NBA FINALS THREAD: Lakers vs. Celtics

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 16 2008, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your FG% is going to suffer sometimes when you get fouled enough to shoot 12 to 20 FTAs.

.263 game he made 12 FT, right? 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals. Filled out the rest of the stat sheet in every other category.</div>
There's no denying the fact that .263% is pretty horrible. I've seen guys like Wade and Kobe shoot at a high percentage even when getting to the line 12 to 20 times. I wouldn't say he had a good game that night...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>BTW, Kobe has these three games in THIS YEAR's finals:

9-26, .346 24 pts, 6 assists
6-19 .316 17 pts, 10 assists
8-21 .281 25 pts, 4 assists</div>
And what is this supposed to prove? I'm not comparing Kobe to MJ

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 16 2008, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 16 2008, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Some fans and media see Kobe through tinted glasses though, and even his poop is worth gold to them.</div>

Seriously, I just addressed this.
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Oh, sorry Huevon. I didn`t know you addressed the poop issue. I wasn`t being literal about the poop issue. I just meant that even when Kobe plays bad, some fans will still think its wonderful and would like to smother themselves in his performance and take in its aroma.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 16 2008, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 16 2008, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 16 2008, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Some fans and media see Kobe through tinted glasses though, and even his poop is worth gold to them.</div>

Seriously, I just addressed this.
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Oh, sorry Huevon. I didn`t know you addressed the poop issue. I wasn`t being literal about the poop issue. I just meant that even when Kobe plays bad, some fans will still think its wonderful and would like to smother themselves in his performance and take in its aroma.
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With my great foresight, I have addressed all of this. :]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 16 2008, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 16 2008, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 16 2008, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 16 2008, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Some fans and media see Kobe through tinted glasses though, and even his poop is worth gold to them.</div>

Seriously, I just addressed this.
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Oh, sorry Huevon. I didn`t know you addressed the poop issue. I wasn`t being literal about the poop issue. I just meant that even when Kobe plays bad, some fans will still think its wonderful and would like to smother themselves in his performance and take in its aroma.
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With my great foresight, I have addressed all of this. :]
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Well then I'm sure that the article that addressed this probably was identical to this:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Huevon's essay on Kobe? @ Jun 16 2008, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My thesis is Kobe`s poop is gold!

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Step 2: Collect Underpants

Step 3: “?
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Therefore Kobe quite clearly only produces feces made of gold.</div>



I look forward to your next article that Kobe only urinates black gold.

 

Why do we continue to compare Kobe to MJ? Who cares if MJ never had a "bad" game in the Finals? At the moment, not me. To that point though, if those games are "good", then Kobe's three crap games this series aren't "that bad", are they? Unless of course you feel like applying a double standard here....

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 16 2008, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I really should be rooting for the Celtics, considering my Law Practice is Boston Legal.

BTW, Jordan NEVER had a bad finals game.</div>

Firstly, FG% is one of the most important things. If Jordan scored 50 points on 20% shooting, according to you, it's a good game? Theres no point in replying to your posts if thats what you believe.

Secondly, when was the last time Jordan played a finals series against 3 futures Hall of Famers, with him being the only futures Hall of Famer on his team? Odom and Gasol aren't future Hall of Famer's. Gasol is also playing out of position, hence why he'e being exposed as a pussy.

Thirdly, what you people don't understand is that Kobe takes up so much attention that the other players on the team have easier looks. As he said himself, every time he touches the ball, he see's four players infront of him. It's the same way that Garnett takes up alot of attention in the post so he kicks it out to the shooters, so players like House actually look like brilliant players.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Jun 14 2008, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And back to the topic about Kobe and MJ, I still continue to claim that Kobe is the best player after MJ, even if he was to retire at this moment. I don't think he'll surpass MJ, but will come close to that level, and who knows, in a few years we'll talk about players and say he's the next Kobe. Because he'll make his name important in the history of the game.</div>


umm ever heard of Bill Russell? Wilt Chamberlain? Kareem Abdul Jabbar? Oscar Robinson? Larry Bird? Magic Johnson? Hakeem Olajuwon?

They all may beg to differ with you above statement.. as do I. That's absurd.

 

Celtics did their Job on LA, win once. Now they can finish it at home!
I know the Lakers fans have their hopes up, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think the Lakers can win 2 on the road. They are too inconsistent.
nearly 40 points in 1 quarter, held to just 6 points for the next 8 mins of play... crazy inconsistent!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 16 2008, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>People always dog Kobe. What makes this series any different?</div>
Because this is the NBA Finals, and as of now everyone is comparing him to MJ which I find a complete joke.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>KG has also played pretty poorly during this series. You don't see as many people dogging him, though.

People just have a natural hatred for Kobe, and are naturally on KG's nuts.</div>
I don't know about everyone, but I've been the first one to say KG has been MIA in the NBA finals. Granted, this is his first appearence and Kobe already has 3 rings - but he's played soft as hell. He's too good to be taking jumpers over Gasol when he can attack the basket and either score or go to the line every play.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, I know this is vaguely irrelevant and stupid, but I find it funny that ESPN is all over Paul Peirce...even though Boston lost. Yeah. Don't pay any attention to Odom or Gasol, they didn't do anything special. Nope. Heh</div>
Pierce carried the team in game 5. KG was in foul trouble as was Ray Allen and he was the reason they kept the game close (and make the comeback)

Odom and Gasol had good games too don't get me wrong, but when the team blows a 19 point lead AGAIN you have to give credit when its due. Thats why ESPN went off on PP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>nearly 40 points in 1 quarter, held to just 6 points for the next 8 mins of play... crazy inconsistent!</div>
Exactly. Thats another reason why I don't think they can take the series. Boston is too good at home, and I think they will take it in 6.

And if they do - I would say KG finally deserves this, but he hasn't really shown up this entire series. Pierce and Allen are the ones taking care business.

& Jesus - Before you go saying how great Kobe was you have to just be lucky he didn't get called for a foul on that one play. Say whatever you want that it wasn't a foul but even the sportscasters agreed it was a questionable call. That play saved his ass. . and if not for that and KG missing the 2 FTs that game could have very well been a Boston W.

The Lakers didn't play good enough for a game that was on the line.

 

Let me 1st say that I agree with everything else you said. Except the Paul Peirce thing, but that's trivial anyways.

But with this:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ice @ Jun 17 2008, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>& Jesus - Before you go saying how great Kobe was you have to just be lucky he didn't get called for a foul on that one play. Say whatever you want that it wasn't a foul but even the sportscasters agreed it was a questionable call. That play saved his ass. . and if not for that and KG missing the 2 FTs that game could have very well been a Boston W.</div>


Out of all the bullshit plays and non-calls...you wanna just pick that one out?

 

Ima drop $200 on Lakers moneyline +170, $200 to win 340

LETS DO THIS SHIT HUMMIES!!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ice @ Jun 17 2008, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>KG has also played pretty poorly during this series. You don't see as many people dogging him, though.

People just have a natural hatred for Kobe, and are naturally on KG's nuts.</div>
I don't know about everyone, but I've been the first one to say KG has been MIA in the NBA finals. Granted, this is his first appearence and Kobe already has 3 rings - but he's played soft as hell. He's too good to be taking jumpers over Gasol when he can attack the basket and either score or go to the line every play.

And if they do - I would say KG finally deserves this, but he hasn't really shown up this entire series. Pierce and Allen are the ones taking care business.

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I've been saying since before KG was with the Celtics. He's the ultimate Robin. He does a lot of things really great, but he's no Batman. Batman takes over in crunch time and gets the bucket or to the line when his team needs him to do this and he consistently does this. That's why KG with Paul is working. KG can get the boards, score points within the flow of the game, make good passes to open teamates, but he needs a guy like Pierce who is going to stop a 10-0 run or take the shot in the 4th quarter in a 1 point game. Ray Allen can do this as well.

Again it comes to down to KG not having played in enough pressure games, just like MOST of the HS kids who went to the NBA.
KG, T-Mac, Jermaine O'Neal are all very good players, but these guys have not achieve much as leaders on their teams.
Kobe was fortunate enough to land on a Lakers team that had A: Shaq, B: Veterans who had won C: Phil Jackson who allowed him to take big shots and fail early in his career. And yet Kobe is still missing an intangible that is costing the Lakers the series. This guy has disappeared at times when he was needed to stop the bleeding.
The only HS'er who appears to rising above that is LeBron who lead a sad-sack team to the finals, is still improving and is learning when to take over and when to playing within the team. He's also started playing hard on both ends of the floor too. Still it's too early to tell if LeBron will find continued success in the playoffs.
Look at the recent winners of the NBA title. Tim Duncan and the Spurs, Timmy had 4 years of college and exposure to tight important games. Shaq had 1 year of college and played in tight games and he's also a freak of nature, an unstoppable force. Dwayne Wade.. say what you want the refs and all those fouls, he carried Marquette to the Final Four and carried the Heat to a title. Note that there's a reoccuring theme here.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 17 2008, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Out of all the bullshit plays and non-calls...you wanna just pick that one out?</div>
When it makes a potential difference between a W or L, yes. Any unbiased fan would agree.

But they simply weren't going to get that call on the road, and I understand that. Thats why its called home court advantage.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What do you think of PJax playing Mihm in a game with the championship series on the line?</div>
Honestly, I love the matchup. Mihm doesn't have any experience.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I've been saying since before KG was with the Celtics. He's the ultimate Robin. He does a lot of things really great, but he's no Batman. Batman takes over in crunch time and gets the bucket or to the line when his team needs him to do this and he consistently does this. That's why KG with Paul is working. KG can get the boards, score points within the flow of the game, make good passes to open teamates, but he needs a guy like Pierce who is going to stop a 10-0 run or take the shot in the 4th quarter in a 1 point game. Ray Allen can do this as well.</div>
You know, I never really thought about it like that. I completely agree with you.

He's a great player, but like Jermaine O'Neal and Tmac they seem to have something missing. Don't get me wrong I think they are all amazing players. . but they lack what Tim Duncan, Shaq, Pierce, etc. have - clutch play.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The only HS'er who appears to rising above that is LeBron who lead a sad-sack team to the finals, is still improving and is learning when to take over and when to playing within the team. He's also started playing hard on both ends of the floor too. Still it's too early to tell if LeBron will find continued success in the playoffs.</div>
Yep. Give Lebron a real team and then we can make judgement. He came damn close to going to his second finals by himself. That alone should say something, but we'll never really know his true dominance until he has himself a Pippen.

And while we're on the subject of HS players - I'm glad the NBA made that rule about getting a year down before entering the draft. It's a shame they didn't make it longer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Ima drop $200 on Lakers moneyline +170, $200 to win 340

LETS DO THIS SHIT HUMMIES!!!</div>
Excuse me?

You must enjoy sounding illiterate.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ice @ Jun 17 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 17 2008, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Out of all the bullshit plays and non-calls...you wanna just pick that one out?</div>
When it makes a potential difference between a W or L, yes. Any unbiased fan would agree.

But they simply weren't going to get that call on the road, and I understand that. Thats why its called home court advantage.
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Ah, like those illegal screens Garnett has been constantly setting? And the way every defender holds onto Kobe's arms like his life depends on it?

I simply call it karma.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ice @ Jun 17 2008, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 16 2008, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>People always dog Kobe. What makes this series any different?</div>
Because this is the NBA Finals, and as of now everyone is comparing him to MJ which I find a complete joke.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>KG has also played pretty poorly during this series. You don't see as many people dogging him, though.

People just have a natural hatred for Kobe, and are naturally on KG's nuts.</div>
I don't know about everyone, but I've been the first one to say KG has been MIA in the NBA finals. Granted, this is his first appearence and Kobe already has 3 rings - but he's played soft as hell. He's too good to be taking jumpers over Gasol when he can attack the basket and either score or go to the line every play.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, I know this is vaguely irrelevant and stupid, but I find it funny that ESPN is all over Paul Peirce...even though Boston lost. Yeah. Don't pay any attention to Odom or Gasol, they didn't do anything special. Nope. Heh</div>
Pierce carried the team in game 5. KG was in foul trouble as was Ray Allen and he was the reason they kept the game close (and make the comeback)

Odom and Gasol had good games too don't get me wrong, but when the team blows a 19 point lead AGAIN you have to give credit when its due. Thats why ESPN went off on PP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>nearly 40 points in 1 quarter, held to just 6 points for the next 8 mins of play... crazy inconsistent!</div>
Exactly. Thats another reason why I don't think they can take the series. Boston is too good at home, and I think they will take it in 6.

And if they do - I would say KG finally deserves this, but he hasn't really shown up this entire series. Pierce and Allen are the ones taking care business.

& Jesus - Before you go saying how great Kobe was you have to just be lucky he didn't get called for a foul on that one play. Say whatever you want that it wasn't a foul but even the sportscasters agreed it was a questionable call. That play saved his ass. . and if not for that and KG missing the 2 FTs that game could have very well been a Boston W.

The Lakers didn't play good enough for a game that was on the line.
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Yeah right that wasn't a foul with what PJ Brown did to Pau in the Lane, or compared to KG's screens.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ Jun 17 2008, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ice @ Jun 17 2008, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>KG has also played pretty poorly during this series. You don't see as many people dogging him, though.

People just have a natural hatred for Kobe, and are naturally on KG's nuts.</div>
I don't know about everyone, but I've been the first one to say KG has been MIA in the NBA finals. Granted, this is his first appearence and Kobe already has 3 rings - but he's played soft as hell. He's too good to be taking jumpers over Gasol when he can attack the basket and either score or go to the line every play.

And if they do - I would say KG finally deserves this, but he hasn't really shown up this entire series. Pierce and Allen are the ones taking care business.

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I've been saying since before KG was with the Celtics. He's the ultimate Robin. He does a lot of things really great, but he's no Batman. Batman takes over in crunch time and gets the bucket or to the line when his team needs him to do this and he consistently does this. That's why KG with Paul is working. KG can get the boards, score points within the flow of the game, make good passes to open teamates, but he needs a guy like Pierce who is going to stop a 10-0 run or take the shot in the 4th quarter in a 1 point game. Ray Allen can do this as well.

Again it comes to down to KG not having played in enough pressure games, just like MOST of the HS kids who went to the NBA.
KG, T-Mac, Jermaine O'Neal are all very good players, but these guys have not achieve much as leaders on their teams.
Kobe was fortunate enough to land on a Lakers team that had A: Shaq, B: Veterans who had won C: Phil Jackson who allowed him to take big shots and fail early in his career. And yet Kobe is still missing an intangible that is costing the Lakers the series. This guy has disappeared at times when he was needed to stop the bleeding.
The only HS'er who appears to rising above that is LeBron who lead a sad-sack team to the finals, is still improving and is learning when to take over and when to playing within the team. He's also started playing hard on both ends of the floor too. Still it's too early to tell if LeBron will find continued success in the playoffs.
Look at the recent winners of the NBA title. Tim Duncan and the Spurs, Timmy had 4 years of college and exposure to tight important games. Shaq had 1 year of college and played in tight games and he's also a freak of nature, an unstoppable force. Dwayne Wade.. say what you want the refs and all those fouls, he carried Marquette to the Final Four and carried the Heat to a title. Note that there's a reoccuring theme here.
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Kobe has not struggled in the fourth quarter of these games, further he's always been a big time player. He doesn't get to play against garbage like Pierce.