<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 3 2008, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But no matter how good the prospect, there is always some amount of risk before he can prove that he can succeed at the NBA level. NBA draft history is littered with "can't miss" top-five picks who did, in fact, miss. You could be correct that Rose will end up the superior player within a fwe years, but that has to be weighed against the risk of total failure. The fact that Devin Harris is still developing himself--and was a top-five pick to boot--has to be weighed as well. Just for example, Mike Dunleavy and Adam Morrison were #3 picks!</div> That's a bad example. While 'surefire picks' (read: next great white hope) that's bad GM work on display there, keep in mind who picked them. Sure it's risky to take a shot on building around a college kid via the draft but at this point in the Nets restructuring process it's a perfect time to take that chance and if it fails it just helps them gather more talent with a high draft pick. Outside of a career ending injury to Rose where we get nothing from him, what is losing a few more games and not making the playoffs? Are we really a couple players away from making a serious run in the playoffs? Time will tell but at this point I don't believe we are. In any draft we're talking about a 1-2-3 overall player here. Guys like Rose aren't available at 4 or 5 unless there's some super heavyweights coming out with him and a couple dumb decisions like Morrison and Dunleavy ahead of him. Harris is assuredly the safe bet, no question, and will bust his butt for us but with the sheer amount of holes we have to fill you have to ask isn't he really just another, significantly better than what we're used to, stop gap until we find something better? And before anybody goes by what Kiki says, we all know full well nothing any GM says is permanent so throw that argument right out the window. It boils down to your philosophy of building a team. If given the opportunity, I would take the chance and put the leftover money into someone else at another need. I personally have a big problem with Rod's constant obsession with making the playoffs over the longterm betterment of the team, this is the point where that nonsense has to end. So what if we suck out for a couple years and develop talent from scratch? I understand that's not what Ratner wants to hear but goddamn that's the way you build a team's identity and put those players like Rose in positions to succeed and fail without hordes of pressure. With a coach like Frank grooming Rose from the ground up I think we could see a potential all star. I know Harris still has more in his bag of tricks but can anyone say Harris has that all star ability in a Nets uniform without a little hesitation? I'm with ya Dumpy that that may never happen for Rose either but I personally would stand behind that pick and take any lumps that come with it even if Devin continues to show his steady play and improvement. I'm sick of safe and if choosing Rose over Harris is risky then you can call me Evel Knievel . If both were in this draft I would go Rose, then Harris, and choose from the sizable gap to the next best person whoever that may be.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Jun 2 2008, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 2 2008, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't trade Harris for Rose. I wouldn't trade a proven NBA player for one who will be adjusting for at least two years. Rose took Memphis to the NCAA Final Four and lost. Harris took Dallas to the NBA Finals and lost. Tell me which one is the most significant accomplishment.</div> I'll give Rose one season before he eclipses Harris. I believe he is that good. And I say Rose's accomplishment is slightly more significant. Only because Harris did not "take" Dallas to the Finals. He just happened to be a part of that Mavs finals team. Jason Terry & Dirk took that team to the finals. Not Harris. Rose single handedly took Memphis to the NCAA finals. I dont want to sound like a Harris-hater, I'm not. I just don't see him as one of the elite PG's. I truly believe he's about as good as he is now. He'll be a 17/6 guy, which is not bad at all. I just want to see an improvement on his playmaking skills. He isn't in that elite level class of Paul/Deron, nor do I think he ever will be. Hey, I'd love to be wrong about that though. </div> EXCELLENT POST
You'd have to take Rose over Harris without blinking. Harris, at best, is a very borderline All-Star player. Rose can be far more than that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jun 3 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 3 2008, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But no matter how good the prospect, there is always some amount of risk before he can prove that he can succeed at the NBA level. NBA draft history is littered with "can't miss" top-five picks who did, in fact, miss. You could be correct that Rose will end up the superior player within a fwe years, but that has to be weighed against the risk of total failure. The fact that Devin Harris is still developing himself--and was a top-five pick to boot--has to be weighed as well. Just for example, Mike Dunleavy and Adam Morrison were #3 picks!</div> That's a bad example. While 'surefire picks' (read: next great white hope) that's bad GM work on display there, keep in mind who picked them. Sure it's risky to take a shot on building around a college kid via the draft but at this point in the Nets restructuring process it's a perfect time to take that chance and if it fails it just helps them gather more talent with a high draft pick. Outside of a career ending injury to Rose where we get nothing from him, what is losing a few more games and not making the playoffs? Are we really a couple players away from making a serious run in the playoffs? Time will tell but at this point I don't believe we are. In any draft we're talking about a 1-2-3 overall player here. Guys like Rose aren't available at 4 or 5 unless there's some super heavyweights coming out with him and a couple dumb decisions like Morrison and Dunleavy ahead of him. Harris is assuredly the safe bet, no question, and will bust his butt for us but with the sheer amount of holes we have to fill you have to ask isn't he really just another, significantly better than what we're used to, stop gap until we find something better? And before anybody goes by what Kiki says, we all know full well nothing any GM says is permanent so throw that argument right out the window. It boils down to your philosophy of building a team. If given the opportunity, I would take the chance and put the leftover money into someone else at another need. I personally have a big problem with Rod's constant obsession with making the playoffs over the longterm betterment of the team, this is the point where that nonsense has to end. So what if we suck out for a couple years and develop talent from scratch? I understand that's not what Ratner wants to hear but goddamn that's the way you build a team's identity and put those players like Rose in positions to succeed and fail without hordes of pressure. With a coach like Frank grooming Rose from the ground up I think we could see a potential all star. I know Harris still has more in his bag of tricks but can anyone say Harris has that all star ability in a Nets uniform without a little hesitation? I'm with ya Dumpy that that may never happen for Rose either but I personally would stand behind that pick and take any lumps that come with it even if Devin continues to show his steady play and improvement. I'm sick of safe and if choosing Rose over Harris is risky then you can call me Evel Knievel . If both were in this draft I would go Rose, then Harris, and choose from the sizable gap to the next best person whoever that may be. </div> Bingo and people chewed me out when I suggested trading some of our chips to get a chance at Rose. I would be willing to give up Harris + #10 + one other chip to get this kid. That's how much I believe in him and if I am wrong I am more than willing to say so. It's a risk but no contender was built without taking any risks. Utah traded away multiple picks to get Deron Williams and you can see how that turned out after a couple of seasons. JMHO though.
