<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dino33 @ May 1 2008, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PORTLAND GETS: RJ MWILL 2nd round pick NJ GETS: MARTELL WEBSTER JARRET JACK TRAVIS OUTLAW JAMES JONES SERGIO RODRIGUEZ Portland gets help at 3, which they have always expressed needs help. Portland gets Marcus, a decent PG which I dont know if it will be a upgrade, but they said the need some help at the 1. Nets get Martell webster, can shoot but needs some better shot selection. Jarret Jack can be a spark for the Nets for scoring. Travis can develop into a future star, can also be a perimeter defender. James Jones is a proven 3pt shooter.</div> If we pull that off then teams wont want to trade with us anymore because we rip them off everytime lol
Portland-New Jersey trade pretty simple...Richard Jefferson+Marcus Williams+Stromile Swift for Travis Outlaw+Martell Webster+Jarret Jack+Channing Frye+ Raef Lafrentz and there 2008 first rounder... Then we draft DeAndre Jordan at 10, Chase Budinger at 13 and Darrell Arthur at 22. 2008-2009 Nets roster PG: Devin Harris, Jarret Jack SG: Vince Carter, Martell Webster SF: Travis Outlaw, Chase Budinger PF: Nenad Krstic, Sean Williams, Darrell Outlaw C: Josh Boone, DeAndre Jordan, Not gonna happen...but I can dream.
I don't get why people keep saying thats such a ripoff. MWill for Sergio is pretty much even, Jones and Jack are mediocre, Webster hasn't been anything special, and Outlaw will be a top sixth man, and little more.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ May 1 2008, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't get why people keep saying thats such a ripoff. MWill for Sergio is pretty much even, Jones and Jack are mediocre, Webster hasn't been anything special, and Outlaw will be a top sixth man, and little more.</div> If anything has been shown by the last few NBA season depth is key for playoff hopes...they couldn't justify decimating there bench for RJ and Mwill. Sergio to them is untouchable, we'd have better luck prying there 2008 first away from them. As for Jones, he's a valuable bench player and is likely to be resigned...Pryzbilla is a player that will be great for them off the bench...just don't think the trade is fair.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bynumite @ May 1 2008, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Best trade you will ever get.</div> I TAKE IT!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ May 1 2008, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't get why people keep saying thats such a ripoff. MWill for Sergio is pretty much even, Jones and Jack are mediocre, Webster hasn't been anything special, and Outlaw will be a top sixth man, and little more.</div> Outlaw has been improving every season since entering the league, on offense and defense. He's still very young. He's been a clutch player for Portland. I'd like to disagee with you on him being nothing more than a sixth man.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ May 1 2008, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Portland-New Jersey trade pretty simple...Richard Jefferson+Marcus Williams+Stromile Swift for Travis Outlaw+Martell Webster+Jarret Jack+Channing Frye+ Raef Lafrentz and there 2008 first rounder... Then we draft DeAndre Jordan at 10, Chase Budinger at 13 and Darrell Arthur at 22. 2008-2009 Nets roster PG: Devin Harris, Jarret Jack SG: Vince Carter, Martell Webster SF: Travis Outlaw, Chase Budinger PF: Nenad Krstic, Sean Williams, Darrell Outlaw C: Josh Boone, DeAndre Jordan, Not gonna happen...but I can dream.</div> I like the plan, but not sure why Portland would rather keep Sergio and Jones over Outlaw and Webster. Seems like they'd be more likely to give away a combo of Jones and Webster.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bynumite @ May 1 2008, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Best trade you will ever get.</div> Odom is the perfect faciliator between Kobe and Pau, and works great in the triangle. Not sure how RJ fits there. Odom is a great SF and I'd love to have him in NJ, but only if we already had a post scorer. I don't want Vince and Odom, and then still have the scoring PF/C position up in the air.
After a lot of permutations, this one seemed reasonable enough (IMO, of course) to throw out on the board. There are picks involved, so the RealGM link doesn't tell the whole story. http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4577683 New Jersey GIVES: Richard Jefferson $13,200,000.00 Marcus Williams $1,262,520.00 Maurice Ager $1,042,440.00 Keith Van Horn $3,792,112.00 cash (for buyout of Van Horn's contract) 2008 1st Rd (Dal) GETS: Mike Miller $9,128,575.00 Cuttino Mobley $9,275,000.00 Brevin Knight $1,728,000.00 Al Thornton $1,776,240.00 <span style="color:#0000ff">Why NJ does it: They attain quality, veteran wing depth and outstanding shooting; get a steady, veteran PG backup; and get a terrific young player in Thornton who appears to have a pretty high ceiling and who can legitimately play the 4 in a small lineup or the three in a more conventional one. Mobley is overpaid by about the same amount as RJ per year, but his contract ends in 2010, as does Miller's, giving the Nets a lot more financial flexibility for that summer's LeBron hunt. They still retain one of their two first round picks in 2008, so they'll still get another young player this summer.</span> Toronto GIVES: T.J. Ford $4,137,500.00 (BYC if trade happens before July 1, 2008; actual salary is twice this amount) Jorge Garbajosa $4,350,000.00 Anthony Parker $4,550,000.00 2008 1st Rd (Tor) GETS: Richard Jefferson $13,200,000.00 Marcus Williams $1,262,520.00 Maurice Ager $1,042,440.00 <span style="color:#0000ff"> Why Toronto does it: They get a 20+ ppg scorer and slasher extrodinaire who is among the league's elite in drawing fouls (at a premium in Toronto), who is coming off a career offensive year, and who is just entering his prime at 27. They also get a cheap, high risk/reward backup PG with great court vision and decent shooting touch but who regressed his sophmore year and seems in need of a change in coaching and scenery. They unload TJ Ford's contract so that they can resign Calderon to the deal he's earned without having the biggest part of their payroll devoted to two diminutive point guards. They get rid of Garbajosa, who's relationship with the club is strained and who, at 30, is likely never going to be the same player he was before his bad leg injury in spring of 2007. They lose Parker, but he will turn 33 in June and is only under contract for another year, at which point he is likely to take his well-rounded game to a real contender. They get Ager, who reputedly has a nice stroke and might find some rotation minutes if he plays hard at the other end. This trade makes Toronto a LOT younger in key positions while Jefferson brings deep playoff experience. They throw in their 2008 first rounder to help even out the deal, especially from a player age perspective.</span> LA Clippers GIVES: Cuttino Mobley $9,275,000.00 Brevin Knight $1,728,000.00 Al Thornton $1,776,240.00 GETS: T.J. Ford $8,275,000.00 Anthony Parker $4,550,000.00 2008 1st Rd (Tor) <span style="color:#0000ff">Why LA does it: They have a huge hole at PG, and, as a team with many key veterans, they need an experienced PG no matter who they draft. This trade gets them a young but experienced and lightning quick PG with good vision and playmaking skills and a potent midrange game. (It's worth pointing out that, given their respective personnel, Ford is worth a lot more to LA than he is to the Raptors.) The Clippers also rid themselves of the inflated 2-year Mobley contract and get a better overall player who will make half as much money this year and is a FA beyond. This is especially important if, as expected, one or both of Maggette and Brand opt out and the Clips must pony up $ to keep them under contract. They give up a terrific young player in Thornton, but they gain Toronto's mid first rounder this year to help compensate.</span> Memphis GIVES: Mike Miller $9,128,575.00 GETS: Jorge Garbajosa $4,350,000.00 Keith Van Horn $3,792,112.00 cash (from NJ for Van Horn buyout) 2008 1st Rd (Dal) <span style="color:#0000ff">Why Memphis does it: They are still in major cost cutting/pre-franchise sale mode. Considering that they will have no responsibility for Van Horn's buyout, they are essentially trading Miller's two years/$19M for Garbajosa's one year/$4.35M, a total savings of over 14.5M. Navarro gets a fellow Spanish National team member to soften the blow of Gasol's trade, and Memphis can liberate a high-demand player who will otherwise waste his best years on a rebuilding team that is going nowhere any time soon. NJ sends the Dallas 2008 pick as prime consideration, though I would personally be willing to substitute NJ's own pick if that were necessary to close the deal, so long as the Nets don't move up to the top 3.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ May 1 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd love that. Too bad Toronto would never do that.</div> Why do you say that? What part of the deal looks unreasonable from their perspective? They clearly need another scorer and could really use a hard-nosed, foul-drawing slasher like RJ as well as a shift in their payroll away from PGs.
This Trade Succeeded! New Jersey Nets * S. Jackson * K. Martin * J. Salmons * F. Garcia Outgoing Players: Josh Boone, Richard Jefferson, Marcus Williams, Trenton Hassell Golden State Warriors * M. Williams * T. Hassell * S. Williams Outgoing Players: Stephen Jackson Sacramento Kings * J. Boone * R. Jefferson Outgoing Players: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Francisco Garcia, Shelden Williams
FOMW - Memphis took Mike Miller off the market at the trade deadline and they were being offered expiring contracts and 08 picks It is also a bad deal for the Clippers as TJ is below average at the one thing they really need, feeding the post. Thornton and Mobley will produce more than Parker and Toronto's first round pick
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ May 1 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ May 1 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd love that. Too bad Toronto would never do that.</div> Why do you say that? What part of the deal looks unreasonable from their perspective? They clearly need another scorer and could really use a hard-nosed, foul-drawing slasher like RJ as well as a shift in their payroll away from PGs. </div> Thought it said Jose. My bad.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kdub @ May 1 2008, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ May 1 2008, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Portland-New Jersey trade pretty simple...Richard Jefferson+Marcus Williams+Stromile Swift for Travis Outlaw+Martell Webster+Jarret Jack+Channing Frye+ Raef Lafrentz and there 2008 first rounder... Then we draft DeAndre Jordan at 10, Chase Budinger at 13 and Darrell Arthur at 22. 2008-2009 Nets roster PG: Devin Harris, Jarret Jack SG: Vince Carter, Martell Webster SF: Travis Outlaw, Chase Budinger PF: Nenad Krstic, Sean Williams, Darrell Outlaw C: Josh Boone, DeAndre Jordan, Not gonna happen...but I can dream.</div> I like the plan, but not sure why Portland would rather keep Sergio and Jones over Outlaw and Webster. Seems like they'd be more likely to give away a combo of Jones and Webster. </div> I'm sure Portland would rather do Sergio and James Jones...but that be a ripoff on their part...it's about equal value.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ May 1 2008, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>FOMW - Memphis took Mike Miller off the market at the trade deadline and they were being offered expiring contracts and 08 picks</div> They took him off the market because ownership suddenly became afraid of appearances after the Gasol fire sale and associated chatter and worried that no one would attend games the remainder of the year if they traded their (then) longest-tenured player for a pick. From what I've read, that was a temporary maneuver. I see no reason why they won't revisit trading him -- hard -- this summer as that puts some distance between the two trades and gives the public a cooling off period, so to speak. They are still cutting costs, and he is their highest salaried player and most tradeable veteran asset. If the Nets don't get him, some other team will, likely before the next season starts. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It is also a bad deal for the Clippers as TJ is below average at the one thing they really need, feeding the post. Thornton and Mobley will produce more than Parker and Toronto's first round pick</div> I disagree, especially on the first point. TJ is perfectly competent throwing the ball to big men, is outstanding on pick and rolls (where Brand is utilized a lot), is a defensive pest, and is generally a trustworthy quarterback with the skills and poise to run a team. Not an allstar, obviously, but solid in all aspects except 3-point shooting. They aren't going anywhere in the west unless they upgrade their depth and skill level at PG, and Ford is among the more reasonably priced options for doing that. I won't disagree about Parker and Toronto's first rounder, but not because of Parker. He is arguably a better all-round player than Mobley and is significantly cheaper, which is something always important to the Clippers. They likely won't get someone this year at 17 with the immediate impact Thornton had (although he was drafted pretty close to that last year). Then again if they are more wise than lucky, maybe they will. I still think it's a pretty even trade from their perspective and given their concerns about re-upping more important players this summer.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ May 2 2008, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ May 1 2008, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>FOMW - Memphis took Mike Miller off the market at the trade deadline and they were being offered expiring contracts and 08 picks</div> They took him off the market because ownership suddenly became afraid of appearances after the Gasol fire sale and associated chatter and worried that no one would attend games the remainder of the year if they traded their (then) longest-tenured player for a pick. From what I've read, that was a temporary maneuver. I see no reason why they won't revisit trading him -- hard -- this summer as that puts some distance between the two trades and gives the public a cooling off period, so to speak. They are still cutting costs, and he is their highest salaried player and most tradeable veteran asset. If the Nets don't get him, some other team will, likely before the next season starts. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It is also a bad deal for the Clippers as TJ is below average at the one thing they really need, feeding the post. Thornton and Mobley will produce more than Parker and Toronto's first round pick</div> I disagree, especially on the first point. TJ is perfectly competent throwing the ball to big men, is outstanding on pick and rolls (where Brand is utilized a lot), is a defensive pest, and is generally a trustworthy quarterback with the skills and poise to run a team. Not an allstar, obviously, but solid in all aspects except 3-point shooting. They aren't going anywhere in the west unless they upgrade their depth and skill level at PG, and Ford is among the more reasonably priced options for doing that. I won't disagree about Parker and Toronto's first rounder, but not because of Parker. He is arguably a better all-round player than Mobley and is significantly cheaper, which is something always important to the Clippers. They likely won't get someone this year at 17 with the immediate impact Thornton had (although he was drafted pretty close to that last year). Then again if they are more wise than lucky, maybe they will. I still think it's a pretty even trade from their perspective and given their concerns about re-upping more important players this summer. </div> I never said Mike Miller wouldn't be back on the market. Memphis doesn't need to move him for expiring contracts and they are very aware of his value as the majority of the NBA sent them offers last February. There is no one worth it for Memphis to use their salary cap space on at this point and as it is, Memphis is will be just a few million over the league minimum for team salaries. There is a very large market for Mike Miller and having Miller on the Grizzlies doesn't raise fans expectations for winning like having Gasol on the roster did. You don't have to sell Parker to me. I'll put it this way, ghoti is less of a fan of him than I am. However, you are underselling Thornton. As far as TJ, he is not a defensive pest and go back and look at where Bosh gets the ball. Add in that TJ isn't a Dunleavy type of PG, his injury history and that the Clippers will likely take a guard in the draft and you get a bad deal for the Clippers. Dunleavy likes tall PG's. In Portland, Pippen would be the PG during the critical portions of the game. Knight was simply a cheap replacement for the injured Livingston.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ May 1 2008, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>FOMW - Memphis took Mike Miller off the market at the trade deadline and they were being offered expiring contracts and 08 picks</div> I also think another reason why Mike Miller may have not been traded was they wanted any trade of Mike Miller to include Brian Cardinal and no team wanted the part of that deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (razel231 @ May 2 2008, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ May 1 2008, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>FOMW - Memphis took Mike Miller off the market at the trade deadline and they were being offered expiring contracts and 08 picks</div> I also think another reason why Mike Miller may have not been traded was they wanted any trade of Mike Miller to include Brian Cardinal and no team wanted the part of that deal. </div> I've heard teams were willing to do that
