Rick Carlisle to coach the Mavs

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  1. cpawfan

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    http://www.nypost.com/seven/05032008/sport...isle_109252.htm

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Rick Carlisle won't be reunited with former boss Donnie Walsh with the Knicks New York Knicks .

    Sources told The Post last night that the former Pacer and Piston coach, who interviewed with Walsh for the Knick coaching job Wednesday, has agreed to terms with the Mavericks to replace Avery Johnson.

    Johnson, who was 194-70 during the regular season and 23-24 in the playoffs over 31/2 seasons in Dallas, was fired after the Mavericks fell to the Hornets in five games in the first round of the playoffs - the second straight first-round exit for the team.

    Maverick owner Mark Cuban wasted little time in his search for a new coach. After firing Johnson on Wednesday, Cuban quickly moved to interview, and then hire, Carlisle.

    The 49-year-old Carlisle ran the Pistons from 2001-03, going 100-64 in the regular season and 12-15 in the playoffs. He also was named the 2001-02 NBA Coach of the Year.

    After Carlisle was fired by Detroit and replaced by Larry Brown following the 2002-03 season, he was hired by Walsh to coach the Pacers. In four seasons with Indiana, Carlisle was 181-147 in the regular season and 18-17 in the playoffs.

    Carlisle was fired by Indiana after the team went 35-47 in 2006-07, missing the playoffs for the first time since the 1996-97 season.</div>
     
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    Thats great news. He will do much better than Avery and look for the Mavs to make noise next year now that Kidd will be there for the whole season.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ May 3 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thats great news. He will do much better than Avery and look for the Mavs to make noise next year now that Kidd will be there for the whole season.</div>

    I disagree. I look for Kidd to quickly chafe under Carlisle
     
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    I guess we'll see but I always thought Carlie did a good job while at Detroit and Indiana. (with the players he had)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ May 3 2008, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess we'll see but I always thought Carlie did a good job while at Detroit and Indiana. (with the players he had)</div>

    Pace rankings for Carlisle's teams

    19th
    29th
    26th
    29th
    20th
    10th

    A huge problem for the Mavs after the Kidd trade was their slow pace.
     
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    Cpawfan, who do you think would have been a better choice for the Mavs?
     
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    You mean besides D'Antoni?
     
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    Yes, besides him.
     
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    How the hell did I miss this?



    I like Carlisle, he seems like a solid coach. What happened with D'Antoni though?
     
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    Dallas just moved way too quickly, they should have waited until we knew for sure what was going to happen with Carlisle.

    What kind of coach is he, someone fill me in? Good for our system?
     
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    I think he'll be able to use both Dirk and Kidd better than Avery did. Granted Avery only had Kidd for the last part of the season and the first round of the playoffs, but he tried to make Dirk a post player (which others here agree as well) and he is not a post player, let him be original, which he's the best at, and that is scoring at will. (of course outside the post area)
     
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    I always loved Carlisle. He led Detroit to prominence, and I'd say they would have won a banner when he was a coach and hiring Larry Brown wasn't necessary.
    He's best known for leading a (what I thought) a relatively weak Indiana team to a 61-21 record in his first year with the team. He's also responsible for rallying the suspension depleted Pacers after the Palace Brawl into the playoffs (NO idea how he did that, since they were missing their 2 best players for most of the season).

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/carliri01c.html
     
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    Hes a pretty good coach but IIRC hes got problems getting the respect of his players. Avery was a coach everyone on the team seemed to like a lot. It'll be that much harder for Carlisle to win over the team if they're already salty because their man Avery got canned.

    From a purely X's and O's standpoint, Carlisle is a good coach. Likes the slow down, grind out, defensive minded, system dominated offense. I wonder how effective Kidd will be in that type of a highly structured game. I think Carlisle would rather have a true post presence from his PF too though I think they'll keep Dirk and try to work with him.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 4 2008, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I always loved Carlisle. He led Detroit to prominence, and I'd say they would have won a banner when he was a coach and hiring Larry Brown wasn't necessary.
    He's best known for leading a (what I thought) a relatively weak Indiana team to a 61-21 record in his first year with the team. He's also responsible for rallying the suspension depleted Pacers after the Palace Brawl into the playoffs (NO idea how he did that, since they were missing their 2 best players for most of the season).

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/carliri01c.html</div>

    Having Reggie Miller and Stephen Jackson really helps
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 4 2008, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 4 2008, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I always loved Carlisle. He led Detroit to prominence, and I'd say they would have won a banner when he was a coach and hiring Larry Brown wasn't necessary.
    He's best known for leading a (what I thought) a relatively weak Indiana team to a 61-21 record in his first year with the team. He's also responsible for rallying the suspension depleted Pacers after the Palace Brawl into the playoffs (NO idea how he did that, since they were missing their 2 best players for most of the season).

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/carliri01c.html</div>

    Having Reggie Miller and Stephen Jackson really helps
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    Speaking of Stephen Jackson and Rick Carlisle its interesting to note how Carlisle's system limited his players. Jackson was considered a nice role player with Indiana but nothing special. When he came to GS with Don Nelson's free wheeling offense he was allowed to take more shots, handle the ball, it made his defense and leadership better and he was considered for an all-star nomination. This is why I'm concerned for players like Kidd who aren't suited for a walk-it-up offense. Carlisle is a nice coach but a lot of players hate playing for him. Jackson and Artest both criticized him after they left for being too in love with his system and wasting players' capabilities.
     
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    Expect Rick Carlisle to build a system suited for Kidd. I think he know why Avery was fired and what he should do to keep from being fired.
     

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