I hope you know, no team will take KVH, other then the Nets. He is just a waste of space, so stop including him. I know you do it because of salary, but no team will take him. Also, as stupid as PJax maybe, he won't trade the number 1 pick for Brand, who is coming of a major injury. Also, Swift has very little trade value as well. To add, Harris is the future PG. Adding Rose would be nice, but I don't know how well he'll work with Frank.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 9 2008, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hope you know, no team will take KVH, other then the Nets. He is just a waste of space, so stop including him. I know you do it because of salary, but no team will take him. Also, as stupid as PJax maybe, he won't trade the number 1 pick for Brand, who is coming of a major injury. Also, Swift has very little trade value as well. To add, Harris is the future PG. Adding Rose would be nice, but I don't know how well he'll work with Frank.</div> Lets take this slow. How many years does KVH have on his contract? What does that make him? PJax != Paxson.
You're totally right! What kind of team wants capspace to work with? Not the knicks! Look at how well that turned out!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 9 2008, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hope you know, no team will take KVH, other then the Nets. He is just a waste of space, so stop including him. I know you do it because of salary, but no team will take him. Also, as stupid as PJax maybe, he won't trade the number 1 pick for Brand, who is coming of a major injury. Also, Swift has very little trade value as well.</div> What are you talking about? I believe NI said that as of July 1, KVH's contract has a $4.7M trade value and the Nets will pay his buyout. Teams will be lining up to get that contract to get under the luxury tax. Swift's $6M expiring deal has very little trade value? What NBA are you following?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 10 2008, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 9 2008, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hope you know, no team will take KVH, other then the Nets. He is just a waste of space, so stop including him. I know you do it because of salary, but no team will take him. Also, as stupid as PJax maybe, he won't trade the number 1 pick for Brand, who is coming of a major injury. Also, Swift has very little trade value as well.</div> What are you talking about? I believe NI said that as of July 1, KVH's contract has a $4.7M trade value and the Nets will pay his buyout. Teams will be lining up to get that contract to get under the luxury tax. Swift's $6M expiring deal has very little trade value? What NBA are you following? </div> Yeah, to add to that...this is the NBA, where a buttcrack player like Kwame Brown gets traded for a 20 and 10 all-star because he's an expiring contract.
I agree, Swift would be a good pickup for any team. Not only does his 6 mil come off your books at the end of the season, but this being his contract year he'll be motivated and when Swift is motivated to play he's not that bad...even helpful. As long as the team that gets him realizes that if he does put up good numbers it was all for a new fet free agency contract. Enjoy his one year of helpful productivity and cut him loss and reep the benefits of 6 mil in cap space
we have KVH expiring, swifts expiring... and throw in a S&T krstic... that is a pretty solid offer... and add jefferson to that we can get all star talent back or a #2 pick
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 9 2008, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yea, but this idea that he's worth something in a trade that brings in the number 1 pick is crazy.</div> As some others noted, KVH's contract has a very high value. For next season it has a value of $4.7M, but it's not just an expiring contract. It has an early termination clause which the Nets got when they shipped out Kidd. There is a low amount of guaranteed money, several people assume it's around $500K. Thus, KVH's contract is not only expiring, it's an immediate saver of more than $4M. A team trades for his contract, exercises the ETC and around $4.2M comes off their books IMMEDIATELY.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 10 2008, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 9 2008, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yea, but this idea that he's worth something in a trade that brings in the number 1 pick is crazy.</div> As some others noted, KVH's contract has a very high value. For next season it has a value of $4.7M, but it's not just an expiring contract. It has an early termination clause which the Nets got when they shipped out Kidd. There is a low amount of guaranteed money, several people assume it's around $500K. Thus, KVH's contract is not only expiring, it's an immediate saver of more than $4M. A team trades for his contract, exercises the ETC and around $4.2M comes off their books IMMEDIATELY. </div> but what I think they're getting at is, should just 10 mil in combined exp. contracts and #10 & #21 be the focal points for getting the #1 pick? I don't think so. Chicago has plenty of other young pieces to deal and get inside help to go along with whomever they choose at #1. Getting Rose to play point and trading Hinrich, Tyrus, Nocioni, Gordon in any combination to get an inside scorer would benifit them more than anyone they would pick up at #10 & #21. If thier willing to add an additional young player in any trade they may be able to unload Hughes contract and keep Gordon instead
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 10 2008, 04:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 10 2008, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 9 2008, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yea, but this idea that he's worth something in a trade that brings in the number 1 pick is crazy.</div> As some others noted, KVH's contract has a very high value. For next season it has a value of $4.7M, but it's not just an expiring contract. It has an early termination clause which the Nets got when they shipped out Kidd. There is a low amount of guaranteed money, several people assume it's around $500K. Thus, KVH's contract is not only expiring, it's an immediate saver of more than $4M. A team trades for his contract, exercises the ETC and around $4.2M comes off their books IMMEDIATELY. </div> but what I think they're getting at is, should just 10 mil in combined exp. contracts and #10 & #21 be the focal points for getting the #1 pick? I don't think so. Chicago has plenty of other young pieces to deal and get inside help to go along with whomever they choose at #1. Getting Rose to play point and trading Hinrich, Tyrus, Nocioni, Gordon in any combination to get an inside scorer would benifit them more than anyone they would pick up at #10 & #21. If thier willing to add an additional young player in any trade they may be able to unload Hughes contract and keep Gordon instead </div>The problem, as I see it, is that no one will touch Hughes' contract with a stick unless there's either a (1) huge disparity in talent traded, as in, Bulls give much more talent than they get in return or (2) Bulls give up the pick to make the team stomach eating Hughes' contract. Remember, the Bulls organization is relatively cheap. I'm not saying they'll jump on this trade or any trade at all, but a trade such as KVH/Swift/Diop (or Nachbar) with #10 and #21 for #1 and Hughes is a VERY good trade for them. They get almost $13M in expiring contracts, with one of them being a pretty good player whom they can re-sign if they want (Diop/Nachbar), 2 picks that if combined, can probably get them their "original" draft position (8th or 9th), at the same time they completely wipe their hands of the Ben Wallace fiasco and have a solid, immediate future. I realize that some people expect Rose to become a franchise point. But he can also flop like Jay Williams. From the Bulls point of view, they can just say "We were supposed to be drafting 9th. So we'll draft 9th, but we will use the this piece of luck to get rid of a huge chunk of salary and gain another good player."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 10 2008, 04:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 10 2008, 04:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 10 2008, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 9 2008, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yea, but this idea that he's worth something in a trade that brings in the number 1 pick is crazy.</div> As some others noted, KVH's contract has a very high value. For next season it has a value of $4.7M, but it's not just an expiring contract. It has an early termination clause which the Nets got when they shipped out Kidd. There is a low amount of guaranteed money, several people assume it's around $500K. Thus, KVH's contract is not only expiring, it's an immediate saver of more than $4M. A team trades for his contract, exercises the ETC and around $4.2M comes off their books IMMEDIATELY. </div> but what I think they're getting at is, should just 10 mil in combined exp. contracts and #10 & #21 be the focal points for getting the #1 pick? I don't think so. Chicago has plenty of other young pieces to deal and get inside help to go along with whomever they choose at #1. Getting Rose to play point and trading Hinrich, Tyrus, Nocioni, Gordon in any combination to get an inside scorer would benifit them more than anyone they would pick up at #10 & #21. If thier willing to add an additional young player in any trade they may be able to unload Hughes contract and keep Gordon instead </div>The problem, as I see it, is that no one will touch Hughes' contract with a stick unless there's either a (1) huge disparity in talent traded, as in, Bulls give much more talent than they get in return or (2) Bulls give up the pick to make the team stomach eating Hughes' contract. Remember, the Bulls organization is relatively cheap. I'm not saying they'll jump on this trade or any trade at all, but a trade such as KVH/Swift/Diop (or Nachbar) with #10 and #21 for #1 and Hughes is a VERY good trade for them. They get almost $13M in expiring contracts, with one of them being a pretty good player whom they can re-sign if they want (Diop/Nachbar), 2 picks that if combined, can probably get them their "original" draft position (8th or 9th), at the same time they completely wipe their hands of the Ben Wallace fiasco and have a solid, immediate future. I realize that some people expect Rose to become a franchise point. But he can also flop like Jay Williams. From the Bulls point of view, they can just say "We were supposed to be drafting 9th. So we'll draft 9th, but we will use the this piece of luck to get rid of a huge chunk of salary and gain another good player." </div> Jay Williams didn't flop, he was injured in an accident.
You guys are also forgetting the original trade. Clips got the expiring contracts from us and Brand goes to the Bulls. But Brand is also an expiring contract. So basically the Bulls give up the #1 and Larry Hughes' albatross contract for a 20-10 low post scorer who has an expiring contract in case he doesn't play up to expectations. I personally find this lineup pretty scary in the top heavy east: PG: Hinrich/Duhon (maybe, Duhon is an FA i have no idea what chicago wants to do with him) SG: Gordon/??? SF: Deng/Nocioni PF: Brand/Thomas/Noah C: Noah/Brand They have some weak spots to shore up but I have assumed nothing about other signings, etc. That is a scary team though even without many additions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jun 9 2008, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheMo @ Jun 9 2008, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (logik15 @ Jun 9 2008, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>this sitll doesn't solve our big man problem... we're just giving up assets for another PG. we need a big man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we had jkidd on our team and it didn't work out... what makes u think rose can make us any better without a big man</div> Listen Kidd is a lock for the HOF but at this point in his career he really wasn't able to put ridiculous pressure on the defense every play. Rose has the athleticism to put way more pressure on the defense at least from a scoring perspective than Kidd could dream of at this point in his career. I think Rose would give us a chance to thrive with e new Big Three though I would gladly trade RJ or VC to balance the roster and get a stud PF or C. With this trade we still have young pieces to offer a team if there is a elite big man available that we want to add. </div> Unfortunately the picks needed to package with VC or RJ to get The Big Man were traded away to get Rose. So enjoy a threesome of Rose, VC and RJ...because that's it. No SG to back up Vince, and no replacement for Krstic/Diop should one leave this summer. </div> Hughes is an SG... albeit not a great one but enough to back up VC. Plays solid D and will put up some points nothing special. Boone/SWAT are still here and I assume we will keep one of our FA big guys. Then maybe sign Pietrus or some second tier player and that's a solid front court rotation. Just my two cents.
This trade makes no sense for the Nets. I'd rather they just trade for Brand - and even that is pointless if they include Harris. That package for Beasley is just absurd. And why not deal with Miami, since the Bulls are taking Rose anyway?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrooklynBound @ Jun 10 2008, 06:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 10 2008, 04:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 10 2008, 04:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 10 2008, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 9 2008, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yea, but this idea that he's worth something in a trade that brings in the number 1 pick is crazy.</div> As some others noted, KVH's contract has a very high value. For next season it has a value of $4.7M, but it's not just an expiring contract. It has an early termination clause which the Nets got when they shipped out Kidd. There is a low amount of guaranteed money, several people assume it's around $500K. Thus, KVH's contract is not only expiring, it's an immediate saver of more than $4M. A team trades for his contract, exercises the ETC and around $4.2M comes off their books IMMEDIATELY. </div> but what I think they're getting at is, should just 10 mil in combined exp. contracts and #10 & #21 be the focal points for getting the #1 pick? I don't think so. Chicago has plenty of other young pieces to deal and get inside help to go along with whomever they choose at #1. Getting Rose to play point and trading Hinrich, Tyrus, Nocioni, Gordon in any combination to get an inside scorer would benifit them more than anyone they would pick up at #10 & #21. If thier willing to add an additional young player in any trade they may be able to unload Hughes contract and keep Gordon instead </div>The problem, as I see it, is that no one will touch Hughes' contract with a stick unless there's either a (1) huge disparity in talent traded, as in, Bulls give much more talent than they get in return or (2) Bulls give up the pick to make the team stomach eating Hughes' contract. Remember, the Bulls organization is relatively cheap. I'm not saying they'll jump on this trade or any trade at all, but a trade such as KVH/Swift/Diop (or Nachbar) with #10 and #21 for #1 and Hughes is a VERY good trade for them. They get almost $13M in expiring contracts, with one of them being a pretty good player whom they can re-sign if they want (Diop/Nachbar), 2 picks that if combined, can probably get them their "original" draft position (8th or 9th), at the same time they completely wipe their hands of the Ben Wallace fiasco and have a solid, immediate future. I realize that some people expect Rose to become a franchise point. But he can also flop like Jay Williams. From the Bulls point of view, they can just say "We were supposed to be drafting 9th. So we'll draft 9th, but we will use the this piece of luck to get rid of a huge chunk of salary and gain another good player." </div> Jay Williams didn't flop, he was injured in an accident. </div> I agree, you shouldn't use Jay Williams in the context of flop. he was injured before playing thus never getting a chance to prove his worth. True, that it's a tough break for Chicago, but it's not fair to compare Rose to someone who didn't even play. As long as Rose stays off the bikes that is...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheMo @ Jun 10 2008, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jun 9 2008, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheMo @ Jun 9 2008, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (logik15 @ Jun 9 2008, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>this sitll doesn't solve our big man problem... we're just giving up assets for another PG. we need a big man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we had jkidd on our team and it didn't work out... what makes u think rose can make us any better without a big man</div> Listen Kidd is a lock for the HOF but at this point in his career he really wasn't able to put ridiculous pressure on the defense every play. Rose has the athleticism to put way more pressure on the defense at least from a scoring perspective than Kidd could dream of at this point in his career. I think Rose would give us a chance to thrive with e new Big Three though I would gladly trade RJ or VC to balance the roster and get a stud PF or C. With this trade we still have young pieces to offer a team if there is a elite big man available that we want to add. </div> Unfortunately the picks needed to package with VC or RJ to get The Big Man were traded away to get Rose. So enjoy a threesome of Rose, VC and RJ...because that's it. No SG to back up Vince, and no replacement for Krstic/Diop should one leave this summer. </div> Hughes is an SG... albeit not a great one but enough to back up VC. Plays solid D and will put up some points nothing special. Boone/SWAT are still here and I assume we will keep one of our FA big guys. Then maybe sign Pietrus or some second tier player and that's a solid front court rotation. Just my two cents. </div> So your saying your willing to pick up a player who is just good enough to be a backup and is "nothing special" at 13 mil a year for the next 3 years?!?!?....no thank you!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 10 2008, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This trade makes no sense for the Nets. I'd rather they just trade for Brand - and even that is pointless if they include Harris. That package for Beasley is just absurd. And why not deal with Miami, since the Bulls are taking Rose anyway?</div> It's a trade for Rose ghoti... though I don't know if you like him more than Beasley. I think he is a franchise player.
