Rose and Beasley measurements & intangables & stats

One man's opinion. http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index...hName=bilas_jay

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jay Bilas)</div><div class='quotemain'>The Chicago Bulls may decide they need frontcourt help more than backcourt help and select Michael Beasley with the No. 1 pick. However, irrespective of need, I believe that Derrick Rose is the best player available in this year's NBA draft. Point guards with Rose's ability, athleticism and potential just don't come around very often, and if it were up to me, I would take Rose without hesitation.</div>

 

Can you guys believe in the last 20 years, theres only been one guard taken #1(allen Iverson)

 

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php...sc&start=12
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Chris Paul's stats in his draft year (he was a sophomore):
33.4mpg, 15.3ppg (shooting 45.1/47.4/83.4), 6.6apg, 4.5rpg

Deron William's stats in his draft year (he was a junior):
33.7mpg, 12.5ppg (shooting 43.3/36.4/67.7), 6.8apg, 3.6rpg

Derrick Rose's stats in his draft year (he was a freshman):
29.2mpg, 14.9ppg (shooting 47.7/33.7/71.2), 4.7apg, 4.5rpg
And if we adjust to 33.7mpg:
33.7mpg, 17.2ppg (shooting 47.7/33.7/71.2), 5.4apg, 5.2rpg


So stats wise, of the three, Rose is the best scorer and best rebounder, which dishing out slightly less assists. Also remember that Rose is bigger than Paul and the same size as Deron, the most athletic of the three, probably the best defender, played in the dribble drive motion offense that is not assist friendly, and was only a freshman. When you watch Rose play, you can tell right away that you are watching a future star.</div>

 

They all played in different situation and in difference conferences. Deron William played in a three guard system with Luther Head and Dee Brown, if I'm not mistaken. I forgot what offense wake Forest played in, all I remember is he played with Justin gray, and did most of the play making on that team.

 

DraftExpress has great college stats for recent draftees. I never noticed this before.

Here is Deron Williams:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Deron-Williams-72/stats/

Rose statistically dominates him and is very similar to Chris Paul. Paul had a 25 PER in his 2 years, Rose a 24 PER last year. Williams had 14.5, 20 & 19 in college.

 

A) 19.8 ppg, 11.4 reb, 2.0 apg, 1.8 spg, 1.4 bpg
B) 26.2 ppg, 12.4 reb, 1.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.6 bpg

A=Abe Lincoln
B=Beasley, Michael

Sure, Beasley scored more, but you also have to keep in mind Abe was on a completely stacked college team. Hinrich and Collison are both quality NBA players. Usually guys suffer a little bit statistically when they play with a bunch of other good players, at least compared to the situation in which they’re far and away the best player on the team.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/stor...&id=3269294

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Beasley loves the reliability of his mom but worries that having her around stunts his maturity.

"She's Batman and I'm Robin," Beasley said. "I like getting in trouble and letting her fix it. At the same time, I want to grow up, and that's hard to do with her by my side. I think maybe I need to be Batman a little more."</div>

What a tool....

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JayJohnstone @ May 29 2008, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/stor...&id=3269294

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Beasley loves the reliability of his mom but worries that having her around stunts his maturity.

"She's Batman and I'm Robin," Beasley said. "I like getting in trouble and letting her fix it. At the same time, I want to grow up, and that's hard to do with her by my side. I think maybe I need to be Batman a little more."</div>

What a tool....
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It's hilarious that we have one Bulls poster that looks for anything to put down on Beasley, and another that looks for anything to put down on Rose.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 29 2008, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It wouldn't surprise me if we drafted Rose and then traded him to Portland for their pick and Sergio.</div>

If Pax does anything other than draft Rose, he needs his head examined.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 29 2008, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It wouldn't surprise me if we drafted Rose and then traded him to Portland for their pick and Sergio.</div>
Why the hell would Chicago do that? Trade the 1st overall pick for the 13th pick and the 27th pick of the 2006 draft who has done NOTHING in the league?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 30 2008, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 30 2008, 05:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 29 2008, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It wouldn't surprise me if we drafted Rose and then traded him to Portland for their pick and Sergio.</div>
Why the hell would Chicago do that? Trade the 1st overall pick for the 13th pick and the 27th pick of the 2006 draft who has done NOTHING in the league?
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He drafted Aldridge at #2 and traded him for Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Kryhapa.

Why the hell would Chicago do _that_ ?

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For all intents and purposes, Khryapa at the time of that trade and Sergio at the time of this proposed trade are in the same boat. Late first round picks who have shown nothing in the NBA.

There's a much bigger difference in moving from the #2 pick to the #4 pick than from the #1 pick to the #13 pick.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 30 2008, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So you think trading Aldridge for Thomas and Viktor was a good move? Or at least a reasonable thing to do?

BTW, neither Beasley nor Rose (nor anyone else in the draft class) have shown anything in the NBA.</div>

Nowhere did I say it was a good move.
All I'm saying is that moving down from 2 to 4 is not comparable to moving down from 1 to 13. I shouldn't even have to explain this. If you don't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.

I don't even know what you're trying to get at with the 2nd comment. So because none of the draft class has done anything in the NBA, they all have equal value? That's not the case.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 30 2008, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ May 30 2008, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So you think trading Aldridge for Thomas and Viktor was a good move? Or at least a reasonable thing to do?

BTW, neither Beasley nor Rose (nor anyone else in the draft class) have shown anything in the NBA.</div>

Nowhere did I say it was a good move.
All I'm saying is that moving down from 2 to 4 is not comparable to moving down from 1 to 13. I shouldn't even have to explain this. If you don't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.

I don't even know what you're trying to get at with the 2nd comment. So because none of the draft class has done anything in the NBA, they all have equal value? That's not the case.
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KC, Paxson is that stupid

Part of me expects Paxson to draft Brook Lopez #1

 

Denny on most draft boards, Aldridge and Tyrus were in the top 4. For them to be swapped is not totally surprizing, and I think Aldridge was recovering from an injury anyway. In hindsight it looks like a bad trade, but at the time it didn't. (or at least people who made draft boards didn't imply one player was unanimously better than the other).

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ May 30 2008, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Denny on most draft boards, Aldridge and Tyrus were in the top 4. For them to be swapped is not totally surprizing, and I think Aldridge was recovering from an injury anyway. In hindsight it looks like a bad trade, but at the time it didn't. (or at least people who made draft boards didn't imply one player was unanimously better than the other).</div>

Draft boards also had Darko at #2