<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>and that Kobe has sucked</div> Kobe had 10 assists in Game 4 and you made up some bullshit about that not counting. Kobe played bad, Pierce was hardly consistent on offense, and defensively KG led the way, and clogged the lanes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 17 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 17 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't help but looking at this: Kobe's Game 6 pales to LBJ's Game 7</div> What about LeBron last year in the Finals? Can't help... </div> So LBJ looked a lot like Kobe when Kobe gave away a title to larry the clown But why does last year matter?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 17 2008, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 17 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 17 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't help but looking at this: Kobe's Game 6 pales to LBJ's Game 7</div> What about LeBron last year in the Finals? Can't help... </div> So LBJ looked a lot like Kobe when Kobe gave away a title to larry the clown But why does last year matter? </div> Kobe underperformed all year in 2004. And was under a lot worse circumstances, and his PER was lame.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 17 2008, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>and that Kobe has sucked</div> Kobe had 10 assists in Game 4 and you made up some bullshit about that not counting. Kobe played bad, Pierce was hardly consistent on offense, and defensively KG led the way, and clogged the lanes. </div> That is because Pierce was attacking the rim and drawing double teams and finding good looks for teammates, and running an effective offense. Kobe wasn't creating great looks for teammates, he got them enough ok looks to rack up the 10 assists.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 17 2008, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What I think is... Ainge went from being the worst GM in the history of the NBA to exec of the year. Doc was the worst coach in the history of the NBA, now look at him.</div> I wouldn't hire either of those guys if I owned a team.
Basically Bron cost his team Game 1 the way Kobe is blamed for #4. Didn't LeBron have the worst 4-game stretch ever in playoff history? Can't help but think of that too.
Lebron kind of struggled against the Celtics as well in the playoffs, am I correct? The Celtic's defense should be given credit
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 17 2008, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 17 2008, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>and that Kobe has sucked</div> Kobe had 10 assists in Game 4 and you made up some bullshit about that not counting. Kobe played bad, Pierce was hardly consistent on offense, and defensively KG led the way, and clogged the lanes. </div> That is because Pierce was attacking the rim and drawing double teams and finding good looks for teammates, and running an effective offense. Kobe wasn't creating great looks for teammates, he got them enough ok looks to rack up the 10 assists. </div> How were they "ok" looks? Pierce was hardly a superstar in this series. No one impressed me, not Kobe, or anyone.
Meh, Kobe took a not so great team farther than it should have gone. Gasol is an alright 2nd option next to Kobe, he's a little soft, but given how good Kobe is, he's good enough. They'll have Bynum back next year which should help them in the post. It just confirmed my belief that Lamar Odom is what's wrong with this team. They need to trade Odom. I would recommend something like Odom and Mihm for Artest and Miller. Just swapping in Artest for Odom would make this Lakers team so much better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 17 2008, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 17 2008, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 17 2008, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>and that Kobe has sucked</div> Kobe had 10 assists in Game 4 and you made up some bullshit about that not counting. Kobe played bad, Pierce was hardly consistent on offense, and defensively KG led the way, and clogged the lanes. </div> That is because Pierce was attacking the rim and drawing double teams and finding good looks for teammates, and running an effective offense. Kobe wasn't creating great looks for teammates, he got them enough ok looks to rack up the 10 assists. </div> How were they "ok" looks? Pierce was hardly a superstar in this series. No one impressed me, not Kobe, or anyone. </div> They were ok looks, because quite a few of them Kobe just rotated the ball for a 3, and it took him a lot of possessions to get those assists. Someone can get plenty of assists just by having the ball in his hands a lot of the time. If he is not running an effective offense then it is not the number that counts.
Kirk Hinrich dominated the ball the past few seasons for the Bulls. I think he got most of his assists by virtue of having the ball in his hands so much. The team did win 49 a year ago. He was good for 6 APG. To get 10 seems to me is a bit beyond just having the ball so much.
Marbury averaged 7-9 assists per game for quite a few seasons, I wouldn't consider the offense he ran very impressive. Hinrich probably gets those assists a fair amount, and didn't facilitate a good offense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 17 2008, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kirk Hinrich dominated the ball the past few seasons for the Bulls. I think he got most of his assists by virtue of having the ball in his hands so much. The team did win 49 a year ago. He was good for 6 APG. To get 10 seems to me is a bit beyond just having the ball so much.</div> Exactly. I wasn't in love with Kobe or anyone in Game 4, and I thought he penetrated and dished just fine.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jun 17 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marbury averaged 7-9 assists per game for quite a few seasons, I wouldn't consider the offense he ran very impressive. Hinrich probably gets those assists a fair amount, and didn't facilitate a good offense.</div> Seems highly subjective on both our parts.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 17 2008, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kirk Hinrich dominated the ball the past few seasons for the Bulls. I think he got most of his assists by virtue of having the ball in his hands so much. The team did win 49 a year ago. He was good for 6 APG. To get 10 seems to me is a bit beyond just having the ball so much.</div> Hinrich's assists were almost completely from passing to Deng in the corner for two, Gordon off a curl, or a big man (PJ Brown, Joe Smith, Malik Allen, OTHELLO) for the jumpshot.
This series didn't change my opinion of Kobe at all. I still think he is the best player in the game and by a good margin at that. I also still believe that Kobe is a more skilled basketball player than Michael Jordan, for some reason he just can't rise to that extra level of clutchness that MJ rose to seemingly at will. I still cannot believe the final score of that game.
This series only cemented my belief that toooo many ppl overate this guy. top 5-6 all time?? pu-lease!!! he's a very good player, but this guy isn't even top 10 maybe even top 15 all time IMO. and take your PACE huevon and stick it where the sun don't shine, it goes WAY beyond the stats and into intangibles, something the all time greats have in Spades and something Kobe has only a little of.
It doesn't change my perception of him, but I'm glad that it will change most people's. He's the best guard we've seen since MJ and lately I've felt that there's been this attempt to elevate him to that level. We're a bit removed from the days when Jordan dominated so its easy to get caught up in that comparison, but this series showed that Kobe is human and like every other superstar other than MJ, he needs his teammates to step up in order to be successful.
