Does anyone know of a case in NBA history where a team had a different starting PG in the playoffs than it had for most of the regular season, and the reason had nothing to do with an injury, but was a voluntary coaching decision? Update: Also, situations where the playoff PG was acquired during the season do not count; I'm talking about where both the regular season and the playoff PG were on the roster the whole year, and neither was injured for the playoffs, nor in the regular season for more than about 20 games.
Did Dallas do this? Idk, I can't really remember. I'm pretty sure Devin didn't start for most of the regular season, and then in the playoffs ended up starting for most of the Mavs' Finals run. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/devin_harris/career_stats.html 05-06, he started more games in the playoffs than in the regular season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 27 2008, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>02/03 milwaukee bucks, acquired gary payton.</div> Thanks, but I updated my question; see above. I'm not interested if the playoff PG was not on the roster the whole season. Sorry I couldn't be more precise to begin with. Oh, and if anyone doesn't know, yes, this is another of my little researches to prove that Mr. Karl is even more out there in I can't win a playoff game never never land than people think.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 27 2008, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did Dallas do this? Idk, I can't really remember. I'm pretty sure Devin didn't start for most of the regular season, and then in the playoffs ended up starting for most of the Mavs' Finals run. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/devin_harris/career_stats.html 05-06, he started more games in the playoffs than in the regular season.</div> Who was the regular season PG? And, were both him and Devin Harris not injured much during the regular and not injured for the playoffs? And were both of them on the roster for the whole year?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ May 27 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Terry.</div> Ok, so for the 2005-06 Mavericks, Jason Terry was the starting PG for most of the regular season, but Devin Harris started most or all of the playoff games at the PG? And neither had any substantial injury problems during the regular or during the playoffs, and both were on the roster the whole season?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ May 27 2008, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ May 27 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Terry.</div> Ok, so for the 2005-06 Mavericks, Jason Terry was the starting PG for most of the regular season, but Devin Harris started most or all of the playoff games at the PG? And neither had any substantial injury problems during the regular or during the playoffs, and both were on the roster the whole season? </div> Devin Harris's 05-06 game log. Jason Terry's 05-06 game log. During the regular season, Adrian Griffin and Marquis Daniels switched off as starters at SG. Terry started at PG. Devin Harris played most of the season 6th man, and got injured near the end of the season. He came back for the playoffs, and was inserted into the starting lineup along with Jason Terry (who moved to SG) in the Spurs series. He started for most of the rest of their playoff run.
Well a check of what records are available confirm that Jason Terry was the starting PG for 80 regular season games, so if Harris was the playoff starter and if Harris was not substantially injured during the regular season, than this would be the second known instance of this seemingly insane thing, along with the 2007-08 Nuggets. Isn't it interesting that Avery Johnson is currently out of a job due to dismal playoff results, allthough the sum total of evidence against him is actually less than the evidence against Karl? Just a coincidence that his name comes up here? I tend to doubt it. Oh well, I guess if you are a big market team you get new coaches for lesser cause than if you are a smaller market team. Any other examples, though, or are there just two known cases in the history of the NBA of this?
A very interesting side question would be whether the Mavericks, who as I recall were supposed to win the Championship that year, blew the series by doing that backcourt switch. It's a side question for me but for Mavericks fans it may be a monster question.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ May 27 2008, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well a check of what records are available confirm that Jason Terry was the starting PG for 80 regular season games, so if Harris was the playoff starter and if Harris was not substantially injured during the regular season, than this would be the second known instance of this seemingly insane thing, along with the 2007-08 Nuggets. Isn't it interesting that Avery Johnson is currently out of a job due to dismal playoff results, allthough the sum total of evidence against him is actually less than the evidence against Karl? Just a coincidence that his name comes up here? I tend to doubt it. Oh well, I guess if you are a big market team you get new coaches for lesser cause than if you are a smaller market team.</div> Yeah, but that year, the Mavs made it to the Finals. The Nuggets haven't made it past the 1st round. Huge difference, there. (So, I guess that's only backing your idea of firing George Karl)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 27 2008, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ May 27 2008, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well a check of what records are available confirm that Jason Terry was the starting PG for 80 regular season games, so if Harris was the playoff starter and if Harris was not substantially injured during the regular season, than this would be the second known instance of this seemingly insane thing, along with the 2007-08 Nuggets. Isn't it interesting that Avery Johnson is currently out of a job due to dismal playoff results, allthough the sum total of evidence against him is actually less than the evidence against Karl? Just a coincidence that his name comes up here? I tend to doubt it. Oh well, I guess if you are a big market team you get new coaches for lesser cause than if you are a smaller market team.</div> Yeah, but that year, the Mavs made it to the Finals. The Nuggets haven't made it past the 1st round. Huge difference, there. (So, I guess that's only backing your idea of firing George Karl) </div> Exactly, with owners as well as people in general, there is a wide variation in attitudes toward success and relative failure. The owner of the Nuggets, Stan Kroenke, is a purring cat toward his staff compared with Mark Cuban. Obviously; they could not be more different owners in terms of how they evaluate the accomplishments or lack thereof of their staffs. Someone should explain to Mr. Kroenke that there is a large untapped world of coaching talent out there, and that there is no law for example against Denver being the team that names Brian Shaw as head coach, who sooner or later IS going to be a head coach somewhere.
I love your indirect questions on reasons you want to fire Karl. All of which, revolve around the PG situation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ May 27 2008, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>2nd? Nah, there has to be more. This was just off the top of our heads.</div> A quick check of Wikipedia shows that there were 12 playoff teams from 1977-78 to 1983-84 and 16 playoff teams since then. That would be 468 playoff teams from 1977-78 through and including 2007-08, a span of 31 years. I would be surprised if even 1 percent of those teams voluntarily started a different PG in the playoffs compared with the regular season with no injury or acquisition factors involved. If it was more than 1 percent, there would have to be 5 such teams, and I highly, highly doubt there have been.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ May 27 2008, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I love your indirect questions on reasons you want to fire Karl. All of which, revolve around the PG situation.</div> Karl so badly screwed this up that he drove me to a level of dislike for the guy's beliefs and basketball team management that I thought I would never reach. If screwing up a team was a crime, he would be sitting in jail right now, because he committed a real whopper this year, a major Class A Felony. This year's failure to put a PG on the court, which is what really happened if the truth were told, was even worse than the Martin benching in 2005-06 and the JR Smith tormenting and playoff benching in 2006-07.
