<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So Kidd's not a quitter because Carter was?</div> I was giving a mere example. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd's effort this past year in Jersey is nothing compared to how he's playing now.</div> Honestly, I don't see a significant difference between his play in Jersey and Dallas this year. He's much more excited to be in Dallas, but it's not like he's taking his game to a whole new level. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>you don't remember his migrane?</div> You did say games, didn't you?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 22 2008, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So Kidd's not a quitter because Carter was?</div> I was giving a mere example. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd's effort this past year in Jersey is nothing compared to how he's playing now.</div> Honestly, I don't see a significant difference between his play in Jersey and Dallas this year. He's much more excited to be in Dallas, but it's not like he's taking his game to a whole new level. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>you don't remember his migrane?</div> You did say games, didn't you? </div> Well the example wasn't relevant, Kidd's playing on a whole 'nother level, and I did say games; he quit on the games played with us this year, I was giving a mere example I mean I can understand why you don't see this, its a matter of perspective: there are Nets fans and then there are Jason Kidd fans. In my eyes Kenyon Martin never got injured
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 22 2008, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Apr 22 2008, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So Kidd's not a quitter because Carter was?</div> I was giving a mere example. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd's effort this past year in Jersey is nothing compared to how he's playing now.</div> Honestly, I don't see a significant difference between his play in Jersey and Dallas this year. He's much more excited to be in Dallas, but it's not like he's taking his game to a whole new level. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>you don't remember his migrane?</div> You did say games, didn't you? </div> Well the example wasn't relevant, Kidd's playing on a whole 'nother level, and I did say games; he quit on the games played with us this year, I was giving a mere example I mean I can understand why you don't see this, its a matter of perspective: there are Nets fans and then there are Jason Kidd fans. In my eyes Kenyon Martin never got injured </div> Man are you blind. Your looking at how he is playing wiith Dallas now and with the Nets? His reaction is a given. Anybody out there who gets his wish would be a different person if granted that wish. But it doesn't mean Kidd did not give a 100% when he was on the floor for the Nets. He played through a cracked rib, bad back, bad knees and in a bad situation. Your using that one game he missed? If Kidd did intentionally skip that game because his heart wasn't in it, then I support him. Why? Because I'd rather have a player sit out a game if he won't give out a 100% than him playing half-heartedly, like some of the players in the NBA do. You call 12 triple doubles with the Nets this past season no effort? Get over yourself. Crying for losing the best player you ever had is one thing. Crying and mouthing off like you were left by a boyfriend is just pathetic. Whether you like it or not, Kidd is the best player (since Dr. J) the Nets has had and that player is now gone. "In my eyes Kenyon Martin never got injured"... what is your point?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Man are you blind. Your looking at how he is playing wiith Dallas now and with the Nets? His reaction is a given. Anybody out there who gets his wish would be a different person if granted that wish. But it doesn't mean Kidd did not give a 100% when he was on the floor for the Nets. He played through a cracked rib, bad back, bad knees and in a bad situation. Your using that one game he missed? If Kidd did intentionally skip that game because his heart wasn't in it, then I support him. Why? Because I'd rather have a player sit out a game if he won't give out a 100% than him playing half-heartedly, like some of the players in the NBA do. You call 12 triple doubles with the Nets this past season no effort? Get over yourself. Crying for losing the best player you ever had is one thing. Crying and mouthing off like you were left by a boyfriend is just pathetic. Whether you like it or not, Kidd is the best player (since Dr. J) the Nets has had and that player is now gone. "In my eyes Kenyon Martin never got injured"... what is your point? </div> So you say that anyone would play differently if in his position, yet I'm blind for holding that opinion? hahaha Oh and this is rich; when did I say I was crying that he left? Hell we don't even need to go to that extreme. Where did I say I was unhappy that he left? If anything you could deduce that I could be happy that he's gone, based on my opinion of how he played during his final years in New Jersey. You should have given my post another read-through to understand it before you went off. My quip about Kenyon Martin was a joke about being partial. I put a smiley at the end to convey that tone, but I'm sorry if it got lost. The internet is tricky like that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 22 2008, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Man are you blind. Your looking at how he is playing wiith Dallas now and with the Nets? His reaction is a given. Anybody out there who gets his wish would be a different person if granted that wish. But it doesn't mean Kidd did not give a 100% when he was on the floor for the Nets. He played through a cracked rib, bad back, bad knees and in a bad situation. Your using that one game he missed? If Kidd did intentionally skip that game because his heart wasn't in it, then I support him. Why? Because I'd rather have a player sit out a game if he won't give out a 100% than him playing half-heartedly, like some of the players in the NBA do. You call 12 triple doubles with the Nets this past season no effort? Get over yourself. Crying for losing the best player you ever had is one thing. Crying and mouthing off like you were left by a boyfriend is just pathetic. Whether you like it or not, Kidd is the best player (since Dr. J) the Nets has had and that player is now gone. "In my eyes Kenyon Martin never got injured"... what is your point? </div> So you say that anyone would play differently if in his position, yet I'm blind for holding that opinion? hahaha Oh and this is rich; when did I say I was crying that he left? Hell we don't even need to go to that extreme. Where did I say I was unhappy that he left? If anything you could deduce that I could be happy that he's gone, based on my opinion of how he played during his final years in New Jersey. You should have given my post another read-through to understand it before you went off. My quip about Kenyon Martin was a joke about being partial. I put a smiley at the end to convey that tone, but I'm sorry if it got lost. The internet is tricky like that. </div> When you ask someone who has been crying if their alright and they say they are, do you believe them? Say what you want. But fact is, it is because of Jason Kidd that the Nets were a playoff team. Take a long hard look at the Nets history before Kidd. That is if you want to cry again.
You know what Jigga? Why don't you just go root for Denver, you Jersey-hating, Kidd-hating bastard! Bastard in a basket! Correction, insider: Kidd was the best player the Nets had post-ABA. He's gone from that, to a shell of his former self. He used to be a god in Jersey, and while still respected/loved/[whatever you wanna call it] for what he did for Jersey, you can't just act like he was an angel this season. Kidd wanted out of Jersey. Everyone knew that before the season started. He created a sour, shitty atmosphere for the Nets team at the beginning of the season. He didn't act like the leader we all thought he was. He basically gave up on the team, but still put up pretty stats and triple-doubles so that he could showcase his skills and get traded to a good team, for a chance to win a championship. You wanna know why? Because he's a selfish bastard. A 20 million dollar bastard. For shame, Jason!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When you ask someone who has been crying if their alright and they say they are, do you believe them? Say what you want. But fact is, it is because of Jason Kidd that the Nets were a playoff team. Take a long hard look at the Nets history before Kidd. That is if you want to cry again. </div> hahahaha what!? Hey that's no fair. So how is it beneficial to anything: conversation, or your own objectivity, if you construct these dillusions and then don't listen to people when they elaborate on their opinions? I won't cry if I look at the Nets history before Kidd because I wasn't a fan of the team before Kidd came to the Nets. Now I know what you're thinking "mehhhh Main Event is going to cry anyway mehhhhh" but trust me I don't have any emotional attachments to the team pre-Kidd (hahaha I can't believe I even have to justify it like this). There's another issue of acknowleging Kidd's benefit to the Nets at the same time disapproving of his latest escapades. That's perfectly acceptable. It would be horribly biased for me to discount his work toward this franchise. At the same time I'd be just as biased if I chose to wear rose-colored glasses and not judge his more recent behavior objectively. ...ok insider, lets hear it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 22 2008, 01:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You know what Jigga? Why don't you just go root for Denver, you Jersey-hating, Kidd-hating bastard! Bastard in a basket! Correction, insider: Kidd was the best player the Nets had post-ABA. He's gone from that, to a shell of his former self. He used to be a god in Jersey, and while still respected/loved/[whatever you wanna call it] for what he did for Jersey, you can't just act like he was an angel this season. Kidd wanted out of Jersey. Everyone knew that before the season started. He created a sour, shitty atmosphere for the Nets team at the beginning of the season. He didn't act like the leader we all thought he was. He basically gave up on the team, but still put up pretty stats and triple-doubles so that he could showcase his skills and get traded to a good team, for a chance to win a championship. You wanna know why? Because he's a selfish bastard. A 20 million dollar bastard. For shame, Jason!</div> What would you have done in a situation where you did everything yourself? Intstead of moving forward after back to back finals appearances, what does the Nets do? Strip his supporting cast one by one. Not enough? Let's see what our temp coach can do for a couple of more years. What else? Hmmm... Let's not give our best player a reasonable extension. On top of that let's give one of the laziest, no heart, fade away shooting player in the NBA a 60 million dollar raise. Anyway, we don't need to win, we're moving to Brooklyn! All you people see is Kidd wanting out. You never bothered to look at the reason behind it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 22 2008, 01:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You know what Jigga? Why don't you just go root for Denver, you Jersey-hating, Kidd-hating bastard! Bastard in a basket!</div> lol "I've abandoned my team! I've abandoned my team! I've abandoned my team!" I actually tried to follow the Nuggets and Nets after Kenyon got traded, especially during the Eric Williams-era (mother of god). Still, I couldn't do it. I just had no attachment to the Nuggets; their colors, their players, their logos, whatever. Additionally I couldn't grasp how it was interesting to watch a game when the only enjoyment you'd get out of watching "your team" was when your player was on the court. To this end the Vince-fans, Stromile-fans, and Kidd-fans sort of escape me. I think their experience with the NBA would be much more enriched if they chose to attach themsleves to a franchise and not a player. Players are temporary, but franchises are forever.* <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">*but also Kenyon Martin</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 02:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What would you have done in a situation where you did everything yourself? Intstead of moving forward after back to back finals appearances, what does the Nets do? Strip his supporting cast one by one. Not enough? Let's see what our temp coach can do for a couple of more years. What else? Hmmm... Let's not give our best player a reasonable extension. On top of that let's give one of the laziest, no heart, fade away shooting player in the NBA a 60 million dollar raise. Anyway, we don't need to win, we're moving to Brooklyn! All you people see is Kidd wanting out. You never bothered to look at the reason behind it.</div> Jason isn't paid to play with the players of his choosing. He's paid to play basketball and play as hard as he can to the team he's under contract for. Anything else violates the spirit of his contact, and is unprofessional.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 22 2008, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When you ask someone who has been crying if their alright and they say they are, do you believe them? Say what you want. But fact is, it is because of Jason Kidd that the Nets were a playoff team. Take a long hard look at the Nets history before Kidd. That is if you want to cry again. </div> hahahaha what!? Hey that's no fair. So how is it beneficial to anything: conversation, or your own objectivity, if you construct these dillusions and then don't listen to people when they elaborate on their opinions? I won't cry if I look at the Nets history before Kidd because I wasn't a fan of the team before Kidd came to the Nets. Now I know what you're thinking "mehhhh Main Event is going to cry anyway mehhhhh" but trust me I don't have any emotional attachments to the team pre-Kidd (hahaha I can't believe I even have to justify it like this). There's another issue of acknowleging Kidd's benefit to the Nets at the same time disapproving of his latest escapades. That's perfectly acceptable. It would be horribly biased for me to discount his work toward this franchise. At the same time I'd be just as biased if I chose to wear rose-colored glasses and not judge his more recent behavior objectively. ...ok insider, lets hear it. </div> There, you said it. You were not a fan of the Nets before Kidd. So how can you put judgement on something that you barely knew. All you have knowledge of the situation is during the Kidd-era. At least the others who has words for Kidd has the backing of years of loyalty to the team. You don't even know what your defending or whatever it is your trying to prove or say. Your no Nets fan. Don't parade in here like your a true Net fan. There are a lot of loyal, die-hard fans in here, and your not one of them. You just jumped in the Kidd bandwagon and now your just bickering after he left. And oh, take your rose-colored metaphor with you litle girl.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There, you said it. You were not a fan of the Nets before Kidd. So how can you put judgement on something that you barely knew.</div> Well considering that we're talking about the time that Kidd was on the team, how is anything else relevant? I barely know anything about Kidd being on the team because I only started being a fan with Kidd being on the team LOL this is great. I didn't think I'd get involved with this thread but you've certainly made it entertaining, and therefore worthwile. But as for the little girl comment, you should concentrate your focus on knowing what we're talking about rather than wasting cognitive resources trying to come up with petty "insults." I think it'll really improve the quality of discussion if you keep it together.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 22 2008, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 02:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What would you have done in a situation where you did everything yourself? Intstead of moving forward after back to back finals appearances, what does the Nets do? Strip his supporting cast one by one. Not enough? Let's see what our temp coach can do for a couple of more years. What else? Hmmm... Let's not give our best player a reasonable extension. On top of that let's give one of the laziest, no heart, fade away shooting player in the NBA a 60 million dollar raise. Anyway, we don't need to win, we're moving to Brooklyn! All you people see is Kidd wanting out. You never bothered to look at the reason behind it.</div> Jason isn't paid to play with the players of his choosing. He's paid to play basketball and play as hard as he can to the team he's under contract for. Anything else violates the spirit of his contact, and is unprofessional. </div> It is not about getting players that Kidd wanted. It's about building the proper foundation to be able to achieve goals that teams and players alike set. Let's see you buy a porche with merely a thousand bucks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It is not about getting players that Kidd wanted. It's about building the proper foundation to be able to achieve goals that teams and players alike set. Let's see you buy a porche with merely a thousand bucks.</div> Of course, what Nets fan doesn't want to see a great team? But that complaint should be placed with the front office, and doesn't really pertain to Jason Kidd.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 22 2008, 02:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There, you said it. You were not a fan of the Nets before Kidd. So how can you put judgement on something that you barely knew.</div> Well considering that we're talking about the time that Kidd was on the team, how is anything else relevant? I barely know anything about Kidd being on the team because I only started being a fan with Kidd being on the team LOL this is great. I didn't think I'd get involved with this thread but you've certainly made it entertaining, and therefore worthwile. But as for the little girl comment, you should concentrate your focus on knowing what we're talking about rather than wasting cognitive resources trying to come up with petty "insults." I think it'll really improve the quality of discussion if you keep it together. </div> Concentrate my focus? Anyway... Do you even know what your talking about? How does knowing nothing about anything become a positive thing? Boy your a waste of space. (hey I called you a boy this time... )
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 22 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It is not about getting players that Kidd wanted. It's about building the proper foundation to be able to achieve goals that teams and players alike set. Let's see you buy a porche with merely a thousand bucks.</div> Of course, what Nets fan doesn't want to see a great team? But that complaint should be placed with the front office, and doesn't really pertain to Jason Kidd. </div> Are you for real? You really don't know squat! Or are you just used to getting your tail caught by a closing door?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 22 2008, 02:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There, you said it. You were not a fan of the Nets before Kidd. So how can you put judgement on something that you barely knew.</div> Well considering that we're talking about the time that Kidd was on the team, how is anything else relevant? I barely know anything about Kidd being on the team because I only started being a fan with Kidd being on the team LOL this is great. I didn't think I'd get involved with this thread but you've certainly made it entertaining, and therefore worthwile. But as for the little girl comment, you should concentrate your focus on knowing what we're talking about rather than wasting cognitive resources trying to come up with petty "insults." I think it'll really improve the quality of discussion if you keep it together. </div> Concentrate my focus? Anyway... Do you even know what your talking about? How does knowing nothing about anything become a positive thing? Boy your a waste of space. (hey I called you a boy this time... ) </div> I don't think you understand what we're talking about. That, or you don't know enough about the subject and need to pull in irrelevant topics to fill our your posts. We're talking about the Kidd-era, and therefore knowledge of the Kidd-era is relevant. So what if I was never a Nets fan before Kidd got here, thats not what we're talking about.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 22 2008, 02:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Main Event @ Apr 22 2008, 02:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There, you said it. You were not a fan of the Nets before Kidd. So how can you put judgement on something that you barely knew.</div> Well considering that we're talking about the time that Kidd was on the team, how is anything else relevant? I barely know anything about Kidd being on the team because I only started being a fan with Kidd being on the team LOL this is great. I didn't think I'd get involved with this thread but you've certainly made it entertaining, and therefore worthwile. But as for the little girl comment, you should concentrate your focus on knowing what we're talking about rather than wasting cognitive resources trying to come up with petty "insults." I think it'll really improve the quality of discussion if you keep it together. </div> Concentrate my focus? Anyway... Do you even know what your talking about? How does knowing nothing about anything become a positive thing? Boy your a waste of space. (hey I called you a boy this time... ) </div> I don't think you understand what we're talking about. That, or you don't know enough about the subject and need to pull in irrelevant topics to fill our your posts. We're talking about the Kidd-era, and therefore knowledge of the Kidd-era is relevant. So what if I was never a Nets fan before Kidd got here, thats not what we're talking about. </div> It is relevant. This will give you a better perspective of what kind of impact Jason Kidd had to the Nets. From lottery bound to the best in the East. How did this come about? Jason Kidd's arrival. If that's not relevant, I don't know what is. Your stand is that Kidd quit on the team. Kidd wanting to be dealt justifies your notion that Jason Kidd quit on the Nets. Right? Wrong. Follow the trail of events. Research on why Kidd came to his decision. It's not something that just happened overnight. Kidd did not quit on the Nets.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (insider @ Apr 22 2008, 03:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It is relevant. This will give you a better perspective of what kind of impact Jason Kidd had to the Nets. From lottery bound to the best in the East. How did this come about? Jason Kidd's arrival. If that's not relevant, I don't know what is. Your stand is that Kidd quit on the team. Kidd wanting to be dealt justifies your notion that Jason Kidd quit on the Nets. Right? Wrong. Follow the trail of events. Research on why Kidd came to his decision. It's not something that just happened overnight. Kidd did not quit on the Nets.</div> It's not relevant. Why do you think that I needed to be a fan to know that the Nets sucked in the years before Kidd got there? By that same token you shouldn't know anything about the teams in the NBA except the ones you followed, and I'd be willing to bet that isn't true. Kidd did quit on the Nets, but I didn't come to that conclusion because he wanted to be traded. Those are two separate issues. I understand why he wanted to be traded, and that's fine. But had he held himself to a professional standard he would have done his job to his best ability regardless; he didn't, he gave up, and quit on them. Had he voiced his displeasure and continued to play at the level he is now with the Mavs, the same level he did during the Nets the past couple of years, I don't think anyone would have any ill feelings toward him. If anything, they would have respected him more for continuing to show fortitude while playing with a depleated roster. That would have been quite an example.
