<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ May 5 2008, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What about a fatter, less nimble Brad Miller?</div> What about a player whom the Nets should not draft?
What about this: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Strengths: Bruising bigman with a great basketball IQ and feel for the game … Extremely adept on the block. His post skills are at an NBA level right now … He showed the ability to create shots against a great shot blocker (Greg Oden) at the Reebok Big Time tournament in 2005. Really creates space well with his size and strength … A dominant rebounder, hits the glass hard, using tenacity, strength and athleticism … A fierce competitor. Has a passion and toughness to his game that so many big men lack … Really understands the game, with great vision and passing ability … One of those rare bigmen that makes those around him better … Has great touch around the basket … A great athlete, his body might give someone the wrong impression at first glance, he has solid leaping ability and agility … He is extremely adept at sealing his man on post deliveries … Has great footwork and uses position and leverage well for rebounds … Long wingspan allows him to play bigger than his 6-9 size … Outlets the ball extremely well from the post, finding players with perfect full court passes … A great kid with personality and star potential on the NBA level …</div> I'd love to have this kid on our team to complement (cover mistakes ) Sean. The only thing about him that scares me: "Has had a few arthroscopic knee surgeries in his high school career, but hasn't shown any lingering affects from it … "
That's NBADraft.net. I don't trust them folks. Case in point: http://nbadraft.net/profiles/hakimwarrick.asp <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>NBA Comparison: Marcus Camby</div> http://nbadraft.net/profiles/jasoncollins.htm <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>NBA Comparison: Marc Jackson</div> http://nbadraft.net/profiles/eddiegriffin.htm <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>NBA Comparison: Tim Duncan</div>
I was originally for drafting Love way back when we still had a shot at the playoffs. But now that our pick is going to be drastically higher, I'd definitely say pass on him.
I dunno, but their takes on Sean are right on money: http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/seanwilliams.html
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ May 5 2008, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They had Marcus Camby as Warrick's NBA comparison? What the hell?</div> Oh yes. Believe it. http://nbadraft.net/profiles/stromileswift.htm <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Arial Helvetica sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">NBA Comparison: Shawn Kemp </span></span> <span style="font-family:Arial Helvetica sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">Strengths: Amazing atlhete. As a senior in HS dunked from the free throw line in a dunk contest. Very good moves around the basket. Has all the tools to become a top PF in the NBA. Good hands, soft touch. Good competitor. Look at the muscles on those arms!!!!------></span></span> <span style="font-family:Arial Helvetica sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">Weaknesses: Inexperience. Passing and defense can improve. Post moves can get much better. Needs to demand the ball and take over more then he does already.</span></span></div> WTF? Although, I do like this one: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#ffffff"><span style="font-family:Arial Helvetica sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#000000">NBA Comparison: Tim Thom<span style="color:#000000">as</span> </span></span></span></span></span></div> <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#ffffff"><span style="font-family:Arial Helvetica sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"></span></span></span></span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ May 5 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 5 2008, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ May 5 2008, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>His offense reminds me a lot of the few games I saw Josh Boone play in college. Those little lay-ups and strictly under the hoop.</div> Love has range out beyond the three point line. He made 29 threes last season at a 35% clip. I don't see any comparison with Boone at all. Love is shorter, stronger, can handle the ball and create his own shots. He's also in a completely different class of passer than Boone. Where Boone might have him is his ability to guard NBA centers. Love is too short. Boone has legit length and is really progressing in his post defense. A combination of the two might actually be very effective, especially with Carter running pick and rolls. </div> Padgett might have been a little harsh. It sounds to me like you're describing a less athletic, better passing Boki Nachbar. </div> Boki is 40 pounds lighter than Love. Love can score in the post and rebound like a champ. He is a legit frontcourt player. He's just too short to guard centers and he's fat.
Didn't anybody watch this guy? I must have gotten every UCLA and Stanford conference game last year. He and Brook Lopez were on almost every night!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 5 2008, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Didn't anybody watch this guy? I must have gotten every UCLA and Stanford conference game last year. He and Brook Lopez were on almost every night!</div> Well since you mentioned Lopez, how do you rate him as an NBA-ready big man and where do you see his potential? I'm curious in case the Nets grab a top 3 pick, trade up, or Lopez drops or some combo of the last two.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ May 6 2008, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 5 2008, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Didn't anybody watch this guy? I must have gotten every UCLA and Stanford conference game last year. He and Brook Lopez were on almost every night!</div> Well since you mentioned Lopez, how do you rate him as an NBA-ready big man and where do you see his potential? I'm curious in case the Nets grab a top 3 pick, trade up, or Lopez drops or some combo of the last two. </div> I think Lopez will go in the top five because he is a legit 7-footer with good bulk who can score in the post. I would not be happy if the Nets traded up for him. I think he's overrated and will be a mediocre to slightly above average pro. He's not going to demand double teams. He's inconsistent (read: streaky) and not particularly intimidating. He is more of a face-up player than a real post threat, and those are a dime a dozen nowadays. He has slow feet and his defense needs a lot of work to get stops on the next level. He did a decent job in college, but was a lot bigger than almost every player he faced. He'd be great on the pick and roll because of his excellent hands and his great touch. He also looks like a real basketball player when he plays - not like a tall guy who somebody made run drills until he learned to play. He's really smooth and coordinated and he's very smart and makes quick decisions. He'll be able to learn offenses quickly and coaches will love him. He'll give the effort defensively, too. He's also got some personality. He competes. He's definitely no stiff. The reason I don't like him for the Nets is because he doesn't do enough things they lack. I mean, Boone can get dunks on the pick and rolls and rebound just as well or better than Lopez. To be honest, I think Love would be a better fit on the Nets than Lopez. I don't think either of them will ever be an All-Star, but Love at least I'm positive will be a productive player in the league. He gives a coach some hard to find skills that can be very useful. I think Frank could get a lot of mileage out of him. Like I said, though, Jordan or Randolph might be a real star - these guys are just safe picks. Kiki better do his homework and be sure there are no Amares in this draft before he takes a guy like Love.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 5 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's just too short to guard centers and he's fat.</div> Sold! To me his best hope is a slightly shorter Okur, and therefore a marginal 2014 all-star.
I think you guys are really underrating this kid. I agree that he's not going to be an allstar but I think he will be a very serviceable big man. You say he can't guard centers, I disagree. I think he has to guard centers. He's too slow to guard the PFs in the league now. He is short and won't be a great shot blocker but his strength and ability to push people off the block will make him a decent defender. There just aren't many big bulky guys like Howard or Yao in the league anymore who can bang with him and use their height advantage. Offensively he won't be a great finisher but he is crafty enough to score in the post and if Boone or Williams develop their post game he can spread the floor and give them room to work. I think he much more physical that a Boki Nachbar but has range similar to him. One of his biggest offensive strength is that you can run the offense through him in the high post similar to how Brad Miller played for the Kings. Devin Harris isn't much of a half court PG so he could use some help faciltating the offense. The is no question he will be able to rebound at the NBA level. He has excellent fundamentals and was a double digit rebounder in college ( which usually translates pretty well to the NBA). Once he gets the rebound, he throws great, strong outlet passes. If he hits Harris near half court, with his speed, you guys should increase you fast break scoring significantly. Just my opinion though. Personally I hope he slips to the Warriors.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ryan @ May 6 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think you guys are really underrating this kid. I agree that he's not going to be an allstar but I think he will be a very serviceable big man. You say he can't guard centers, I disagree. I think he has to guard centers. He's too slow to guard the PFs in the league now. He is short and won't be a great shot blocker but his strength and ability to push people off the block will make him a decent defender. There just aren't many big bulky guys like Howard or Yao in the league anymore who can bang with him and use their height advantage. Offensively he won't be a great finisher but he is crafty enough to score in the post and if Boone or Williams develop their post game he can spread the floor and give them room to work. I think he much more physical that a Boki Nachbar but has range similar to him. One of his biggest offensive strength is that you can run the offense through him in the high post similar to how Brad Miller played for the Kings. Devin Harris isn't much of a half court PG so he could use some help faciltating the offense. The is no question he will be able to rebound at the NBA level. He has excellent fundamentals and was a double digit rebounder in college ( which usually translates pretty well to the NBA). Once he gets the rebound, he throws great, strong outlet passes. If he hits Harris near half court, with his speed, you guys should increase you fast break scoring significantly. Just my opinion though. Personally I hope he slips to the Warriors.</div> Finally someone else that watched this obsure player! His height is a definite problem guarding centers, though. Face-up guys like Ilgauskas and JON can shoot over him at will. Skilled tall men like Bogut or Yao will be able to get whatever they want if they get the post feed and since Love is not much of an athlete a high lob will be enough to get them the ball. Stronger, more skilled guys like Boozer and Brand will eat his lunch, and he has no chance of getting to the perimeter to guard the Okurs and Sheeds of the world. That's why he needs to get in shape. He has to get a little quicker and get off the floor more effectively.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 6 2008, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ryan @ May 6 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think you guys are really underrating this kid. I agree that he's not going to be an allstar but I think he will be a very serviceable big man. You say he can't guard centers, I disagree. I think he has to guard centers. He's too slow to guard the PFs in the league now. He is short and won't be a great shot blocker but his strength and ability to push people off the block will make him a decent defender. There just aren't many big bulky guys like Howard or Yao in the league anymore who can bang with him and use their height advantage. Offensively he won't be a great finisher but he is crafty enough to score in the post and if Boone or Williams develop their post game he can spread the floor and give them room to work. I think he much more physical that a Boki Nachbar but has range similar to him. One of his biggest offensive strength is that you can run the offense through him in the high post similar to how Brad Miller played for the Kings. Devin Harris isn't much of a half court PG so he could use some help faciltating the offense. The is no question he will be able to rebound at the NBA level. He has excellent fundamentals and was a double digit rebounder in college ( which usually translates pretty well to the NBA). Once he gets the rebound, he throws great, strong outlet passes. If he hits Harris near half court, with his speed, you guys should increase you fast break scoring significantly. Just my opinion though. Personally I hope he slips to the Warriors.</div> Finally someone else that watched this obsure player! His height is a definite problem guarding centers, though. Face-up guys like Ilgauskas and JON can shoot over him at will. Skilled tall men like Bogut or Yao will be able to get whatever they want if they get the post feed and since Love is not much of an athlete a high lob will be enough to get them the ball. Stronger, more skilled guys like Boozer and Brand will eat his lunch, and he has no chance of getting to the perimeter to guard the Okurs and Sheeds of the world. That's why he needs to get in shape. He has to get a little quicker and get off the floor more effectively. </div> So we agree that he's too slow to guard power forwards and too small to guard centers. Plus he won't be able to score around the basket because he can't get up high enough. I just can't see him being an effective player with the ball in his hands a high proportion of the time, which really limits how much damage he can do with his passing. It's one thing if you can pass like that and you're Chris Webber or Arvidas Sabonis. It's another if you're a 6-9 guy who plays below the rim. Still, I bet he could be a killer shooter, and those guys always stick. Plus he's really strong, and I bet he'll be a pretty good rebounder. I really have no idea what to make of him. I just can't imagine that he'll be the best player on the board when we pick. Personally, I think I'd like CDR, seeing as how we've got a big "For Sale" sign stamped on RJ's forehead.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ May 6 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I really have no idea what to make of him. I just can't imagine that he'll be the best player on the board when we pick. Personally, I think I'd like CDR, seeing as how we've got a big "For Sale" sign stamped on RJ's forehead.</div> I think we might have a chance at CDR or Rush with our second 1st rounder.
Met him at an In n Out a while ago. Dude pounded away 3 double doubles, fries and a shake in the 10 min I sat next to him. Cant confirm if he got up for more though...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ May 7 2008, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Met him at an In n Out a while ago. Dude pounded away 3 double doubles, fries and a shake in the 10 min I sat next to him. Cant confirm if he got up for more though...</div>
I'm not sold on kevin love, his weight is a major issue in my opinion. Coach Frank complains about Marcus Williams weight, his going to have a heart attack with kevin love. Love kind of reminds me of Sean May and a little bit of Tractor Taylor. Finally like many of you guys have said, Kevin Love isn't going to be an allstar but more of a sixth man.
