I swear with these articles you'd think that they already have him in the bag. The have the #6 pick for pete's sake...I seriously doubt that he will drop to #6. if Miami doesn't draft Mayo, Minnesota or Seattle probably will. They get so hyped over a player that they won't get unless they trade up ...but to who? Miami?...no, if Miami trades out of position for Beasley they want to get Mayo, not trade out of both. Minnesota? Although it might not be out of the question I would hate that idea. to make it work it would be after the Grizz' pick to see who they take. If Memphis doesn't pick up Lopez then maybe Minnesota will trade over draft rights for Mayo in exchange for the Knicks picking Lopez to move him to Minny along with an assorment of young talent and future picks. (ie; Nate Robinson & Lee and future 1st Rounder). Outside of a crazy scenerio like that, I just don't see Mayo in New York Link #1: http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=422807 Link #2: http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=422774
there's always hope man!!! just gotta pray!!! hahah' I don't see it happening also, but I have him in my avy wit the knicks, because, well...I can dream right? lol
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JUNIOR MINT @ Jun 13 2008, 03:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>there's always hope man!!! just gotta pray!!! hahah' I don't see it happening also, but I have him in my avy wit the knicks, because, well...I can dream right? lol</div> lol....true, true. I could see him basking in the New York spotlight, but yeah. it's a long shot that he drops. Now me being a Minnesota fan, what do you think of a trade scenerio between Minnesota and New York on draft day. along the line of what I propsed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jun 13 2008, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>more like "New York Writer doesn't know what the hell he's talking about".</div> I know, right!!! lol He was just talkin' outta his ass.
only thing that it could be is a trade...but if the papers knew anything...it would be out by now...they all want to be the first to break the news of a possible trade
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 13 2008, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JUNIOR MINT @ Jun 13 2008, 03:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>there's always hope man!!! just gotta pray!!! hahah' I don't see it happening also, but I have him in my avy wit the knicks, because, well...I can dream right? lol</div> lol....true, true. I could see him basking in the New York spotlight, but yeah. it's a long shot that he drops. Now me being a Minnesota fan, what do you think of a trade scenerio between Minnesota and New York on draft day. along the line of what I propsed. </div> What type of one-sided trade is that? The Knicks give up Lee, Robinson, and a future first rounder to move up three spots to take OJ Mayo, a player who isn't guaranteed to have a career better than Eric Gordon? Awful trade for the Knicks. Not only do Robinson and Lee fit well in D'Antoni's system, but they are also young, cheap talent. Considering we have given up our past two lottery picks, the Knicks cannot afford to give up anymore young talent, unless it's for a sure thing. Not to mention we have to throw in a future first. That will absolutely cripple the Knicks, especially if Mayo doesn't live up to the enormous hype.
OJ Mayo could be there at 6, but like Mr. J said, Eric Gordon could also be there, and he's one hell of a consolation prize.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jun 13 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OJ Mayo could be there at 6, but like Mr. J said, Eric Gordon could also be there, and he's one hell of a consolation prize.</div> That he is, but remeber it's not just the fact that New York likes Mayo, but so does Miami...they could turn around and swing a deal for Beasley. The big difference that Mayo holds over Gordon is that he plays better D, is a better passer who gets his team mates involved which in turn makes him able to swing over and play point...which is a big plus But I don't see Mayo making it past Minnesota and Seattle. Seattle needs a point as well, and Mayo is a better PG prospect than Bayless IMO
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 13 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jun 13 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OJ Mayo could be there at 6, but like Mr. J said, Eric Gordon could also be there, and he's one hell of a consolation prize.</div> That he is, but remeber it's not just the fact that New York likes Mayo, but so does Miami...they could turn around and swing a deal for Beasley. The big difference that Mayo holds over Gordon is that he plays better D, is a better passer who gets his team mates involved which in turn makes him able to swing over and play point...which is a big plus But I don't see Mayo making it past Minnesota and Seattle. Seattle needs a point as well, and Mayo is a better PG prospect than Bayless IMO </div> Mayo played better defense than Gordon last season, but Gordon is far from reaching his potential defensively. He is super athletic and has a 6'9 wingspan. Gordon can easily become a better defender on the next level. As for his ability to play PG, Mayo is better; but both are combo guards on the next level. Besides, Gordon's role in Indiana wasn't to play PG, but rather to be a full-time scorer. I don't think that's a big plus though. Gordon is more athletic than Mayo and doesn't have any baggage to bring to the table: off-attitude/off-court drama, etc. In terms of scoring, they both shot low from the field, but Gordon's FG% was much higher before he broke his wrist. You also have to compare their free throw attempts as well. Gordon got to the line 8.7 times per game, while Mayo got there 4.6 times. That's unacceptable for a player who plays 37 MPG and has such hyped scoring instincts. Those numbers show a whole lot of perimeter chucking (16 attempts for only 20 points). Regardless if it sounds outlandish, I honestly think Gordon > Mayo.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Jun 13 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 13 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jun 13 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OJ Mayo could be there at 6, but like Mr. J said, Eric Gordon could also be there, and he's one hell of a consolation prize.</div> That he is, but remeber it's not just the fact that New York likes Mayo, but so does Miami...they could turn around and swing a deal for Beasley. The big difference that Mayo holds over Gordon is that he plays better D, is a better passer who gets his team mates involved which in turn makes him able to swing over and play point...which is a big plus But I don't see Mayo making it past Minnesota and Seattle. Seattle needs a point as well, and Mayo is a better PG prospect than Bayless IMO </div> Gordon is more athletic than Mayo </div> What?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jun 13 2008, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Jun 13 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 13 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jun 13 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OJ Mayo could be there at 6, but like Mr. J said, Eric Gordon could also be there, and he's one hell of a consolation prize.</div> That he is, but remeber it's not just the fact that New York likes Mayo, but so does Miami...they could turn around and swing a deal for Beasley. The big difference that Mayo holds over Gordon is that he plays better D, is a better passer who gets his team mates involved which in turn makes him able to swing over and play point...which is a big plus But I don't see Mayo making it past Minnesota and Seattle. Seattle needs a point as well, and Mayo is a better PG prospect than Bayless IMO </div> Gordon is more athletic than Mayo </div> What? </div> Yes, he is: Gordon is stronger (6'3, 220 pounds) and quicker. Despite OJ's extra inch, Gordon more than makes up for it with a 6'9 wingspan. And despite what the combine might suggest, Gordon gets up higher than Mayo. Remember, it also said Sean May jumped higher than Monta Ellis.
Being athletic is more than who has the highest hops. And as for the FT attempts...between these two guys it doesn't hold much water. It has to do with the system in which they played. Gordon was given more freedom when it came to how to score. Gordon was allowed to get the ball and go and atake shots or drive when he felt it worked for him. Mayo was made into the team facilitator, his job was to take outside shots and not drive inside. In USC's system the inside scoring was delegated to the bigmen so Mayo did drive that much except on fast breaks. BTW, since when was Gordon ever considered a combo gaurd? He can't play point with his passing skills and poor passing lane judgement
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Jun 13 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon is more athletic than Mayo and doesn't have any baggage to bring to the table: off-attitude/off-court drama, etc.</div> Well except for the fact that Gordon mentally checked out when his Head Coach was fired. That is far worse than anything Mayo ever did. Then you have to add in his recruitment which was full of drama. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Regardless if it sounds outlandish, I honestly think Gordon > Mayo.</div> This will be hilarious to revisit down the road
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ Jun 14 2008, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordan has great upperbody strength to go along with great quickness.</div> That he does, but the claim that he is better than Mayo? And saying that Gordon is a combo gaurd capable of playing the point in the NBA? Ummmm....nah...He'll be a great SG, but I don't think any GM is confusing or comparing their versitility at playing both guard slots. Gordon lacks the passing ability and court vision that Mayo has. I have yet to hear any GM praise Gordon on his ability to play point for them. and cpwfan is right about the mental toughness issue. Which brings up another big issue. Even if Mayo had off-court issues (which with the exception of the recent money issue) The me first attitude he had in High school has pasts and above all that...Mayo seems to have the mental make up to not let off-court issues effect his play on it. Something Gordon has yet to show. I'm not saying Gordon isn't a stud, the kids gonna probably be a great SG down the road, but Mayo is gonna be something special...He has the drive to constantly get better even with all the hype through highschool and coming into college he refused to just rely on talent and worked on all aspects of his game to constantly get better. Coming out of highschool he was considered a liablity at defense and after hearing that he worked his ass of in the summer and ended up being one of the toughest defenders able to guard both SG and PG. That dedication to his game show that he not only has the willingness to get better, but the ability. I'd take Mayo over Gordon everytime!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 14 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Being athletic is more than who has the highest hops. And as for the FT attempts...between these two guys it doesn't hold much water. It has to do with the system in which they played. Gordon was given more freedom when it came to how to score. Gordon was allowed to get the ball and go and atake shots or drive when he felt it worked for him. Mayo was made into the team facilitator, his job was to take outside shots and not drive inside. In USC's system the inside scoring was delegated to the bigmen so Mayo did drive that much except on fast breaks. BTW, since when was Gordon ever considered a combo gaurd? He can't play point with his passing skills and poor passing lane judgement</div> I know; there was more to my argument than his vertical. I said Gordon is stronger, quicker, faster, and has a longer wingspan, in addition to being able to get up higher than Mayo. The only “advantage” Mayo has over Gordon is his height, but he’s only an inch taller. Mayo was given all the freedom in the world to create whatever shot he wanted. Saying he was looking to facilitate the offense is a cop-out, especially since Mayo himself said his job was to score points at USC. Even before he attended USC, he was criticized for floating out on the perimeter too much. Gordon is simply more aggressive getting to the rim, and has the type of body to absorb contact. Coming out of high school, Gordon was considered a combo-guard. He actually has decent courtvision and can play some minutes at point at the next level. He’s not as ready as OJ to play the point, but Mayo is also a year older than his class. Anyway, Mayo is far from being a great “facilitator”. What type of full-time PG has a A/T ratio below 1 and has logged a 10-turnover game to accompany his 4 points in 40 minutes of play?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 14 2008, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Jun 13 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon is more athletic than Mayo and doesn't have any baggage to bring to the table: off-attitude/off-court drama, etc.</div> Well except for the fact that Gordon mentally checked out when his Head Coach was fired. That is far worse than anything Mayo ever did. Then you have to add in his recruitment which was full of drama. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Regardless if it sounds outlandish, I honestly think Gordon > Mayo.</div> This will be hilarious to revisit down the road </div> I don't think it shows a lack of mental toughness. Adjusting to a new coach is usually tough on players, especially if it's a coach who made you change your decision to attend a school. Furthermore, Gordon's production slip can be attributed to his broken wrist. I don't understand why you say it's far worse than anything Mayo has ever done. Only time will tell who the better player will be.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Jun 14 2008, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 14 2008, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Jun 13 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon is more athletic than Mayo and doesn't have any baggage to bring to the table: off-attitude/off-court drama, etc.</div> Well except for the fact that Gordon mentally checked out when his Head Coach was fired. That is far worse than anything Mayo ever did. Then you have to add in his recruitment which was full of drama. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Regardless if it sounds outlandish, I honestly think Gordon > Mayo.</div> This will be hilarious to revisit down the road </div> I don't think it shows a lack of mental toughness. Adjusting to a new coach is usually tough on players, especially if it's a coach who made you change your decision to attend a school. Furthermore, Gordon's production slip can be attributed to his broken wrist. I don't understand why you say it's far worse than anything Mayo has ever done. Only time will tell who the better player will be. </div> true, true only time will tell about any of these players....but if any GM selected Gordon over Mayo...Stern would call them up to the podium after the annoucement and slap the dog-sh*t outta em....lol
