfcourt). He could be a very good player later on, though. So it's a bit of a gamble. Some important notes were that he was the best player in the NIT, he was an MVP in the FIBA under 18 tournament, and he's made some remarkable improvements in the way he approaches the game. --------------------- Also, for Darrel Arthur, it could have been the fact he was coming off of injury. I was just wondering about him. --------------------- It seems like at 14 we can't pick anybody with the fewest weaknesses and best strengths... I was unsure about JaVale McGee and DeAndre Jordan has red flags everywhere. How about this guy? http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marreese-Speights-1183/ or this guy: http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/nikolapekovic.html I think we need a power house finisher if we can't get the "make everyone around them better" qualities of anyone from Yao, Spencer Hawes, Pau Gasol, or the young Chris Webber or the lockdown defense of guys like Howard, Brand, Rasheed Wallace, Camby, or Duncan. We need finishing skills if there is no passing qualities.
I agree with you CR2 that Hawes is the better prospect. They're both projects but for different reasons. Hawes has all the skills you could ask for from day one. He just doesn't have the body at 6'11-7'0 hes skinny, unathletic, doesn't protect the rim well or rebound well. Kosta is a legit 7'0-7'1 with long arms and a solid athlete. Hes listed at 265 so physically he'd have the body to play from day 1. Like you said though, ambidexterity is key for a scoring oriented big man and it takes a few offseasons to get good at it. Picking at 14 though, you're going to get flawed prospects. Its either going to be solid but low potential players or flawed but high potential (and high risk) players. You're not gonna get many big time impact players who are ready to go from day one and if you do take an NBA ready guy he probably wont be much more than a 6-8th man. I haven't seen a lot of JaVale McGee or DeAndre Jordan. I would say if Jordan is there you have to take him though. Excellent physical tools and his per-minute stats were insane, he just didn't get a lot of time coming off the bench. Extremely high potential, too much potential to pass up at 14. McGee just screams POB to me though. Small conference guy who did ok but not great. I've heard a lot of weird stuff about him too that hes lazy, a headcase, crybaby, really bad temper, etc. Don't know how much validity that has though. I know nothing about that Pekovic guy but I'd stay away from Speights. Theres nothing I really have that is negative to say about him other than the fact that he is pedestrian. Watching him, I saw nothing really stand out that makes me tihnk he can be anything in the NBA. He looks about 6'9, solid but not exceptional athlete, can score a little in college but, again, not nearly skilled enough to be a "scorer" in the NBA. Decent rebounder in college but, again, you gotta be great to be in the league. Saw little on defense that caught my eye. Hes a solid college player but I just don't see him do anything well enough to warrant taking him even in the first round. Maybe with another year of college he can continue to elevate his game and really become dominant at something but right now hes just pedestrian all around. Can do a little of everything but can't do anything really well. Reminds me of Josh Powell.
DeAndre Jordan? Really? I heard he got red flags all over. I guess it depended on what scout saw him play on which game. I heard the guy doesn't compete very well despite his nba body.
