<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Jun 11 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll never believe what Phil says, he's the biggest lier, whiner, bulls*itter in the history of the game. He had luck with having the best player ever, the GOAT in Jordan, and then the second best ever, in Kobe, together with Shaq, and thats how he won those championships.</div> You think no skill was involved? A Pats fan reprimanding a coach. Nice!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Jun 11 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll never believe what Phil says, he's the biggest lier, whiner, bulls*itter in the history of the game. He had luck with having the best player ever, the GOAT in Jordan, and then the second best ever, in Kobe, together with Shaq, and thats how he won those championships.</div> Hate to break it to you, but he's more respected than Red since he's more relevant to the modern era of basketball. And they both had great players.
I know Phil has been blessed with Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe..but to discredit him is an absolute joke. Laker fans starting to get under your skin?
Phil had the best player ever known to mankind as well as the soon to be second best player. (well to me he is the second best ever) What Red had, doesn't even come close to what Phil had. And thats without even including Shaq and Pippen.
Ramsey, Cousy, Sharman, Heinsohn, Russell, K. C. Jones, Havlicek, Sam Jones and Bailey Howell. That's who he had. Defense wins championships. He had the Best defensive player ever.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Jun 11 2008, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Phil had the best player ever known to mankind as well as the soon to be second best player. (well to me he is the second best ever) What Red had, doesn't even come close to what Phil had. And thats without even including Shaq and Pippen.</div> Red played in a nine team league with multiple hall of famers. What was it, 7?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jun 11 2008, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Laker fans starting to get under your skin?</div> Never.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ Jun 11 2008, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>9, huevon.</div> Haha, thanks man.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Jun 11 2008, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Phil had the best player ever known to mankind as well as the soon to be second best player. (well to me he is the second best ever) What Red had, doesn't even come close to what Phil had. And thats without even including Shaq and Pippen.</div> C'mon now, this comment is just ridiculous. Even those players considered "the greatest" need help around them too. Basketball is a team game after all, from the Coach, right down to the guys on the bench, it takes a team effort to win.
I don't think there's a guarantee that Kobe become the player he is today without Jackson's coaching.
So... has anyone actually seen tapes or looked at the stats of those "Hall of Famers"? Pretty much the only reason they got into HoF was because they were a part of that legendary franchise. Those Celtic teams had 2 great players: Bill Russell and Bob Cousy. Also, you can't dismiss the fact that the first championship team had only 1 thing in common with the last one: Bill Russell, a very AGING Bill Russell. CK, downplaying Phil Jackson is just dumb. Players win titles when they play for him. Maybe he's not the greatest X's and O's guy, but as a motivator and a COACH (not a strategist), he's one of the absolute best. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Hate to break it to you, but he's more respected than Red since he's more relevant to the modern era of basketball. And they both had great players.</div>HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. That was funny. Phil Jackson will need 2 more threepeats to be successfully compared to Red the COACH. In terms of overall accomplishments, there will NEVER be anyone who can even be mentioned in the same sentence as him. Seriously, read Red's wiki profile.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 12 2008, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So... has anyone actually seen tapes or looked at the stats of those "Hall of Famers"? Pretty much the only reason they got into HoF was because they were a part of that legendary franchise. Those Celtic teams had 2 great players: Bill Russell and Bob Cousy. Also, you can't dismiss the fact that the first championship team had only 1 thing in common with the last one: Bill Russell, a very AGING Bill Russell. CK, downplaying Phil Jackson is just dumb. Players win titles when they play for him. Maybe he's not the greatest X's and O's guy, but as a motivator and a COACH (not a strategist), he's one of the absolute best. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Hate to break it to you, but he's more respected than Red since he's more relevant to the modern era of basketball. And they both had great players.</div>HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. That was funny. Phil Jackson will need 2 more threepeats to be successfully compared to Red the COACH. In terms of overall accomplishments, there will NEVER be anyone who can even be mentioned in the same sentence as him. Seriously, read Red's wiki profile. </div> Ew, what a lame diss. I have no idea what you're talking about, he's already compared to Red now, whether you agree with it or not. That's the point of my statement ("Hate to break it to you"). Because of the era he coached in, people will probably remember Phil more. It has to do with Media exposure. As for Championships, I'm not that impressed by Red having to win 12 playoff games in a 8-14 team league.
Red is such a great coach, that the Celtics won twice without him in 68/69 after he retired (using a certain player/coach in those other years)... :]
This thread is about the 2002 WC Finals, not who is a greater coach Red vs. PJax. It's easy to make another thread about that if it's going to take up 20 posts.
Nice to see that David Stern is finally taking these allegations seriously. He must have realized that his dictatorship doesn't reach out past the realm of the NBA.
He needs to resign from his position, and they need to change it to something where the GMs would vote for the commissioner every 4 or 8 years max.
Just fire all the refs, hire new ones, and dont pay them as much as the last ones. Honestly, they are replaceable.
