mainly because he's a guy whom nellie will play right away. the guy can definitely get his shot off and he's got long range. another plus is he can guard bigger men in the league at the sf spot. hindsight's 20/20, but we should've traded al harrington instead of jrich last season and we would've been in the playoffs again. brandon rush @ draft express brandon rush video
brandon rush had a great workout. this guy has really freakishly long arms, can do it all and play now: golden state warriors workout - draft express brandon rush video update
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ Jun 17 2008, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I want Chris Douglas Roberts to be a warrior!</div> got video? methinks you want him because he has three first names.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jason voorhees @ Jun 18 2008, 04:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ Jun 17 2008, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I want Chris Douglas Roberts to be a warrior!</div> got video? methinks you want him because he has three first names. </div> [video=youtube;ZC_2a_Fh1Ug]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC_2a_Fh1Ug"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC_2a_Fh1Ug[/video] (fundamentals! Can finish with off-hand/good footwork) [video=youtube;OgPdguR-g44]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgPdguR-g44"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgPdguR-g44[/video] (classy character) [video=youtube;EA83OemckVk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA83OemckVk&NR=1"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA83OemckVk&NR=1[/video] (good hops, nice length) [video=youtube;Eziogfe5XSI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eziogfe5XSI&feature=related[/video] [video=youtube;QqB9jTYehe8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqB9jTYehe8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqB9jTYehe8[/video] (bank shot, can finish in transition, great ballhandler) [video=youtube;QCNHZAHk28M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNHZAHk28M"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNHZAHk28M[/video] [video=youtube;JyY9CDLzSgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyY9CDLzSgw&feature=related[/video] [video=youtube;UrMZAPKSt3g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrMZAPKSt3g"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrMZAPKSt3g[/video] CDR! Of course don't talk about his free throw shooting. It's probably why he fell so far in the draft. He couldn't close out the game that was just in reach. But I think CDR has proven he's been money all season (he's got a good midrange game/killer instinct/basketball iq which is essential if you want a scorer/distributor, remember guys like Jrich, Budinger lack that midrange game while Monta Ellis/Sjax has it). If the Warriors are looking for a true guard (albeit unorthodox shot release), they'd be crazy not to take him. The guy puts up stats, he defends, and he can set up plays for other players. He could very well be like a Ronnie Brewer or a Rip Hamilton body that plays more like a passing, dribbling, scorer. If the guy has skills and he's on one of the nation's best teams and he's mentally mature, I say take that guy if we're looking for a guard. The position I covet the most is a power forward, but I'm not sure we have the opportunity to get one this low in the draft. There's Kosta Koufos, but he may end up being Troy Murphy without the rebounding unless he's packing a post game and better rebounding. Plus, CDR mentioned that Sjax is one of his favorite players. I don't how accurate that info was because it was off a blog that mentioned CDR talking about the Warriors-Mavericks series and Sjax. But why lie about that. I'll try to dig up the source, but maybe it's been posted in another thread like the draft CDR thread. Also, here are some other folks that agree with me which is good, so I'm not totally alone in wanting to get him if we're going for a guard. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/20298-N...-Roberts-280408 http://straightbangin.blogspot.com/2008/05...o-be-right.html Upside can be overrated if they don't got the skill. Just look at Brandon Roy in his weak draft where he probably would have fallen much lower in a draft with better athletes with better potential. Look at Joe Johnson sitting on the Celtics bench or being a role playing shooter for Phoenix. Look at Tayshaun Prince in that weak 2002 draft. Look at how guys like Paul Pierce, Jameer Nelson, Danny Granger, Josh Howard and others fell in their drafts when they should have been much higher. These are good players who many felt didn't have upside, but they can freakin' play against really good players. In terms of baseball analogy: I'm all for swinging for the fences in the draft, everyone loves a homerun ball, but it's much better to consistently get base hits so we can advance runners. In the cases where we don't have a high lottery pick, go for the best picks that all the lottery teams miss out on because they're too busy trying to swing for the fences rather than trying to make solid contact with the ball and getting men on base.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ Jun 18 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jason voorhees @ Jun 18 2008, 04:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ Jun 17 2008, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I want Chris Douglas Roberts to be a warrior!</div> got video? methinks you want him because he has three first names. </div> [video=youtube;ZC_2a_Fh1Ug]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC_2a_Fh1Ug"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC_2a_Fh1Ug[/video] (fundamentals! Can finish with off-hand/good footwork) [video=youtube;OgPdguR-g44]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgPdguR-g44"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgPdguR-g44[/video] (classy character) [video=youtube;EA83OemckVk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA83OemckVk&NR=1"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA83OemckVk&NR=1[/video] (good hops, nice length) [video=youtube;Eziogfe5XSI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eziogfe5XSI&feature=related[/video] [video=youtube;QqB9jTYehe8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqB9jTYehe8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqB9jTYehe8[/video] (bank shot, can finish in transition, great ballhandler) [video=youtube;QCNHZAHk28M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNHZAHk28M"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNHZAHk28M[/video] [video=youtube;UrMZAPKSt3g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrMZAPKSt3g"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrMZAPKSt3g[/video] CDR! Of course don't talk about his free throw shooting. </div> why not?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BasX @ Jun 18 2008, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ Jun 18 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jason voorhees @ Jun 18 2008, 04:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ Jun 17 2008, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I want Chris Douglas Roberts to be a warrior!</div> got video? methinks you want him because he has three first names. </div> [video=youtube;ZC_2a_Fh1Ug]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC_2a_Fh1Ug"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC_2a_Fh1Ug[/video] (fundamentals! Can finish with off-hand/good footwork) [video=youtube;OgPdguR-g44]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgPdguR-g44"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgPdguR-g44[/video] (classy character) [video=youtube;EA83OemckVk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA83OemckVk&NR=1"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA83OemckVk&NR=1[/video] (good hops, nice length) [video=youtube;Eziogfe5XSI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eziogfe5XSI&feature=related[/video] [video=youtube;QqB9jTYehe8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqB9jTYehe8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqB9jTYehe8[/video] (bank shot, can finish in transition, great ballhandler) [video=youtube;QCNHZAHk28M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNHZAHk28M"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNHZAHk28M[/video] [video=youtube;UrMZAPKSt3g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrMZAPKSt3g"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrMZAPKSt3g[/video] CDR! Of course don't talk about his free throw shooting. </div> why not? </div> Well, you know why. (yes, I know you know) Everyone saw the NCAA tourney, can argue that CDR lost the game because it went to overtime on the account of several missed free throws. But that's why he'd fit in perfectly as a warrior. He wouldn't be alone on a team full of charity stripe chokers. But unlike Sjax or Baron, he'd actually hit closer to Monta Ellis' fg %s.
That's fine, I'm more interested in Kosta Koufos or CDR Those are my hot prospects because I feel like we're not going to add anything if we don't have a true post player or a guard that can generate offense (say no to just set shooters). So in the end I agree with Run's initial pick for a big man even though Kosta Koufos doesn't have much explosiveness or overall polish as a post player (he does have size, finesse and you can't really teach those qualities). Since guys that can play both center and power forward + big men who play inside and out are hard to find, I'd like Kosta Koufos because he could be valuable when you need that guy who can do a variety of roles and play like a big man defensively. So with the draft a few days away, I'll go with Koufos as my first pick, CDR my second. I'm sure barring any trades, Koufos will be Mullin's #1 draft choice. To me it makes the most sense because which skills are we waiting for? We're waiting for Biedrins to develop some offense (which may never be as advanced as we want it) and we're waiting for Wright (who probably is too weak for any battle in the paint and isn't finesse like Chris Bosh just yet). If we don't have that strong front line we're not going to control the tempo of the game very often unless we continue to keep going small and sacrificing our ability to defend, play man to man, and rebound the ball. Then we got one more big man who might not pack quite the upside as Koufos, Wright, or Biedrins. The verdict is still out on Kosta Perovic, but some are debating whether he could develop into a Zydrunas Illgauskus/Rasho Nesterovic type player when his offensive skill is very basic level and he's still very weak and very slow. Let's just say I think our prospects have a better chance than this guy http://www.nba.com/draft2004/profiles/PavelPodkolzine.html and this guy: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/martynas_and...cius/index.html I thought Kosta Koufos looked fairly quick for a 7 footer of around 245 lbs, but he's not really a leaper nor is he fast moving side to side. He does have a nice wingspan and appears very well coordinated. I figure if he develops into a strong inside scorer, he won't need to play much above the rim. The thing is does he shy away from contact or does he welcome it? I don't see many free throw attempts from this guy like the way Kevin Love or Brook Lopez get sent to the line. But I think Koufos seems like the BAP from the fan's point of view because I don't like any of the 3/4 mismatches or big men that are left. I like a lot of the guards, though, but why pick em at #14? We go for risk and get a young talented big man who has some qualities that could make you believe he could play some minutes in the nba right off the bat. I don't think he'll push us over the top, but he'll definitely be more effective than whoever we could muster up from the mid level exception or the best of the nbdl.
CR2, yeah basically Kosta Koufos and Donte Greene have been my 1-2 favorite choices for our pick at 14. Before it was Kosta but recently I've switched to Donte being the #1 choice if hes there. Don't get me wrong, I do like Kosta at 14 for the reasons I mentioned before as well as the ones you've mentioned. He does move well for a guy his size, hes a legit 7'1+ with a 7'5 wingspan, his jumpshot is very solid from day one, he can put the ball on the floor, hes got nice touch around the rim and has some developing moves down there. He'd definitely be the best option if you're looking for a big man with some scoring skills at 14. On the downside hes not a very good rebounder, defense will probably be a concern, like you said hes not really a physical player (not to say he is intimidated by physicality but hes not a guy who's going to be initiating the contact), his left hand is pretty bad (and Mullin LOVES left handed guys so a guy who can't use his left at all is probably a turn-off). Maybe Big Z is a good comparison, maybe Nenad Krstic (pre-injury). If he does become like one of those guys that's a pretty nice pick at 14 in a crappy draft. I do like Donte Greene better and here's why (and I know you'll disagree here CR2 because to this point in his young career he is mostly a jumpshooter): He's 6'8.25 w/o shoes, has legit mobility and athleticism of a SF, has small forward skills from day one, and he actually outproduced most of the prospects in this draft as a freshman in the Big East. FG% is a concern and he did have very poor shot selection but I think a lot of that comes from being the #1 option at Syracuse which is a bit overwhelming for a freshman. That being said, he averaged 17.7 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 2 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.6 bpg as a 19/20 year old freshman. Those are fantastic all around numbers for a freshman. His jumpshot is streaky but will surely get better with time. He showed nice ability to hit the pull-up jumper out of the triple threat position (Jim Barnett/Stack Jack specialty), hit some tough fading mid-range jumpshots and managed to gain separation on his jumpshots a la Jason Richardson. Also similar to Richardson, he didn't drive to the rim consistently. His handle is good for a 6'9 Fr. but will still need work to get where it needs to be for a wing player in the NBA (it is adequate right now though). Hes not a freak athlete but hes solid and extremely smooth and fluid, runs the break very well and converts a lot of alley-oops. At 6'9 with legit SF skills and an NBA body form day one I think he can contribute in the Pietrus/Barnes role for Nellie as a SF/PF who runs the break, stands around the 3 pt line, and mixes it up on the boards. As he develops though he'll become a more formidable scorer and a great fit for the future alongside Monta and BWright. I think he'll fit in with Nellie right away as well as with our young core down the line. Like I said, I can see him giving us some production in his rookie year in that Barnes/Pietrus role. Obviously Nellie has the reputation for not liking rookies but this is a guy who's got the body (6'9 221 lbs), can shoot it, run and finish on the break. If he shows some hunger and hits the boards and plays a nice all around game like he had at Syracuse I think he'll definitely earn himself some playing time at some point. I think his FG% won't be much of a problem his first few years when he's mostly going to be taking high % shots created for him by Monta, Baron, Jack, etc. After Nellie leaves, we'll still have a nice big SF who can give us some outside shooting and all-around game to compliment Monta and BWright. To me, Donte Greene is a top 5 type talent in this draft. If he stayed at Syracuse there's a good chance he'd be a top 8 pick next year and to be honest I don't really get why people are down on him this year. I mean shot selection is his only glaring weakness and even that is understandable considering he was a freshman at a big time school expected to be the #1 option.
Donte Green definitely has some upside because of his athleticism and his scoring moves. I'm just not sold on his body or ability to create offense other than throwing up prayers. He's 6'9 and in between positions, and isn't quick moving laterally against small forwards. At bigger positions he won't cut it if his wingspan is 6'10 and he's only 6'9 with shoes. I believe the longer, quicker dude will stuff or alter any shot Green puts up which will cause all kinds of insanely bad shot selections. I kind of believe this guy won't be a power forward and if he plays small forward, he'll have to improve his ballhandling and lateral quickness speed to create against ex-college's best defenders and to actually play D against ex-college's best scorers at the 3/4 mismatch. The one thing you can't say about Ellis, Biedrins, Sjax, or Wright is that they suck moving side to side and they have short arms relative to most nba players at their size. Those 4 guys are all dang quick (and same with Baron unless you make him guard Tony Parker). The positive thing about Green is that he's kind of got a Rashard Lewis with shotblocking thing going on there which is a good and bad thing. Good because Lewis is a walking mismatch who can shoot over lots of players and he can create his own shot with his quickness. Everyone could use a 3 point guy that could shoot over smaller players. The bad is he's poor on defense and it's hard to tell what positions he'll have to guard full time. Lewis is way overrated because of what he's paid to do. A max guy should play both ends of the floor and god forbid Green turns into this guy wanting superstar money while playing subpar defense who doesn't drive to the hole like Ellis or pass like Baron. I sure hope they are different. I really think Kofous could help us out a lot better defensively at positions we need like center and could contribute to scoring in some way where we don't have to rely on a point guard all the time. Kofous doesn't have to move very far to play center and he's an okay shotblocker. Plus, he can stretch defenses with his shot skills. Kofous would need time in the nba to gain confidence as he dominates against younger players, but in his freshman year he was a boy amongst older college players. Kofous does have the one thing you can't teach which is size, okay quickness, and his finesse. Plus, lots of scouts say there is a huge potential for this guy to develop a post game and a great passing game. Right now (at collegiate level) he's had some issues with initiating offense down in the post and trying to get the ball out of the outlet once it's in. I still got to say Kofous is the man and if we're going small forward, take somebody safer like a swingman like Ricky Davis, Mike Miller, or a Joe Johnson type where you get pass, shot, dribble, rebounding or defense ability all in one package. That's kind of why I like Sjax and am extremely pleased on his role on the Warriors. I don't like 3/4 mismatches unless it's a defensive guy like a Shawn Marion/Gerald Wallace type. Mismatches point both ways unless the guy is so good offensively (as in scoring and passing and creating) that his defense doesn't matter that much. Take for example guys like Steve Nash or somebody that sucks defensively, but they just make everyone else around them better and they get to the foul line constantly so that it softens up the opposing defense. Kofous with age could be worth it to us in so many ways and we need the anchor in the paint when Biedrins is too light for center. In fact Kofous at center on defense, with Biedrins at power forward seems kind of nice. Then Kofous could bomb from outside while Biedrins plays inside against power forwards. If they switch the power forward out on Kofous, then Kofous could post them up from midrange and shoot right over since he's 7'1. Kofous has the high basketball IQ. However, I wouldn't write off Green just yet. He's got a lot of moves similar to Melo when he's not taking 7 3 point attempts a game. His footwork is really nice when he's trying to work the mid post. I mainly concerned about defense. I just don't think he plays it, but his saving grace is he's a tremendous collegiate shotblocker for such a short armed guy. He might have a chance to be one of the better prospects.
