<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 12 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ Jun 12 2008, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 12 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ Jun 12 2008, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 12 2008, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 12 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yea, that one person could have saved the world from a nuclear war, and saved 6 billion people. But the chances are very unlikely and the 1 million dollars would help a lot of people in a 3rd world country. Anyway, Yinka_Dare are you against abortion under the same reasoning you use, that every aborted baby could save a million people?</div> To put the lives of people you know, or that have value, in danger, is savage imo. </div> we live in a savage and selfish world, there's no denying that. </div> Because of comments like that. </div> that's quite a vague comment... care to expand on it? also do you disagree with my comment? </div> I don't disagree, certainly Lava's mentality doesn't help imo. </div> ahh gotcha... honestly ignored his comment, was focusing on the savage nature implied. When you look at the things done daily around the world in the name of nothing or something, it's just sad to see how we have not evolved as much as some ppl would like to think.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jun 12 2008, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 11 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But what if you're an evangelical? If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; ... Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. -- Deuteronomy, Chapter 17:2-3,5 There is a good chance you are doing the work of God, as the odds are you are killing a non-Christian. Would you evangelicals do this if the odds are that you are following the Bible and killing perhaps a Muslim or Hindu?</div> First, your projected hated for other religions on evangelicals is probably a more accurate reflection of your hated for evangelicals. I think most Christians would say that the teaching of Jesus Christ in the New Testament supercede any instruction that comes from the Old Testament. I've never once heard a preacher teach that Christians should perform acts of violence in order to further the kingdom of God. Yes, evangelicals believe that Christ meant it when he said that no one would come to the father except through Him. How does believing that mean that evangelicals must hate people would observe other religions or no religion? It doesn't. Evangelical Christians are called to love others with the love of Jesus Christ with the hopes of converting them to the faith. Why? Because Evangelical Christians believe that people's lives are bettered by having a relationship with the God that loves them. You can agree or disagree. You can bring up examples of failed or misguided Christians that are an embarrassment to the faith. You can ridicule and belittle Evangelical Christians if you want. However, if you really hate Evangelical Christians so much that you promote falsehoods about them and treat them unfairly, you should check your liberal card. My understanding of liberals is that they believe in tolerance and diversity. Personally, I think liberals are full of crap because they are really only tolerant of viewpoints that match their own. </div> I wasn't meaning to go off on a diatribe. Just trying to give people different reasons to press the button! Although, I don't have a problem with exposing the hypocrisy of evangelicals. All of my evangelical friends are in support of the Iraq war because they think killing Muslims is good. I don't think killing innocent people because they are of a different faith is right. There is no reason for me to tolerate that. Also, if they believe on thing in the Bible is false, how can they trust that the rest of it is the truth? Have to love their hate towards Muslim <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ENC1E5XEnUA&hl=en"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ENC1E5XEnUA&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> I don't hate evangelicals, I just wish they would stop hating so much, and stop sinning so much, and get on the right path.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AEM @ Jun 12 2008, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Anyone want to discuss what the fundamental human right is?</div> The right to live...?
I would push that button without even considering the consequences. The guy wouldn't be able to propose the deal fast enough before I hit the button. The odds that the person is somebody that I don't know are so amazingly in my favor that I wouldn't even think about it at all. And I could easily convince myself that nobody really died when I hit the button because there would be no way to prove that somebody did. I'm 100% confident that it wouldn't haunt me for even a second. Now, if I had to actually kill somebody and watch them die, I'd have to think about it. I wouldn't really have an answer for that until the situation actually presented itself. Most likely, though, I wouldn't be able to go through with that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 12 2008, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 12 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 12 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 12 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well there would be a 99.99999% chance that it wouldn't be someone you knew. So I don't think you could realistically consider it someone you know. There is probably a much much greater chance of killing your loved ones by driving them somewhere, or going on a vacation with them, than pressing that button.</div> Should we kill millionaires to save people in third world countries too? Sounds like you're close to advocating such a thing. </div> Well if its between tens of thousands of people dying or 1 person dying, I would prefer the latter to happen. Sometimes killing to save thousands of lives can be worth it sure. If you were given the option to kill Hitler to save millions of Jews would you do it? </div> You're probably going to kill an average person, far from Hitler. And essentially for millions of dollars, so that would be the equivalent to killing an average person who owns millions of dollars, then trying to make yourself feel better by giving some of that income to other countries. It sounds completely disgusting to me, because it's almost as if you're trying to make it sound like you're a hero. So you're in fact in favor of eliminating millionaires? That sounds gross and horrific, to let this bad mentality spread would be harmful to our society. Now at least the other people that said yes aren't lying about their extremely selfish reasons. </div> Well first off you seem to not have understood what I said. It wouldn't be giving the money to a country, it would be to people are in desperate need of food and medical resources. And Basically lets look at this situation as, you have a button and if you don't press it then 10 000 people will starve/die of disease. If you press the button Rosie O'Donald will starve, however her money will be used to feed the 10 000 people and give them medical resources and improved quality of life.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 12 2008, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 12 2008, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 12 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 12 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 12 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well there would be a 99.99999% chance that it wouldn't be someone you knew. So I don't think you could realistically consider it someone you know. There is probably a much much greater chance of killing your loved ones by driving them somewhere, or going on a vacation with them, than pressing that button.</div> Should we kill millionaires to save people in third world countries too? Sounds like you're close to advocating such a thing. </div> Well if its between tens of thousands of people dying or 1 person dying, I would prefer the latter to happen. Sometimes killing to save thousands of lives can be worth it sure. If you were given the option to kill Hitler to save millions of Jews would you do it? </div> You're probably going to kill an average person, far from Hitler. And essentially for millions of dollars, so that would be the equivalent to killing an average person who owns millions of dollars, then trying to make yourself feel better by giving some of that income to other countries. It sounds completely disgusting to me, because it's almost as if you're trying to make it sound like you're a hero. So you're in fact in favor of eliminating millionaires? That sounds gross and horrific, to let this bad mentality spread would be harmful to our society. Now at least the other people that said yes aren't lying about their extremely selfish reasons. </div> Well first off you seem to not have understood what I said. It wouldn't be giving the money to a country, it would be to people are in desperate need of food and medical resources. And Basically lets look at this situation as, you have a button and if you don't press it then 10 000 people will starve/die of disease. If you press the button Rosie O'Donald will starve, however her money will be used to feed the 10 000 people and give them medical resources and improved quality of life. </div> Rich people donate to charity all the time, and Starving is about more than providing food for a couple of months. Rosie O'Donald is an unsavory character and many people here don't like her. The chances you actually know the average person you will kill is unlikely. I'm done talking about this, do what you want, it is a sick precedent to create imo.
10 million dollars easy feeds a thousand people for much longer than a couple of months. I think you'd be looking closer to 20-40 years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 12 2008, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>10 million dollars easy feeds a thousand people for much longer than a couple of months. I think you'd be looking closer to 20-40 years.</div> I was thinking on a more massive scale, but you're correct. No point in arguing morals though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jun 12 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jun 11 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> Who are you to say what is just though? Morality is a subjective concept that's dictated by a person's upbringing, not a universal truth. Anyway, don't act so shocked that people would push the button, because I'm sure that a large percentage, maybe even a majority, of our nation who would push the button. Just look at all of our soldiers killing people in Iraq for the paycheck.</div> This is a cheap shot at our soldiers and it's disgusting. Our soldiers are putting themselves in harm's way constantly and they are just out killing people? That's against military law and they can be arrested and go to jail if they kill someone and the military deems that it wasn't in the line of duty. For the paycheck? That may be the stupidest thing that I have ever read on any forum. Yeah, our soldiers are really making a ton of money. Have you ever seen the number of trailer parks that are in the vacinity of our nation's military bases? They pop up because of ALL THE MONEY that our soldiers are making. </div> While I agree with your post in its entirety (about the soldiers), I think you misunderstood voodoo child's intent. A soldier does push a button (well, pull a trigger) knowing it could very well kill some random person he doesn't know, and it isn't for $10M. Of course it's not the soldiers' objective to go about killing random people due to lack of morality or for the thrill of it. I think it's also true that more than half the people in the country would push the button to execute a Jeffrey Dahmer type murderer. I know I wouldn't have a 2nd thought about doing it, nor regret, nor a guilty conscience.
Are we talking about Jeffrey Dahmer before or after his spiritual awakening. As far as the troops, they have it rough. People they think are just normal civilians (and may have acted like normal civilians one day) could be shooting at them the next. They are in a tough position, where it is easy to take innocent lives. It is hard to blame them, the person putting them in places where they shouldn't be fighting deserves the majority of the blame. Although those soldiers who tease the Iraqi kids with water, and throw puppies off cliffs are scum.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale @ Jun 12 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 11 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But what if you're an evangelical? If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; ... Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. -- Deuteronomy, Chapter 17:2-3,5 There is a good chance you are doing the work of God, as the odds are you are killing a non-Christian. Would you evangelicals do this if the odds are that you are following the Bible and killing perhaps a Muslim or Hindu?</div> First, your projected hated for other religions on evangelicals is probably a more accurate reflection of your hated for evangelicals. I think most Christians would say that the teaching of Jesus Christ in the New Testament supercede any instruction that comes from the Old Testament. I've never once heard a preacher teach that Christians should perform acts of violence in order to further the kingdom of God. Yes, evangelicals believe that Christ meant it when he said that no one would come to the father except through Him. How does believing that mean that evangelicals must hate people would observe other religions or no religion? It doesn't. Evangelical Christians are called to love others with the love of Jesus Christ with the hopes of converting them to the faith. Why? Because Evangelical Christians believe that people's lives are bettered by having a relationship with the God that loves them. You can agree or disagree. You can bring up examples of failed or misguided Christians that are an embarrassment to the faith. You can ridicule and belittle Evangelical Christians if you want. However, if you really hate Evangelical Christians so much that you promote falsehoods about them and treat them unfairly, you should check your liberal card. My understanding of liberals is that they believe in tolerance and diversity. Personally, I think liberals are full of crap because they are really only tolerant of viewpoints that match their own. </div> My biggest gripe with the Unitarian Universalist church (who are liberals for those who don't know)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Jun 12 2008, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This sounds like Death Note!!!!! (Cue in MNFL for the comedy)</div> Sorry, I lost your photobucket.
Wow, way to read way in between the lines everyone. (Well, some of you). Hell yea I'm pushing the button. It's 10 million dollars and no legal reaction. If I'm not told who I killed, and who the family is, I'm good. So for me, I'm seriously saying yes to pushing the button. I don't know what religion has to do with anything here. Morals as Chingy has, doesn't mean he has to believe in religion. It's do you want 10 mill or not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 12 2008, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's do you want 10 mill or not.</div> fire in the hole!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 12 2008, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's do you want 10 mill or not.</div> I think if I have a nice 60-100 K a year job, I don't need 10 million dollars (my very realistic plan). And even if I did, it would be a "not".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 13 2008, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 12 2008, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's do you want 10 mill or not.</div> I think if I have a nice 60-100 K a year job, I don't need 10 million dollars (my very realistic plan). And even if I did, it would be a "not". </div> I wouldn't mind taking both my friend.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Jun 12 2008, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 13 2008, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 12 2008, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's do you want 10 mill or not.</div> I think if I have a nice 60-100 K a year job, I don't need 10 million dollars (my very realistic plan). And even if I did, it would be a "not". </div> I wouldn't mind taking both my friend. </div> I would argue how happy that amount of money would make you anyway... And I think it would eventually eat at most of you in spite of what you say. Of course these are all pointlessly long arguments to have, so I shouldn't have even posted in this thread to be honest. Lol man, you're still cool.
Just the interest off of 10 mill @ 4% would be $400 000, you wouldn't even have to touch the 10 mill, and could spend off of the interest earned.
