<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 30 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who cares? Cheaper player, younger player, more durable player, shorter contract. And I think Howard is much more likely to regain his form from a few months ago than bighead RJ is from three years ago.</div> Actually, Howard is older than RJ by two months.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 30 2008, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If the Nets tried to trade RJ for Howard before the season Dallas would have laughed in their face. Guess what? They are the same players now as they were then. You can't go out and trade a mediocre player for an All-Star when the All-Star is on top of his game. This is the last opportunity to trade a bum like RJ for Howard because Howard won't be playing for Avery Johnson next year.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 30 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who cares? Cheaper player, younger player, more durable player, shorter contract. And I think Howard is much more likely to regain his form from a few months ago than bighead RJ is from three years ago.</div> Ah, okay. I see now. That makes more sense. Think there's a correlation between Devin getting traded and Josh's inconsistent play in the 2nd half of the season?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ Apr 30 2008, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 30 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who cares? Cheaper player, younger player, more durable player, shorter contract. And I think Howard is much more likely to regain his form from a few months ago than bighead RJ is from three years ago.</div> Actually, Howard is older than RJ by two months. </div> That's my bad! (I had a sneaking suspicion but it takes forever to research something like that on my phone.) Howard has two less seasons and a whole lot less wear and tear then RJ, though. Actually, Howard's age is another reason there is a slight chance the Nets can sucker Dallas into this.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 30 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ghoti, let me take a wild guess: you don't like RJ?</div> No, I really do. He was a terrific kid and worked unbelievably hard. He really dedicated himself to doing anything he could to help the Nets win, and they did. A lot of that success was because of him. I'd guess every Nets fan on here was proud of him and considered him a great representation of what the Nets should be about. I'm just really disappointed in how he's handled himself and the way he let outside influences affect the way he plays. The "me" attitude, the lackadaisical play, the lack of preparation and commitment, the sarcasm and snarkiness, the lack of competitiveness. It just makes me sad. He really needs to move on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Josh Howard had a worse series off the court than on it, and that's hard to do when you shoot 29 percent while your team gets booted in five games. His picked the poorest possible time to make radio reefer confessions, making his fondness for marijuana a national story the afternoon of Game 3. And J(o)-Ho didn't learn by causing that silly distraction. He handed out flyers for his birthday party in the locker room after Game 4, a crushing loss that all but ended the Mavs' season. Avery Johnson, who had a reasonable no-partying-during-the-playoffs rule, was livid when he learned about Howard and a few teammates living it up on the town. That's why he canceled what would have been the last practice during his Dallas tenure. "That's new news to me," Howard said this afternoon. J(o)-Ho mentioned that he'd already apologized for his radio appearance, but he didn't sound like a guy who regretted his actions. "You only live once," said Howard, who is still the Mavs' best chip (other than untouchable Dirk) on the trade market. He also stressed that he's not a "bad person." And he's right. But he was a terrible teammate during this series. And he was awful on the court, too, but he seems to think his horrible shooting was just bad luck. "I couldn't make the shots that I've been making," Howard said, giggling at a question about how the Hornets defended him. "They went up and just hit the side of the rim or went in and out. You can't control what the ball do. Crazy, man. Y'all hilarious." With that, Howard's off-season officially began. When the smoke clears, he might not be a Maverick.</div> source I don't want this guy anywhere near my Nets.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Belarus @ Apr 30 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Josh Howard had a worse series off the court than on it, and that's hard to do when you shoot 29 percent while your team gets booted in five games. His picked the poorest possible time to make radio reefer confessions, making his fondness for marijuana a national story the afternoon of Game 3. And J(o)-Ho didn't learn by causing that silly distraction. He handed out flyers for his birthday party in the locker room after Game 4, a crushing loss that all but ended the Mavs' season. Avery Johnson, who had a reasonable no-partying-during-the-playoffs rule, was livid when he learned about Howard and a few teammates living it up on the town. That's why he canceled what would have been the last practice during his Dallas tenure. "That's new news to me," Howard said this afternoon. J(o)-Ho mentioned that he'd already apologized for his radio appearance, but he didn't sound like a guy who regretted his actions. "You only live once," said Howard, who is still the Mavs' best chip (other than untouchable Dirk) on the trade market. He also stressed that he's not a "bad person." And he's right. But he was a terrible teammate during this series. And he was awful on the court, too, but he seems to think his horrible shooting was just bad luck. "I couldn't make the shots that I've been making," Howard said, giggling at a question about how the Hornets defended him. "They went up and just hit the side of the rim or went in and out. You can't control what the ball do. Crazy, man. Y'all hilarious." With that, Howard's off-season officially began. When the smoke clears, he might not be a Maverick.</div> source I don't want this guy anywhere near my Nets. </div> Didn't Howard also just admit to offseason marijuana use? That's exactly the opposite of the type of player I want Sean and Marcus around this offseason. The first trade with Chicago wasn't bad but I'd prefer subbing Sean for Josh due to the fact that Gooden is a PF who would eat up minutes stunting Sean's growth anyway...Boone is more of a center and therefore would still be useful to us. The Portland trade is overall the best trade though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 30 2008, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 30 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ghoti, let me take a wild guess: you don't like RJ?</div> No, I really do. He was a terrific kid and worked unbelievably hard. He really dedicated himself to doing anything he could to help the Nets win, and they did. A lot of that success was because of him. I'd guess every Nets fan on here was proud of him and considered him a great representation of what the Nets should be about. I'm just really disappointed in how he's handled himself and the way he let outside influences affect the way he plays. The "me" attitude, the lackadaisical play, the lack of preparation and commitment, the sarcasm and snarkiness, the lack of competitiveness. It just makes me sad. He really needs to move on. </div> and you want to trade for JH who is the epitome of these qualities? Seriously, Ghoti, I don't get it. And if you stressing JH is a former all-star, I got one more former all-star for you. Jamaal Magloire.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 30 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Utah and Lakers have been discussed so I figured I would throw out something a little different. NJ to Chicago: Jefferson Boone KVH Chicago to NJ: Nocioni Gooden Sefolosha Nets get tougher and better defensively. Chicago saves some money by buying-out KVH contract and can re-sign Gordon and/or Deng.</div> I'm not wild about any of the deals proposed in this thread, but this is the best of them to me, easily.
Denver: Kenyon Martin Linas Kleiza 1st rd pick. New Jersey: Richard Jerrerson Josh Boone or Sean Williams
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 30 2008, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ Apr 30 2008, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 30 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who cares? Cheaper player, younger player, more durable player, shorter contract. And I think Howard is much more likely to regain his form from a few months ago than bighead RJ is from three years ago.</div> Actually, Howard is older than RJ by two months. </div> That's my bad! (I had a sneaking suspicion but it takes forever to research something like that on my phone.) Howard has two less seasons and a whole lot less wear and tear then RJ, though. Actually, Howard's age is another reason there is a slight chance the Nets can sucker Dallas into this. </div> What kind of phone do you use?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kdub @ May 1 2008, 03:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 30 2008, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ Apr 30 2008, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 30 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who cares? Cheaper player, younger player, more durable player, shorter contract. And I think Howard is much more likely to regain his form from a few months ago than bighead RJ is from three years ago.</div> Actually, Howard is older than RJ by two months. </div> That's my bad! (I had a sneaking suspicion but it takes forever to research something like that on my phone.) Howard has two less seasons and a whole lot less wear and tear then RJ, though. Actually, Howard's age is another reason there is a slight chance the Nets can sucker Dallas into this. </div> What kind of phone do you use? </div> TMobile wing. No 3G. Damn TMobile.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ May 1 2008, 01:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>C'mon now. Josh Howard is a much better player than Richard Jefferson.</div> Not in this bizarro world, I guess. LOL @ NBA players smoking weed and staying out late being cited as something unusual. Where do you think RJ is at 2 in the morning? Home in his bubble drinking milk and eating toll houses? Also LOL at "admitting" marijuana use as a negative for Howard. Big deal. Maybe he did them a favor by taking some of the media pressure away from washed up Kidd, choker Dirk and desperate Avery.
PORTLAND GETS: RJ MWILL 2nd round pick NJ GETS: MARTELL WEBSTER JARRET JACK TRAVIS OUTLAW JAMES JONES SERGIO RODRIGUEZ Portland gets help at 3, which they have always expressed needs help. Portland gets Marcus, a decent PG which I dont know if it will be a upgrade, but they said the need some help at the 1. Nets get Martell webster, can shoot but needs some better shot selection. Jarret Jack can be a spark for the Nets for scoring. Travis can develop into a future star, can also be a perimeter defender. James Jones is a proven 3pt shooter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ May 1 2008, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PORTLAND GETS: RJ MWILL 2nd round pick NJ GETS: MARTELL WEBSTER JARRET JACK TRAVIS OUTLAW JAMES JONES SERGIO RODRIGUEZ Portland gets help at 3, which they have always expressed needs help. Portland gets Marcus, a decent PG which I dont know if it will be a upgrade, but they said the need some help at the 1. Nets get Martell webster, can shoot but needs some better shot selection. Jarret Jack can be a spark for the Nets for scoring. Travis can develop into a future star, can also be a perimeter defender. James Jones is a proven 3pt shooter.</div> lol that trade is a highway robbery. Portland would laugh at it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 1 2008, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ May 1 2008, 01:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>C'mon now. Josh Howard is a much better player than Richard Jefferson.</div> Not in this bizarro world, I guess. LOL @ NBA players smoking weed and staying out late being cited as something unusual. Where do you think RJ is at 2 in the morning? Home in his bubble drinking milk and eating toll houses? Also LOL at "admitting" marijuana use as a negative for Howard. Big deal. Maybe he did them a favor by taking some of the media pressure away from washed up Kidd, choker Dirk and desperate Avery. </div> I'd trade RJ for Howard every day of the week. I'd even buy Howard a dime bag! -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 1 2008, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ May 1 2008, 01:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>C'mon now. Josh Howard is a much better player than Richard Jefferson.</div> Not in this bizarro world, I guess. LOL @ NBA players smoking weed and staying out late being cited as something unusual. Where do you think RJ is at 2 in the morning? Home in his bubble drinking milk and eating toll houses? Also LOL at "admitting" marijuana use as a negative for Howard. Big deal. Maybe he did them a favor by taking some of the media pressure away from washed up Kidd, choker Dirk and desperate Avery. </div> It doesn't matter what RJ is doing at 2 in the morning, whatever he is doing is his business. The thing about it is that you be a professional about it and keep things like that to yourself. The team doesn't need anymore drama and negative publicity that it already gets. That article shows Howard's character, which doesn't at all seem professional and just blaming his shot on "bad luck" sounds like a joke to me. It seems like he's too carefree, perhaps he's still on marijuana. I don't think you do anyone a favor by admitting you smoke marijuana and inviting people to his birthday party during pretty much the most high expectation stretch for his team. As a player, Howard seems too soft to me. Maintaining the softness that we have doesn't seem like the solution to me. I still believe we need RJ to be traded for a big man, draft a shooter, and move VC to SF. If Brand is unrealistic, than the AK47 + Millsap is the trade that intrigues me the most.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ May 1 2008, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PORTLAND GETS: RJ MWILL 2nd round pick NJ GETS: MARTELL WEBSTER JARRET JACK TRAVIS OUTLAW JAMES JONES SERGIO RODRIGUEZ Portland gets help at 3, which they have always expressed needs help. Portland gets Marcus, a decent PG which I dont know if it will be a upgrade, but they said the need some help at the 1. Nets get Martell webster, can shoot but needs some better shot selection. Jarret Jack can be a spark for the Nets for scoring. Travis can develop into a future star, can also be a perimeter defender. James Jones is a proven 3pt shooter.</div> Outlaw, Webster, Jones, AND Rodriguez? That's their present and future all thrown away. Portland would laugh so hard at that deal.
