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Saw it a couple days ago, best movie I've seen this year. The Joker was perfect. Heath Ledger (RIP, would have been one of the greatest actors of our time) played the role perfectly. Great all around IMO.
Best scene from The Dark Knight: <div><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Xsvi9uNrDSI&"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Xsvi9uNrDSI&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350" /></embed></object></div> This is why I love it. :]
Saw it yesterday, really good but not a really great movie IMO. Ledger was fantastic but I wouldn't quite say he was as epic as some are making him out to be. Really makes his death that much more terrible because he really was ready to break out as an artist and TDK really set up for the third one to be great IMO. Reminds me of The Empire Strikes Back really, everything kind of goes down the shitter for Batman, lots of "good" people die, the masses of Gotham will probably lose all hope, and we've got two new menacing enemies that Batman has to deal (the Joker pwned his ass the entire TDK movie too so he still doesn't know wtf to do about him) with but Batman has finally made peace with justice and doing whats right even when people think you're the villain. In one sense you think another movie has to be made to provide closure to the series plus the movie companies want to rake in all that cash. But at the same time it feels like if they made a third you would have to include the joker and it just wouldn't and couldn't be the same if its not Ledger. BTW I love Bail but is anyone else annoyed by the stupid voice he uses when hes playing Batman? I mean I know that Batman has historically had that deep, raspy type voice but its so forced and awkward with Bale because his natural voice is nothing like that. Also, one more note. Before I saw it a lot of people told me that the movie went on too long and had a lot of points that it should have ended at before the real ending came. I think the place where they chose to end it is really the obvious choice. As I mentioned above, its kind of like The Empire strikes back with that cliche superhero twist where the hero has to deal with his own morals and what people think of him. Batman finally does do whats right and it makes him a villain in the eyes of the public but hes at peace with this and it sets up his character ready to just kick some fuggin ass in the next movie. The Joker is still at large because as we've seen hes unaffected by being imprisoned or injured and hes too brilliant to be stopped. It does blow ass to see Batman so godamn righteous though because it was clear from practically the opening 10 minutes of them ovie the only way to stop this guy is to kill him. Thats going to be the answer eventually I'm sure. Its safe to assume Two face isn't dead either probably. The way TDK ended it really sets the table for a great third Batman movie where he doesn't have the internal struggles that plagued him in TDK but the dynamic should be how he deals with being the villain in the eye of the public as well as fighting Joker, Two Face, whatever other villains there are, and the police.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Jul 25 2008, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Saw it yesterday, really good but not a really great movie IMO. Ledger was fantastic but I wouldn't quite say he was as epic as some are making him out to be. Really makes his death that much more terrible because he really was ready to break out as an artist and TDK really set up for the third one to be great IMO. Reminds me of The Empire Strikes Back really, everything kind of goes down the shitter for Batman, lots of "good" people die, the masses of Gotham will probably lose all hope, and we've got two new menacing enemies that Batman has to deal (the Joker pwned his ass the entire TDK movie too so he still doesn't know wtf to do about him) with but Batman has finally made peace with justice and doing whats right even when people think you're the villain. In one sense you think another movie has to be made to provide closure to the series plus the movie companies want to rake in all that cash. But at the same time it feels like if they made a third you would have to include the joker and it just wouldn't and couldn't be the same if its not Ledger. BTW I love Bail but is anyone else annoyed by the stupid voice he uses when hes playing Batman? I mean I know that Batman has historically had that deep, raspy type voice but its so forced and awkward with Bale because his natural voice is nothing like that. Also, one more note. Before I saw it a lot of people told me that the movie went on too long and had a lot of points that it should have ended at before the real ending came. I think the place where they chose to end it is really the obvious choice. As I mentioned above, its kind of like The Empire strikes back with that cliche superhero twist where the hero has to deal with his own morals and what people think of him. Batman finally does do whats right and it makes him a villain in the eyes of the public but hes at peace with this and it sets up his character ready to just kick some fuggin ass in the next movie. The Joker is still at large because as we've seen hes unaffected by being imprisoned or injured and hes too brilliant to be stopped. It does blow ass to see Batman so godamn righteous though because it was clear from practically the opening 10 minutes of them ovie the only way to stop this guy is to kill him. Thats going to be the answer eventually I'm sure. Its safe to assume Two face isn't dead either probably. The way TDK ended it really sets the table for a great third Batman movie where he doesn't have the internal struggles that plagued him in TDK but the dynamic should be how he deals with being the villain in the eye of the public as well as fighting Joker, Two Face, whatever other villains there are, and the police.</div> Run, I agree with you but I'm not sure you clarified for other people why this movie is just "good" instead of great. You just a gave a plot synopsis for the most part (not hating on you, I'd just like to see you write some more on this topic).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 25 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Run, I agree with you but I'm not sure you clarified for other people why this movie is just "good" instead of great. You just a gave a plot synopsis for the most part (not hating on you, I'd just like to see you write some more on this topic).</div> I was just giving my opinion but here's some more elaboration: I'm not into super heros or super hero movies. I have zero interest in comics and stuff like that, theres only been a few super hero movies I've liked; the X-Men ones and the new Batman ones. Just because they're good movies. On top of that, I'm not that into unrealistic action movies- my favorite kind of "action" is like the Bourne series (exaggerated but certainly possible, they spent millions of dollars making sure all of the stunts in those movies are possible) or like No Country for Old Men and The Departed (also an unlikely scenario but theres nothing too out of the realm of possibility there). Also love mob movies. That's probably why I'm not into super hero movies- I don't think watching CGI characters doing absurd sh*t is very entertaining. I do like the Batman and X-Men series because the plots are better, acting is good, great atmosphere, and interesting characters. I like them because they are good movies, good action with an entertaining plot. I just rated TDK an 8.5/10 so I do think its a very good movie but I just don't put it up there among the elite. One thing that kept it from being really epic; IMO the dialogue isn't anything special. Granted, its a super hero movie so no one really expects it to be, but maybe my favorite part of watching movies is in fact the dialogue. Great dialogue really gives me a hard on lol. Thats why I love Scorcese movies, I think the dialogue is brilliant, its always realistic because, witty, funny, meaningful, I find myself repeating it over and over, thinking about it and analyzing the shit out of it in my mind (yeah I'm a bit of a movie nerd lol). TDK has some quotable phrases but its mostly typical expressions you've heard before (i.e. "You're either a hero or you live long enough to become a villain") but aside form these types of lines everything in-between is just average. The themes were mostly typical of super hero movies as well, wasn't one of the Spider Mans very similar where Peter Parker was struggling with his self identity and wanted to give up being Spider-Man? None of the themes of the movie really made me think much, its mostly stuff I've heard/seen before and I knew what the answer would be in the end (i.e. justice, standing up for what you believe in, maintaining your morals through the tough times, what is a hero?, etc.) So basically the thing that maybe makes it very good and not great in my opinion is just that its not really my cup of tea. It was great in some areas; highly entertaining, great atmosphere, very good action, great acting and cast. To me though, most great movies really make you think afterwards, usually the movies I give 9s or 10s I'm thinking about them for hours or even days after I watched them. Batman was a great movie but was nothing special in thematically and in dialogue, which are two huge factors for me. You don't really expect that from a super hero movie anyway but I'm ranking it as a movie in general like I would any other movie. Its gotta be the best super hero movie I've ever seen though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 24 2008, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am putting all of my in-line responses into spoiler tags. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>What about the third installment's villains? It was widely believed that Two-Face would be the villain of the third installment. David Goyer, who penned Batman Begins and helped on The Dark Knight, had said that the Joker would disfigure Harvey Dent, aka Two-Face, in the third film, but we now know that Dent's disfigurement occurs in Dark Knight, and he is presumed dead or unconscious by the end of the film, though the character <u>could easily be brought back with some realistic explanation</u>.</span></div> <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> I agree. Remember, Both he and batman fell from exactly the same height, and batman got up and ran away from the scene. They could go either way on whether he lived, died, or was crippled by the fall. </span> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>Asked about whether the Joker would appear in the third film (requiring the role to be recast), director Christopher Nolan stated "I don't know. I honestly have not taken a moment away from what is going on with the film now to even think about that. I don't know. I simply don't know." It has been rumoured by an unconfirmed source that there may be some extra footage of Heath Ledger's Joker that can be used in the third film, but at this time it is unknown. Referring to how Heath Ledger's absence will affect the third film in an interview with Movie Hole, Gary Oldman stated, "Maybe we don't need the Joker. Because we'll have The Riddler."</span></div> <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> In other superhero movies that I have watched, it is not uncommon to use different villains in each movie. In some cases, they would have a villain in one movie, then skip a movie before bringing that villain back. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they already had planned to either reduce the Joker's role in the third movie, or not have him in it at all. </span> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>There has been speculation on the web that the man who tried to blackmail Batman, named Mister Reese (as in "mysteries"), will turn into The Riddler, although that character is traditionally the alter ego of a man named Edward Nigma. The Mister Reese character is presented in a bumbling manner contrary to the common interpretation of the Riddler, who is one of Batman's most cunning and intelligent foes. Moreover, in one of the newspapers released with the viral marketing, there is a 'letter to the editor' that is authored by Edward Nashton, another of Riddler's alter-egos. There is one point where Lucius Fox and Batman are discussing the new Bat-suit. Batman makes a comment about the strength of the suit, asking if it would be able to protect him from dogs. Lucius says it should protect him from "cats"--a possible reference to Catwoman. Some fans were disappointed about The Scarecrow's small role in the film. He was, however, kept alive. This <u>could</u> foreshadow a return.</span></div> Lots of speculation here. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>Source</span></div> ^^^^ This is a Wiki. We all know that wiki's are not indisputable sources of information. They are occasionally helpful, but sometimes contain bad information. The website even has this disclaimer: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>The content of this page was created directly by users and has not been screened or verified by IMDb staff.</span></div> </div> <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>I thought the same thing about the Two-Face/Batman fall, but then I realized Batman also survived a fall from his pent house while saving Rachel. I think the biggest clue to Two-Face possibly being alive was when he flipped the coin and got tackled, they showed the coin land on heads and then they showed Batman and the boy hanging, and Two-Face on the ground. Then, they never showed a coffin. I'm convinced Two-Face will be back.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jul 25 2008, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Jul 24 2008, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am putting all of my in-line responses into spoiler tags. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>What about the third installment's villains? It was widely believed that Two-Face would be the villain of the third installment. David Goyer, who penned Batman Begins and helped on The Dark Knight, had said that the Joker would disfigure Harvey Dent, aka Two-Face, in the third film, but we now know that Dent's disfigurement occurs in Dark Knight, and he is presumed dead or unconscious by the end of the film, though the character <u>could easily be brought back with some realistic explanation</u>.</span></div> <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> I agree. Remember, Both he and batman fell from exactly the same height, and batman got up and ran away from the scene. They could go either way on whether he lived, died, or was crippled by the fall. </span> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>Asked about whether the Joker would appear in the third film (requiring the role to be recast), director Christopher Nolan stated "I don't know. I honestly have not taken a moment away from what is going on with the film now to even think about that. I don't know. I simply don't know." It has been rumoured by an unconfirmed source that there may be some extra footage of Heath Ledger's Joker that can be used in the third film, but at this time it is unknown. Referring to how Heath Ledger's absence will affect the third film in an interview with Movie Hole, Gary Oldman stated, "Maybe we don't need the Joker. Because we'll have The Riddler."</span></div> <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> In other superhero movies that I have watched, it is not uncommon to use different villains in each movie. In some cases, they would have a villain in one movie, then skip a movie before bringing that villain back. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they already had planned to either reduce the Joker's role in the third movie, or not have him in it at all. </span> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>There has been speculation on the web that the man who tried to blackmail Batman, named Mister Reese (as in "mysteries"), will turn into The Riddler, although that character is traditionally the alter ego of a man named Edward Nigma. The Mister Reese character is presented in a bumbling manner contrary to the common interpretation of the Riddler, who is one of Batman's most cunning and intelligent foes. Moreover, in one of the newspapers released with the viral marketing, there is a 'letter to the editor' that is authored by Edward Nashton, another of Riddler's alter-egos. There is one point where Lucius Fox and Batman are discussing the new Bat-suit. Batman makes a comment about the strength of the suit, asking if it would be able to protect him from dogs. Lucius says it should protect him from "cats"--a possible reference to Catwoman. Some fans were disappointed about The Scarecrow's small role in the film. He was, however, kept alive. This <u>could</u> foreshadow a return.</span></div> Lots of speculation here. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>Source</span></div> ^^^^ This is a Wiki. We all know that wiki's are not indisputable sources of information. They are occasionally helpful, but sometimes contain bad information. The website even has this disclaimer: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>The content of this page was created directly by users and has not been screened or verified by IMDb staff.</span></div> </div> <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>I thought the same thing about the Two-Face/Batman fall, but then I realized Batman also survived a fall from his pent house while saving Rachel. I think the biggest clue to Two-Face possibly being alive was when he flipped the coin and got tackled, they showed the coin land on heads and then they showed Batman and the boy hanging, and Two-Face on the ground. Then, they never showed a coffin. I'm convinced Two-Face will be back.</span> </div> <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>I totally missed the coin fall thing, even after watching the movie twice this week. That film is so thick, that it doesn't surprise me that I missed it. Gordon faked his own death, for the safety of others. Batman convinced Gordon to tell Gotham that he killed the people that 2-face did. It makes me think that they could have staged 2-faces death, publicly, as well for similar reasons....don't let Gotham know what Harvey Dent became. Pretend that he died, honor the good things he was about before he turned on everyone. I suppose having him just die right there would have done the same thing. We shall see... </span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Jul 25 2008, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 25 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Run, I agree with you but I'm not sure you clarified for other people why this movie is just "good" instead of great. You just a gave a plot synopsis for the most part (not hating on you, I'd just like to see you write some more on this topic).</div> I was just giving my opinion but here's some more elaboration: I'm not into super heros or super hero movies. I have zero interest in comics and stuff like that, theres only been a few super hero movies I've liked; the X-Men ones and the new Batman ones. Just because they're good movies. On top of that, I'm not that into unrealistic action movies- my favorite kind of "action" is like the Bourne series (exaggerated but certainly possible, they spent millions of dollars making sure all of the stunts in those movies are possible) or like No Country for Old Men and The Departed (also an unlikely scenario but theres nothing too out of the realm of possibility there). Also love mob movies. That's probably why I'm not into super hero movies- I don't think watching CGI characters doing absurd sh*t is very entertaining. I do like the Batman and X-Men series because the plots are better, acting is good, great atmosphere, and interesting characters. I like them because they are good movies, good action with an entertaining plot. I just rated TDK an 8.5/10 so I do think its a very good movie but I just don't put it up there among the elite. One thing that kept it from being really epic; IMO the dialogue isn't anything special. Granted, its a super hero movie so no one really expects it to be, but maybe my favorite part of watching movies is in fact the dialogue. Great dialogue really gives me a hard on lol. Thats why I love Scorcese movies, I think the dialogue is brilliant, its always realistic because, witty, funny, meaningful, I find myself repeating it over and over, thinking about it and analyzing the shit out of it in my mind (yeah I'm a bit of a movie nerd lol). TDK has some quotable phrases but its mostly typical expressions you've heard before (i.e. "You're either a hero or you live long enough to become a villain") but aside form these types of lines everything in-between is just average. The themes were mostly typical of super hero movies as well, wasn't one of the Spider Mans very similar where Peter Parker was struggling with his self identity and wanted to give up being Spider-Man? None of the themes of the movie really made me think much, its mostly stuff I've heard/seen before and I knew what the answer would be in the end (i.e. justice, standing up for what you believe in, maintaining your morals through the tough times, what is a hero?, etc.) So basically the thing that maybe makes it very good and not great in my opinion is just that its not really my cup of tea. It was great in some areas; highly entertaining, great atmosphere, very good action, great acting and cast. To me though, most great movies really make you think afterwards, usually the movies I give 9s or 10s I'm thinking about them for hours or even days after I watched them. Batman was a great movie but was nothing special in thematically and in dialogue, which are two huge factors for me. You don't really expect that from a super hero movie anyway but I'm ranking it as a movie in general like I would any other movie. Its gotta be the best super hero movie I've ever seen though. </div> I'm not obsessed with Batman or anything but I am interested in certain comics/animation (when I'm not occupied with my personal life, etc. , at least). So this indeed is my kind of movie, and I don't mind certain "unrealistic" films. Even so, I still agree with you almost 100%. Nice synopsis, you saved me some trouble. The movie wasn't as deep for me as it could have been, but certainly worth a view. I don't think Bale will ever top what he did in American Psycho either (still a great actor though). Edit- Btw, the last video I posted shows who the best Joker really is... :[
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 25 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not obsessed with Batman or anything but I am interested in certain comics/animation (when I'm not occupied with my personal life, etc. , at least). So this indeed is my kind of movie, and I don't mind certain "unrealistic" films. Even so, I still agree with you almost 100%. Nice synopsis, you saved me some trouble. The movie wasn't as deep for me as it could have been, but certainly worth a view. I don't think Bale will ever top what he did in American Psycho either (still a great actor though). Edit- Btw, the last video I posted shows who the best Joker really is... :[</div> Yeah Bale is good in most of his roles. American Psycho, 3:10 to Yuma remake, Harsh Times, The Prestige, the Machinist are all movies I've seen where Bale is great. He plays a good crazy guy (check out Harsh Times for sure if you haven't seen it yet).
Huevon, I think you're missing a lot from this movie if it's not deep enough for you. This film analyzes today's society perfectly, it takes a couple views to pick up on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jul 25 2008, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Huevon, I think you're missing a lot from this movie if it's not deep enough for you. This film analyzes today's society perfectly, it takes a couple views to pick up on.</div> It is a deep movie, but if people want to throw the G.O.A.T. verbal flourish when describing "The Dark Knight", then I get more critical of it. It's not in that tier to me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jul 25 2008, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jul 25 2008, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Huevon, I think you're missing a lot from this movie if it's not deep enough for you. This film analyzes today's society perfectly, it takes a couple views to pick up on.</div> It is a deep movie, but if people want to throw the G.O.A.T. verbal flourish when describing "The Dark Knight", then I get more critical of it. It's not in that tier to me. </div> Well said. Its a really, really good movie but IMO its ridiculous to say its one of the GOAT's.
So I watched it tonight and that had to be one of my favourite movies ever. Waiting for a week was a bitch, but I am absolutely satisfied. I'll probably be watching it again in the next couple days, because my seat was too close to the front and I didn't get to see it in IMAX like I originally wanted. I'll probably put my more detailed thoughts on the movie here later. Just skimming through some of the posts, I'd have to say that if they make another one Two Face should be the primary villain. I've always thought of him as one of the deeper comic book characters ever and he's always been one of my favourites. I was a bit disappointed that the relationship between Dent and Bruce Wayne wasn't closer. That was what made anything involving Two Face so amazing in the comics/animated series: Batman had such a bond with Dent and it killed him to see what he was turning into. I also think the Riddler is a complex enough villain to be the feature of a movie (although I'm not sure I'd prefer it). You have to be careful about judging Batman characters from some of the shittier movies. Mr. Freeze would be another good choice if they followed the animated series' version. The Penguin's a major villain but I was never a fan, and I don't think you can top DeVito's performance. I know these are less well known, but the Black Skull or Hush (I'd love this pick) could fit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jul 27 2008, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll probably put my more detailed thoughts on the movie here later. Just skimming through some of the posts, I'd have to say that if they make another one Two Face should be the primary villain. I've always thought of him as one of the deeper comic book characters ever and he's always been one of my favourites. I was a bit disappointed that the relationship between Dent and Bruce Wayne wasn't closer. That was what made anything involving Two Face so amazing in the comics/animated series: Batman had such a bond with Dent and it killed him to see what he was turning into.</div> I think that because it's in movie form, they had to compact a lot of the story that you are familiar with. In the comics (or any other media), you have more time to develop these characters and get them involved in more situations. Three movies is not enough time to do all of that. We will never get to see all the villians with this cast and crew unfortunately. If they used any of the villians from the second film in the third, I would enjoy that too. Dent seems like a logical choice. With Spiderman, Superman, 1990's Batman, they wouldn't use the same villain in consecutive movies though. X-men seemed like an exception to that rule as Magneto was in all of them.
Would it be bad if I watched a (good) Cam of the movie and then went to see it in movies after? Because I told this girl I'd see it with her and she isn't free until wed/thurs, and waiting is a bitch
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 27 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Would it be bad if I watched a (good) Cam of the movie and then went to see it in movies after? Because I told this girl I'd see it with her and she isn't free until wed/thurs, and waiting is a bitch</div> It would be bad. I watched 5 mins of a cam after seeing it in theaters, and I have to say that it ruins the experience, at least for me. My recommendation is that you wait for DVD quality version or see it in theaters.
