In D'Alesando's blog today he mentions Milwaukee trying to get rid of Redd. Think we could have a shot? Seems like their only needs are SF, SG depth and veteran leadership. You have Yi, Villanueva and Bogut at the 4&5 and Williams & Sessions at 1. Think RJ, Swift, KVH and #10 for Redd and Bell could work? They can draft SG at #9 or #10. They get immediate salary savings and long term because RJ makes less than Redd and we'd be taking Bell. Harris/Redd/Carter/Boone/Krstic/Sean/Bell Not a bad start. Still need a more reliable big, but the shooting issues would improve drastically.
i like this trade... except if we give up RJ i think they shoudl take our 21 pick instead of our #10, since they want to get rid of him anyway. we save the 10 i suppose to draft a big man or get someone like millsap Harris / Redd / Carter / Millsap / Boone
Isn't that a bit too much to give up for Mike Miller? He's a good shooter and excellent 6th man but not much more. Redd is miles ahead of him, and that's a great trade proposal on the Nets' end. Not sure the Bucks would like it too much, since they would be going sideways. They have their own lottery pick, they don't need another one if it means giving up Redd for RJ.
that is too much for Mike Miller. It all depends if they're willing to give him up and how much they want for him. bah, can't think now, in a rush. I just don't like Redd's contract, which is why I'd rather have Miller instead.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Isn't that a bit too much to give up for Mike Miller? He's a good shooter and excellent 6th man but not much more. Redd is miles ahead of him, and that's a great trade proposal on the Nets' end. Not sure the Bucks would like it too much, since they would be going sideways. They have their own lottery pick, they don't need another one if it means giving up Redd for RJ.</div> For the Bucks they get a veteran guy who is still young and can help lead a young group and get a pick and salary relief. They are a small market team that always needs some relief. They still need to shed more bad contracts like Simmons and Gadzuric, but at least they'd get some savings in Redd and Bell. And gain a Top 10 pick. They're a team on the fence they are either going to blow it up and go young with those bad contracts eating up the cap space until the youngsters are developed or they are going to spend more money filling out the roster around Redd. I see them doing the semi blow it up scenario.
If they're trying to get rid of bad contracts, trading for RJ isn't a very good idea. I think if they trade Redd, it means they're going into full blown rebuilding mode. They won't trade him for anything less than a talented youngster or two, a pick + salary cap relief. We give them salary cap relief in the form of KVH and Swift, but RJ's contract is the trade killer here.
He still has like 51$ mill left in his contract.... and I dont think he is worth that much.. No thanks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they're trying to get rid of bad contracts, trading for RJ isn't a very good idea. I think if they trade Redd, it means they're going into full blown rebuilding mode. They won't trade him for anything less than a talented youngster or two, a pick + salary cap relief. We give them salary cap relief in the form of KVH and Swift, but RJ's contract is the trade killer here.</div> Could be. Only other way is a 3-way that gets them another expiring and some other team takes RJ. How about this: Nets out: RJ KVH #21 Nets in: Redd Bell Portland out: LaFrentz Webster #13 Portland in: Jefferson Milwaukee out: Redd Bell Milwaukee in: Lafrentz Webster NJN #21 Port #13
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Isn't that a bit too much to give up for Mike Miller? He's a good shooter and excellent 6th man but not much more. Redd is miles ahead of him, and that's a great trade proposal on the Nets' end. Not sure the Bucks would like it too much, since they would be going sideways. They have their own lottery pick, they don't need another one if it means giving up Redd for RJ.</div> ummm...by comparison Miller gets 2.5 more boards and shots better from the floor (.50% to Redd's .44%) and is more accurate from 3 pt land (.43% to Redd's .36%) All Redd did better was score 6 more points and shot better from the FT line (.82% to Miller's .77%) Doesn't look like Redd is miles ahead of Miller to me. And on top of that you have Redd's contract to consider. I'd go for Miller
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Jun 11 2008, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He still has like 51$ mill left in his contract.... and I dont think he is worth that much.. No thanks.</div> He makes $2 to $3mm more than Jefferson per year. Both deals expire at the same time. Would I pay an extra $2 to $3mm to Jefferson if he shot as good as Redd? Hell yeah. And he's 28. The guy is leathal if you leave him open. Between him, Carter and Harris our bigs may actually have some room to operate. It's not the best deal in the world, but we need to improve our shooting and post play. If we can't get Mike Miller or Brand this is possibly the best thing we can do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 11 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Isn't that a bit too much to give up for Mike Miller? He's a good shooter and excellent 6th man but not much more. Redd is miles ahead of him, and that's a great trade proposal on the Nets' end. Not sure the Bucks would like it too much, since they would be going sideways. They have their own lottery pick, they don't need another one if it means giving up Redd for RJ.</div> ummm...by comparison Miller gets 2.5 more boards and shots better from the floor (.50% to Redd's .44%) and is more accurate from 3 pt land (.43% to Redd's .36%) All Redd did better was score 6 more points and shot better from the FT line (.82% to Miller's .77%) Doesn't look like Redd is lightyears ahead of Miller to me. And on top of that you have Redd's contract to consider. I'd go for Miller </div> Miller isn't being traded. Memphis is well under the cap and have plenty of youngsters. They don't need to do it. They are still feeling shafted from the Gasol deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 11 2008, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 11 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Isn't that a bit too much to give up for Mike Miller? He's a good shooter and excellent 6th man but not much more. Redd is miles ahead of him, and that's a great trade proposal on the Nets' end. Not sure the Bucks would like it too much, since they would be going sideways. They have their own lottery pick, they don't need another one if it means giving up Redd for RJ.</div> ummm...by comparison Miller gets 2.5 more boards and shots better from the floor (.50% to Redd's .44%) and is more accurate from 3 pt land (.43% to Redd's .36%) All Redd did better was score 6 more points and shot better from the FT line (.82% to Miller's .77%) Doesn't look like Redd is lightyears ahead of Miller to me. And on top of that you have Redd's contract to consider. I'd go for Miller </div> Miller isn't being traded. Memphis is well under the cap and have plenty of youngsters. They don't need to do it. They are still feeling shafted from the Gasol deal. </div> I'm not saying he is, I was just giving feedback on a comment of Miller being a 6th man and being miles behind Redd
Stats aren't everything. Redd had an off year as well, so you can't just look at his stats this season and write him off. Redd's impact on a game is bigger than Miller's. You're right, he's not miles ahead of Miller, I went a bit too far. But he's still the better player and an all-star talent. I would rather have Redd and his large contract than Miller, though I would prefer Miller over RJ right now as well, to be fair. As for that 3 way trade, it looks great. All three teams fill a need and give up a fair amount. Nice work.
No to this trade. Rj and a pick? Hell no. Now i do agree that Redd would be 10x a better fit for us then RJ in theory but again he's a cap killer and correct me if i'm wrong but hasnt he been injury prone the last two years? If we trade RJ, it needs to be strictly for dumping his contract and giving us room to re-build unless we'r trading him for a legit superstar.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stats aren't everything. Redd had an off year as well, so you can't just look at his stats this season and write him off. Redd's impact on a game is bigger than Miller's. You're right, he's not miles ahead of Miller, I went a bit too far. But he's still the better player and an all-star talent. I would rather have Redd and his large contract than Miller, though I would prefer Miller over RJ right now as well, to be fair. As for that 3 way trade, it looks great. All three teams fill a need and give up a fair amount. Nice work.</div> True stats aren't everything...I was just doing that to show he's not miles ahead. If money wasn't an issue then I would rather have Redd. But in all honesty although he can score...that about all he does. He doesn't help you much in other catagories...ie; rebounds and defense
You're correct about the fact that scoring is his main and maybe only strength, but usually he does that better than Miller and Miller isn't a defensive ace himself.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're correct about the fact that scoring is his main and maybe only strength, but usually he does that better than Miller and Miller isn't a defensive ace himself.</div> Your right about that. So it seems we met a good middle ground in that Redd isn't miles ahead of Miller, but we would both rather have him on our team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jun 11 2008, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're correct about the fact that scoring is his main and maybe only strength, but usually he does that better than Miller and Miller isn't a defensive ace himself.</div> I think I would prefer Miller over Redd. True, neither of them are defensive stoppers but Miller is the better rebounder and he seems to be a smart player who can facilitate the offense. To me, Redd seems to be a black hole. Redd will always have higher point totals and the larger contract between the two but I think he will always be the best player on a bad team while Miller can be a great complimentary player on a good team.
