Official Raptors Off-Season Thread!

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  1. Master Shake

    Master Shake young phoenix

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    So, guys, now that our season has come to an abrupt end, it's time to talk off-season. Here we'll talk free agents, coaching, players, improvement and draft picks and drafting in general. I'll give a link to BasX's draft threads.

    Now, lets get this started with some questions. I'd like to get your feedback on them.

    Who do you think the Raptors should get as their new head coach if Sam Mitchell is fired?

    Which FA's would you like to see brought in?

    Which players would you like to see traded?
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    </u><span style="color:#ff0000"><u>BasX Draft Threads:</u>

    Official Draft Thread

    Official Draft Discussion Thread
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    <span style="color:#ff0000"><u>2007 - 08 Toronto Raptors Season Review</u>

    Maceo Baston

    Jason Kapono

    Joey Graham

    Primoz Brezec

    Jorge Garbajosa

    Kris Humphries

    Rasho Nesterovic

    Carlos Delfino

    Andrea Bargnani

    Jamario Moon

    Anthony Parker

    TJ Ford

    Jose Calderon

    Chris Bosh
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    <span style="color:#ff0000"><u>ESPN Trade Machine</u></span>
     
  2. MosDefinitely

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    Is there a FA list? Because I cant remember player contracts whom are not on the Raptor's roster.

    Anyways I think I can go another season with Mitchell as the head coach but if Colangelo is still serious as developing Bargnani as a super-star then Mitchell is not the coach to do it.

    Players I would like to see traded would be Ford or Jose (If Jose can fetch us something really good I can live with TJ being the PG of the future), Rasho, Graham, Baston, Brezec,.....I could pretty much make an arguement for any player besides Bosh if the offer is good.
     
  3. Kaz

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    the core of this team is bosh and either TJ or Jose and Parker
    who are we missing? Garbo BIG TIMEEEEEEE
    fire mitchell, get van gundy
    trade: joey, primo, baston (if ur not gonna use him), and TJ
    for a rebounder defender
    develop AB
    FA: a mo pete type of player (defense, rebound)
    now you'll have a contender team
     
  4. Master Shake

    Master Shake young phoenix

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    Trade I was thinking about:

    <u>Toronto Sends: </u>

    Jose Calderon

    Andrea Bargnani

    <u>Atlanta Sends:</u>

    Josh Smith


    Why I like it: I'm fine with having TJ as our PG and Roko is coming over. Bargnani who is very inconsistent can get some time.
    Atlanta finds a great starter-type PG who has no problem playing back-up. They can release Law or trade him to another team. Raptors get a great shot blocking, rebounding can do almost anything type PF. Bosh plays C and Moon or draft pick (CDR!) plays SF.
     
  5. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    My offseason plan really only hinges on two things: re-sign Jose Calderon and replace Sam Mitchell. I think the team definitely needs a bit of work, specifically at the swingman and point guard positions. But we can't really focus on any of that until we get a clear direction/blueprint going forward, and that requires those two moves, IMO.
     
  6. BasX

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Dallas Morning News -
    There is growing speculation that the Mavericks could decide to rid themselves of Josh Howard through a trade this summer, according to the Dallas Morning News.

    His value may have diminished over the last few months because of his struggles during the playoffs and his recent admission that he smokes marijuana during the offseason, but he's still considered a high-level talent.

    His contract is also reasonable.

    "There's always ways to keep the window open, or open the window back up," Dirk Nowitzki said of the Mavericks pending offseason changes. "We all know trades are part of this business. There's always possibilities out there. We'll see what happens this offseason."</div>

    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/522...de_josh_howard/

    http://sportstwo.com/forums/Mavericks-Trad...79#entry1604679

    any interest?
     
  7. shookem

    shookem Still not a bust

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MosDefinitely @ Apr 28 2008, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is there a FA list? Because I cant remember player contracts whom are not on the Raptor's roster.</div>

    Dude, it's all part of the site itself. At the top of the page beside team stats check out the salaries.

    Last offseason all we heard about was the 'core', chris, andrea and tj.
    looking at that the future, it ain't so rosey or at least not as rosey as it looked this time last year. maybe the commitment to building for the future is in jeopardy and a better move would be to strike when the opportunity presents itself. the last year has been dominated by big names moving, in some cases it works out (lakers) and in some you trade for jkidd. anyways, maybe somebody big comes to town.

    that doesn't strike me as BC's style though. I still think his strength comes from evaluating underused or unfamiliar players and identifying the ones who can fit into his idea of the team.

    i don't think mlse will eat sam's salary unless it starts costing them money. And even though most of us wanted to play the magic, let's face it, other than Bosh and Kap most of the time, the magic just had the more talented lineup. you can skim by and surprise people with a poor-man's lineup for awhile but eventually, talent exposes itself and in the NBA, rises to the top.

    as far as the pg debate. what ever gets the best deal, not necessarily the best player, but definitely go for the best deal. jose's defence didn't earn him any points in my books. he made nelson look much better than he is and his d on kidd last year that everyone praised so much was tough but not stellar. the thing i have against tj isn't the injury history or the sometimes out-of-control play but it's that he's a bit of a head case.

    i haven't paid attention to american college ball much this season so i can't comment on the draft but based on my comments about talent, you can bet that i'm voting for drafting the bpa again this year. no way this team is ready to draft based on position or need yet. besides you do that when you have a gm that can't pull the trigger on the trade. more assets the better.
     
  8. BasX

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    if you wanna start adding my topics starting the offseason reviews, just stats wise of each player you could
     
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    Original Post Edited to include the 7 player reviews and the ESPN Trade Machine, feel free to post an trades you think about
     
  10. Master Shake

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    So who do you guys think we'll take at 17? I'm really rooting for CDR, but he might be gone at 14 by GState. I really think the Raptors need a good, young athletic big man to tell you the truth. Roy Hibbert, no not him.

    Right now DX has the Raptors taking Rush at 17, good SF, BasX will tell us more. What I want is the Raptors to try and trade up, using TJ Ford to try and get Joe Alexander. He'd be a great fit and he can bring instant offense.
     
  11. #1_War_Poet_ForLife

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 29 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Trade I was thinking about:

    <u>Toronto Sends: </u>

    Jose Calderon

    Andrea Bargnani

    <u>Atlanta Sends:</u>

    Josh Smith


    Why I like it: I'm fine with having TJ as our PG and Roko is coming over. Bargnani who is very inconsistent can get some time.
    Atlanta finds a great starter-type PG who has no problem playing back-up. They can release Law or trade him to another team. Raptors get a great shot blocking, rebounding can do almost anything type PF. Bosh plays C and Moon or draft pick (CDR!) plays SF.</div>

    GTFO the pipe.
     
  12. Master Shake

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    Lol, please. That's not nearly as far fetched as some of the trades I come across in the Nets forum.
     
  13. Master Shake

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    Okay, so Sportsnet.ca has their own mock draft and at 17 they have the Raptors taking JaVale McGee. Huge fan of this pick. 7 footer, 230 pounds and brings another good inside presence. Again, KC, I don't know to much on him, can you give me some info on him?

    Sportsnet.ca Analysis of McGee:

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The playoffs showed just how small the Raptors are. After Chris Bosh, Toronto has no inside presence and Javale McGee could develop into a beast on the inside.</div>

    Mock Draft
     
  14. BasX

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    all player reviews DONE
    and updated Original Post with links to all player threads
     
  15. Master Shake

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    Good job.
     
  16. Master Shake

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    O'Neal and Jawai are Toronto bound. So far, I have our depth chart looking like this (minus Baston who I assume is going to Indiana):

    PG - Calderon/Ukic/Delfino

    SG - Parker/Delfino/Kapono

    SF - Bargnani/Moon/Kapono/Delfino/Graham

    PF - Bosh/Hump/Bargnani

    C - O'Neal/Jawai/Brezec

    We have a very good starting 5. Now, if some how Colangelo can swing a deal for Maggette or Marion using Bargnani, Delfino and Kapono, that would be nice. I don't know how well the caps work, but we could have a line-up that looks like this:

    PG - Calderon/Ukic/FA

    SG - Parker/FA

    SF
    - Marion/Moon/Graham

    PF - Bosh/Hump/Marion/FA

    C - O'Neal/Jawai/FA

    Now, I don't know exact numbers, but I think we might have some money to get some good role players, if the cap permits. Again, rather get Maggette, but we're in talks for Marion, so I want to see how this looks.
     
  17. speeds

    speeds $2.50 highball, $1.50 beer Staff Member Administrator GFX Team

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    I'd rather see us go after somebody like Redd or another self-creator than Marion.
     
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    I like Redd a lot, and I think he'll be great, but then we'll have to give up Parker, and I don't know if I want to do that. Redd has his moments, but Parker is way better defensively and way less injury prone. However, imagine we have Marion, Calderon will have like 22 assists per game...well like 11 or 12 I think. He can find anybody and if they can all work together, they can be an amazing front court and big 3.
     
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    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    We're limited in how active we can be on the market, I think. I see our depth chart as:

    Calderon / FA / Ukic
    Parker / Delfino
    Kapono / Moon / Graham
    Bosh / Bargnani
    O'Neal / Humphries / Jawai

    We have to spend money on a backup PG, which is why I pencilled it in the depth chart. I like Ukic's potential, but there's no way in hell I'd just assume that he could fill that spot. We made a similar mistake with Bargnani this year and it came back to bite us in the ass. Other than whatever PG we bring in, I'd like to see us bring in either a SG or SF that can slash to the rim and play solid perimeter D. That's give us a pretty well-rounded roster.

    I know everyone's talking about how Colangelo's not done dealing yet, but I don't see what's left for us to deal. We don't have many appealing assets left and we're out of cap space. I figure if BC takes the Boston approach to filling out the bench, we should be pretty well set.
     
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    With all due respect, Anthony Parker hasn't shut anybody down. Redd would be a massive upgrade, but I'm just using him as an example. In a perfect world we'd get someone like Joe Johnson, but that is a pipe dream.

    Someone like Pietrus is the most likely, but I think we'll split our monies on a PG and a veteran big.
     

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