<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 22 2008, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 22 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I say he comes to the Raptors and becomes that 3 guard we need.</div> I thought Bosh wanted that job! </div> It's Mitchell that wants Bosh to have that job.
Unless we can get a quality big man in return, then I see no reason in trading RJ. And I dont see many available 4's or 5's, and teams rarely trade big for small. So if we trade RJ for expiring contracts and draft picks, we may as well deal VC too. Otherwise it would be stupid to do so. If we trade RJ for another wing player... why do it in the first place? It's a lateral move that doesn't do much for us.
I'd trade RJ for another wing if a better opporunity presented itself. RJ started out as a good defensive player. Then NJ struggled with shooting and he tries to become more of a shooter.. all the time losing focus on defense. So now, instead of being a good slasher/defender/running mate, he turned into a "jack of all trades"... except instead of being a jack, he's more like an 8 :/ With Harris here, we dont need his penetration. His defense isn't as good as it used to be, and he's not nearly as good of a spot up shooter as we need. Trade him for a spot up shooter who can defend + picks and I'm happy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Apr 22 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Unless we can get a quality big man in return, then I see no reason in trading RJ. And I dont see many available 4's or 5's, and teams rarely trade big for small. So if we trade RJ for expiring contracts and draft picks, we may as well deal VC too. Otherwise it would be stupid to do so. If we trade RJ for another wing player... why do it in the first place? It's a lateral move that doesn't do much for us.</div> RJ's value has peaked. He is what he is--he could be the "last piece" that puts a good team over the top and vaults them to contender status. The Nets need a dead-eye outside shooter to stop opposing teams from simply doubling on Vince and packing the paint on defense. With RJ, I ASSUME that you have to find a team in win-now mode that needs someone with his skill set, and, much like the Kidd deal, trade him for a younger, cheaper, still-developing version of himself plus a pick and a contract. The key is that the player the Nets get in that deal already be ready to contribute--he's not a total project. He can shoot; he can play defense. A team like Golden State might be ready to make a deal like that. But you don't stop there. At the same time, the Nets package their OWN lottery pick plus one of the Williamses for a guy in his prime like, say, Brand. So you end up with Harris, Vince, some shooter at SF (who hopefully can play defense), and Brand, plus you still have one or two first-round picks to use.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 22 2008, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>RJ's value has peaked. He is what he is--he could be the "last piece" that puts a good team over the top and vaults them to contender status. The Nets need a dead-eye outside shooter to stop opposing teams from simply doubling on Vince and packing the paint on defense. With RJ, I ASSUME that you have to find a team in win-now mode that needs someone with his skill set, and, much like the Kidd deal, trade him for a younger, cheaper, still-developing version of himself plus a pick and a contract. The key is that the player the Nets get in that deal already be ready to contribute--he's not a total project. He can shoot; he can play defense. A team like Golden State might be ready to make a deal like that. But you don't stop there. At the same time, the Nets package their OWN lottery pick plus one of the Williamses for a guy in his prime like, say, Brand. So you end up with Harris, Vince, some shooter at SF (who hopefully can play defense), and Brand, plus you still have one or two first-round picks to use.</div> If they are first able to get a big like Brand for a package of Swift, Hassell, the Williams, and their pick, then another option to go with RJ if they want to trade him is to use him to gain quality bench depth. A team like the Raptors would be good trade partners with all the shooters they have that could be incorporated into a Nets 2nd unit. Only problem is they are in the same division and could really use a wing like RJ. They have guys like Parker, Kapono, Bargnani, Moon and maybe even Calderon who could be used in a trade. So say could get Parker, Bargnani, + Moon and maybe a pick or RJ. Then they use there MLE for a backup PG like Gibson and resign Diop and Nachbar. And then use Van Horn + Ager in a trade for a SF like Pietrus That could give them a bench of: Gibson Parker Nachbar/Moon Bargnani Diop/Boone
Oh god no, that trade is terrible for the Raptors. I wouldn't trade either Parker or Bargnani straight up for Jefferson. The Raptors are just below contender status, but they aren't in a "win now" mode, like Dumpy was talking about. Our core is still very young and our window of opportunity should extend on for quite some time. We can count on internal development and have the freedom to find sensible, quality pieces to add to the roster. We don't need to gamble it all on that one player who could "push us over the top." Bringing in Jefferson would needlessly mess up our salary structure for the next few years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 22 2008, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Apr 22 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Unless we can get a quality big man in return, then I see no reason in trading RJ. And I dont see many available 4's or 5's, and teams rarely trade big for small. So if we trade RJ for expiring contracts and draft picks, we may as well deal VC too. Otherwise it would be stupid to do so. If we trade RJ for another wing player... why do it in the first place? It's a lateral move that doesn't do much for us.</div> RJ's value has peaked. He is what he is--he could be the "last piece" that puts a good team over the top and vaults them to contender status. The Nets need a dead-eye outside shooter to stop opposing teams from simply doubling on Vince and packing the paint on defense. With RJ, I ASSUME that you have to find a team in win-now mode that needs someone with his skill set, and, much like the Kidd deal, trade him for a younger, cheaper, still-developing version of himself plus a pick and a contract. The key is that the player the Nets get in that deal already be ready to contribute--he's not a total project. He can shoot; he can play defense. A team like Golden State might be ready to make a deal like that. But you don't stop there. At the same time, the Nets package their OWN lottery pick plus one of the Williamses for a guy in his prime like, say, Brand. So you end up with Harris, Vince, some shooter at SF (who hopefully can play defense), and Brand, plus you still have one or two first-round picks to use. </div> He may have peaked, but is that a bad thing? Afterall he isn't 21 anymore. With Captain Jack and Ellis, I dont see the Warriors being interested. The only teams that in my mind would be viable trading partners or who would be interested in him are Portland, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Chicago (only if they cant come to an agreement with Deng). With Portland and Atlanta being the most realistic IMHO. Brand is a pipedream. He is not leaving LA and Sterling loves him. He'll retire a Clipper.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Apr 22 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 22 2008, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Apr 22 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Unless we can get a quality big man in return, then I see no reason in trading RJ. And I dont see many available 4's or 5's, and teams rarely trade big for small. So if we trade RJ for expiring contracts and draft picks, we may as well deal VC too. Otherwise it would be stupid to do so. If we trade RJ for another wing player... why do it in the first place? It's a lateral move that doesn't do much for us.</div> RJ's value has peaked. He is what he is--he could be the "last piece" that puts a good team over the top and vaults them to contender status. The Nets need a dead-eye outside shooter to stop opposing teams from simply doubling on Vince and packing the paint on defense. With RJ, I ASSUME that you have to find a team in win-now mode that needs someone with his skill set, and, much like the Kidd deal, trade him for a younger, cheaper, still-developing version of himself plus a pick and a contract. The key is that the player the Nets get in that deal already be ready to contribute--he's not a total project. He can shoot; he can play defense. A team like Golden State might be ready to make a deal like that. But you don't stop there. At the same time, the Nets package their OWN lottery pick plus one of the Williamses for a guy in his prime like, say, Brand. So you end up with Harris, Vince, some shooter at SF (who hopefully can play defense), and Brand, plus you still have one or two first-round picks to use. </div> He may have peaked, but is that a bad thing? Afterall he isn't 21 anymore. With Captain Jack and Ellis, I dont see the Warriors being interested. The only teams that in my mind would be viable trading partners or who would be interested in him are Portland, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Chicago (only if they cant come to an agreement with Deng). With Portland and Atlanta being the most realistic IMHO. Brand is a pipedream. He is not leaving LA and Sterling loves him. He'll retire a Clipper. </div> why would ATL want him? they already have Marvin, Jsmoove, and Childress is restricted. If they would want him, could we get Childress, Speedy and a pick?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Apr 22 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 22 2008, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Apr 22 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Unless we can get a quality big man in return, then I see no reason in trading RJ. And I dont see many available 4's or 5's, and teams rarely trade big for small. So if we trade RJ for expiring contracts and draft picks, we may as well deal VC too. Otherwise it would be stupid to do so. If we trade RJ for another wing player... why do it in the first place? It's a lateral move that doesn't do much for us.</div> RJ's value has peaked. He is what he is--he could be the "last piece" that puts a good team over the top and vaults them to contender status. The Nets need a dead-eye outside shooter to stop opposing teams from simply doubling on Vince and packing the paint on defense. With RJ, I ASSUME that you have to find a team in win-now mode that needs someone with his skill set, and, much like the Kidd deal, trade him for a younger, cheaper, still-developing version of himself plus a pick and a contract. The key is that the player the Nets get in that deal already be ready to contribute--he's not a total project. He can shoot; he can play defense. A team like Golden State might be ready to make a deal like that. But you don't stop there. At the same time, the Nets package their OWN lottery pick plus one of the Williamses for a guy in his prime like, say, Brand. So you end up with Harris, Vince, some shooter at SF (who hopefully can play defense), and Brand, plus you still have one or two first-round picks to use. </div> He may have peaked, but is that a bad thing? Afterall he isn't 21 anymore. With Captain Jack and Ellis, I dont see the Warriors being interested. The only teams that in my mind would be viable trading partners or who would be interested in him are Portland, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Chicago (only if they cant come to an agreement with Deng). With Portland and Atlanta being the most realistic IMHO. Brand is a pipedream. He is not leaving LA and Sterling loves him. He'll retire a Clipper. </div> In terms of trade negotiations that's a bad thing, because his salary increases a lot over the next 4 years.
The teams that I think might be looking for someone like RJ include: <ul>[*]Toronto (needs a hard-nosed slasher that can generate inside offense and FT opportunities while still being an outside thread)[*]Houston (badly needs another scorer)[*]Portland (up and coming team in need of a solid vet with playoff experience)[*]Utah (a 20 ppg SF who moves well off the ball would solidify their chances to compete for a title)[*]Phoenix (would love a 3 that can finish strong on the break to replace Marion)[*]Sacramento (likely losing Artest and needs a scoring 3 who moves well without the ball and can score in a variety of ways)[*]Miami might well be interested if they lose Marion to free agency.[*]Lakers might be interested in swapping Odom for a guy like RJ in recognition of the fact that a quicker 3 with more consistency as a long range shooter would be desirable to compliment a starting front court of Bynum and Gasol.[/list] So that's at least 6 and possibly 8 teams that might have a legit interest in RJ.
Utah seems like the best bet. The returning piece would most likelky include Kirilenko, but another contract is needed from NJ to make contracts equal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 22 2008, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The teams that I think might be looking for someone like RJ include: <ul>[*]Toronto (needs a hard-nosed slasher that can generate inside offense and FT opportunities while still being an outside thread)[*]Houston (badly needs another scorer)[*]Portland (up and coming team in need of a solid vet with playoff experience)[*]Utah (a 20 ppg SF who moves well off the ball would solidify their chances to compete for a title)[*]Phoenix (would love a 3 that can finish strong on the break to replace Marion)[*]Sacramento (likely losing Artest and needs a scoring 3 who moves well without the ball and can score in a variety of ways)[*]Miami might well be interested if they lose Marion to free agency.[*]Lakers might be interested in swapping Odom for a guy like RJ in recognition of the fact that a quicker 3 with more consistency as a long range shooter would be desirable to compliment a starting front court of Bynum and Gasol.[/list] So that's at least 6 and possibly 8 teams that might have a legit interest in RJ.</div> I don't see Houston because McGrady and Battier fit well there. They need a PF, PG and bench help. Sacramento is rebuilding now and won't need RJ. Phoenix may not be in the market either. A lot depends on their playoff run. Golden St should be added to the list. They just missed playoffs and need to tweak something. And Atlanta if they want to add more veteran presence to an up and coming young playoff team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 22 2008, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The teams that I think might be looking for someone like RJ include: <ul>[*]Toronto (needs a hard-nosed slasher that can generate inside offense and FT opportunities while still being an outside thread)[*]Houston (badly needs another scorer)[*]Portland (up and coming team in need of a solid vet with playoff experience)[*]Utah (a 20 ppg SF who moves well off the ball would solidify their chances to compete for a title)[*]Phoenix (would love a 3 that can finish strong on the break to replace Marion)[*]Sacramento (likely losing Artest and needs a scoring 3 who moves well without the ball and can score in a variety of ways)[*]Miami might well be interested if they lose Marion to free agency.[*]Lakers might be interested in swapping Odom for a guy like RJ in recognition of the fact that a quicker 3 with more consistency as a long range shooter would be desirable to compliment a starting front court of Bynum and Gasol.[/list] So that's at least 6 and possibly 8 teams that might have a legit interest in RJ.</div> Toronto I think you made a great point especially after this series with the magic will look to get Bosh some help. Phx depends on how the Spurs series play out. They are already over the cap. Maybe they get rid of Diaw how has not been the same since. Artest I don't know if he is opting out. Miami same with marion. Lakers don't know they are already over the cap plus ever since the Gasol trade odom has no longer the pressure of being pippen to kobe's jordan.
maybe to Houston for Battier+Scola? Battier would be exactly what Rod wants, a defensive wing who can shoot from outside, and Scola would be a good scoring big, probably our best big. If we could get Starbosa from Phoenix that'd be awesome, along with Atlantas pick or something? Or Rudy from Portland, perhaps Kapono+Moon+pick from TOR? We know we'd be getting Kirilenko from Utah in that deal, and I dunno what we could really get from sacramento, we couldn't get KMart, who else do they have? S&T for Artest? get their pick too?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 22 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see Houston because McGrady and Battier fit well there. They need a PF, PG and bench help. Sacramento is rebuilding now and won't need RJ. Phoenix may not be in the market either. A lot depends on their playoff run. Golden St should be added to the list. They just missed playoffs and need to tweak something. And Atlanta if they want to add more veteran presence to an up and coming young playoff team.</div> I agree re Golden State. Not so sure about Atlanta as they have several talented but much cheaper options at the SF position, including Josh Childress, who is a RFA this year. I don't consider Sacramento entirely rebuilding, as they still have Miller for two more years at a pretty high salary and Martin settling into a new contract this year as a 20+ scorer that could use another scorer next to him. RJ is still just 27 with 3 more years on his deal, which I would think is within the window a team like Sacramento is looking toward to try to make the playoffs and be competitive again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Apr 22 2008, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>maybe to Houston for Battier+Scola?</div> Battier would be a perfect, low cost addition to replace RJ, allowing another, more offensive-minded wing (like Mike Miller) to be acquired for a nice 3-man wing rotation. Problem is Battier offers something highly valuable to Houston also, an all-NBA caliber defender to take on the best opposing wing every night. Not sure an opposing GM would regard the offensive upgrade RJ provides as worth that, although RJ used to be a decent defender (and presumably could be again) and is (surprisingly) 2 years younger. There's no way, however, that I think they would give up both Scola and Battier for RJ. Besides, the numbers don't work. More realistic would be Battier and Bobby Jackson (who has one year left on his deal), and those numbers do work. I might do that deal if I was sure I could land a Miller or Dunleavy or James Jones to add to the mix. I've always liked Bobby Jackson. And although he's not the player he was, he's still a credible 3-point threat, a veteran with deep playoff experience, and an energetic player that uses his body well on both ends and could provide a good backup PG presence, allowing us to move Marcus in a seperate deal.
Houston isnt going to give up battier. Atlanta has Joe Johnson, they dont need a duplicate in RJ. I think Portland is going to be interested, they need help at the 3 spot. and at pg. A deal around marcus, RJ, for Jarret Jack, travis outlaw, martell Webster, James Jones Portland wont re-sign Lafrentz and therefore they would be around the max cap.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ Apr 22 2008, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Houston isnt going to give up battier. Atlanta has Joe Johnson, they dont need a duplicate in RJ. I think Portland is going to be interested, they need help at the 3 spot. and at pg. A deal around marcus, RJ, for Jarret Jack, travis outlaw, martell Webster, James Jones Portland wont re-sign Lafrentz and therefore they would be around the max cap.</div> James Jones is going to be a free agent (he seems to be opting out). I could see Jack, Webster or Outlaw, Frye as some pieces Portland would probably we willing to move. We also have Raefs expiring contract. I don't know how the salaries would work for some of those guys though. Rudy probably won't be moved until he is in the NBA for a season so Portland can see what they have (our GM is really excited about Rudy and is working his ass off to get him over here next year).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 28 2008, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JFizzleRaider @ Jan 28 2008, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 28 2008, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First I'd trade Kidd to La...lots of moving parts here... Kidd Trade LA would also have to include a first round pick... Then I'd see if Portland would be interested in adding RJ to there tandem of Aldridge and Roy... RJ Trade Portland would also have to include a first round pick I don't know...I guess I'm pulling at straws here but I think both these deals are not only feasible but would help all teams involved LA would get better, Portland would get better and we would gain a better future... Just a few ideas...obviously this is a rebuilding plan.</div> Portland is not trading Outlaw, you can count on that. Kevin Pritchard has already said he will not be making any trades this year (at least until the offseason Why mess with chemistry like that? Sergio and Outlaw are Aldridges best friends on the team too FWIW </div> They were just for fun man...I will say I believe both trades and especially the RJ trade to be not only fair but actually a little more beneficial to the other teams. Don't get me wrong...Martell Webster is a nice player as is Outlaw...and I like Sergio but the facts are that this trade would help Portland in a variety of ways... 1) They get a young superstar with more playoff experience than there entire roster combined. 2) Raef Lafrentz and his ridiculous contract is off there books 3) They gain two players with expiring contracts who actually can contribute 4) They gain room for Europeans and Oden to be added to roster next season Yeah it would mess with chemistry...but the reality is that moves are gonna be needed this offseason anyway and the addition of RJ might actually benefit them come playoff time. Really I think there roster would be improved dramatically. PG: Blake, Jack SG: Roy, Wright SF: RJ, Boki PF: Aldridge, Channing Frye C: Pryzabilla, McRoberts hell if they really need more I'd throw in Nenad as I think we might not resign him anyway. modified RJ trade... IDK I just like the idea of rebuilding...Portland is a playoff team but they've recently cooled off...this might jumpstart them. </div> To update: updated RealGM Trade Checker™ Powered by RealGM: Software Provider to NBA Teams Step 1: Select the TeamsChoose at least two teams from the menus below to start your trade. Step 2: Choose the PlayersSelect the players you wish to trade from the rosters below. Step 3: Verify the TradeConfirm that your trade proposal is valid according to the NBA collective bargaining agreement. Successful Trade Scenario Congratulations on a successful trade. Due to Portland and New Jersey being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Portland and New Jersey had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Trade ID Trade ID #4568857 Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. Try Another Trade or visit our Trade Forum. Portland Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: +3.8 ppg, -2.5 rpg, and +1.0 apg. Incoming Players Richard Jefferson 6-7 SF from Arizona 22.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 3.1 apg in 39.0 minutes Stromile Swift 6-10 PF from Louisiana State 6.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.6 apg in 15.7 minutes Outgoing Players Raef LaFrentz 6-11 PF / C from Kansas 1.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 7.6 minutes Travis Outlaw 6-9 SF from Starkville (HS) 13.3 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 1.3 apg in 26.7 minutes Martell Webster 6-7 SG from Seattle Prep (HS) 10.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.2 apg in 28.4 minutes New Jersey Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: -3.8 ppg, +2.5 rpg, and -1.0 apg. Incoming Players Raef LaFrentz 6-11 PF / C from Kansas 1.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 7.6 minutes Travis Outlaw 6-9 SF from Starkville (HS) 13.3 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 1.3 apg in 26.7 minutes Martell Webster 6-7 SG from Seattle Prep (HS) 10.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.2 apg in 28.4 minutes Outgoing Players Richard Jefferson 6-7 SF from Arizona 22.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 3.1 apg in 39.0 minutes Stromile Swift 6-10 PF from Louisiana State 6.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.6 apg in 15.7 minutes Portland would also send there first... giving us 3 first rounders...allowing us greater flexibilty, also gives us two young players and a large expiring contract. PG: Devin Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Vince Carter, Chase Budinger SF: Travis Outlaw, Martell Webster PF: Sean Williams, Maresse Spreights C: Josh Boone, Hasheem Thabeet, That be a young team...
Speaking of Martell Webster, what's the status on his heart issue? Purely minor and treatable with medication? And to the Portland fans that posted in this thread: Wouldn't the team rather keep Webster than Jones?
