Maybe the T-Wolves Should Have Traded for Paul Pierce

The GM had a good relationship with Boston's GM and the Wolves had a lot of assets to offer the Celtics.

Oh, well. Just a suggestion.

 

Yeah but just KG and Pierce wouldn't have won it. And we didn't have enough assets to get an Allen type player. We would have gone to the playoffs, but not deep enough to get the rings that they just won.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jun 18 2008, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah but just KG and Pierce wouldn't have won it. And we didn't have enough assets to get an Allen type player. We would have gone to the playoffs, but not deep enough to get the rings that they just won.</div>

All the Celtics traded for Allen was a high draft pick and salary filler.

Why aren't T-Wolves fans apoplectic? I would be throwing things. McHale screwed you and handed his real team a title!

 

I just said, we didn't have all those young pieces to get Allen AND a Pierce type player. Plus we didn't have the contracts to match those of Allen and Pierce. It's that simple, KG's contract was eating at our chance to build that type of team around him. So, McHale did the wise thing and started the rebuilding process.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jun 18 2008, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, McHale did the wise thing</div>

Don't believe I've ever seen that phrase before

 

I know but it's true

 

They had six players making over $4M.

They traded for Antoine Walker, for crying out loud!

Pierce wouldn't have cost what Garnett did. The Celtics were looking to rebuild. The Wolves had plenty of expiring salary and very enticing draft picks.

It must be nice to have such a laid back fan base to answer to.

 

Your attitude is a lot healthier than mine.

I'd give myself an ulcer if I watched my team's GM hand our superstar to his buddy and his old team won a ring.

 

Ricky Davis would not be accepted back to Boston, same with Mark Blount. They already had our draft pick so we were limited in that department. Our six players were as follows: KG, Marko Jaric, Ricky Davis, Trenton Hassell, Mark Blount, and Mike James. None of those players have much value other than Ricky (and we would be keeping KG). The rest of them are overpaid players with little trade value. For sure not enough to aqquire Pierce and Allen. We traded those others for garbage like Antione Walker, Greg Buckner, and Juwan Howard who never played a game for us. Te deals were basically player with no value for a player with no value. You can't get two superstar players with these guys and no picks. One maybe, but two absolutely not. It just would not have worked.

I was just as angry as any Celtics fan at the end of last year. But the consesus around here was that perhaps it was time to rebuild and trade KG, and that is precisely what we did.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jun 18 2008, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ricky Davis would not be accepted back to Boston, same with Mark Blount. They already had our draft pick so we were limited in that department. Our six players were as follows: KG, Marko Jaric, Ricky Davis, Trenton Hassell, Mark Blount, and Mike James. None of those players have much value other than Ricky (and we would be keeping KG). The rest of them are overpaid players with little trade value.</div>

Who surrounded Kevin Garnett with those players and made it acceptable to you and other T-Wolves fans to trade Garnett to Boston?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 18 2008, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jun 18 2008, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, McHale did the wise thing</div>

Don't believe I've ever seen that phrase before
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And the sad thing is that since the trade ended out not to be a disaster...McHale just bought him self another couple years of Job security.....ugh

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 18 2008, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jun 18 2008, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ricky Davis would not be accepted back to Boston, same with Mark Blount. They already had our draft pick so we were limited in that department. Our six players were as follows: KG, Marko Jaric, Ricky Davis, Trenton Hassell, Mark Blount, and Mike James. None of those players have much value other than Ricky (and we would be keeping KG). The rest of them are overpaid players with little trade value.</div>

Who surrounded Kevin Garnett with those players and made it acceptable to you and other T-Wolves fans to trade Garnett to Boston?
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The question wasn't who's to blame for the situation (cough, cough...McHale) but that Minnesota didn't have the resources to make multiple deals to create what Boston did. We had bad contracts to unworthy players and no picks to deal thanks to the Joe Smith Fiasco and our other two picks were traded to Boston and LA already...we we're in a bad way. Granted Our front office put us in that mess...it still doesn't change the fact that we we're pretty much forced in the course of actions they took.

With all said and done, it didn't turn out too bad. We have a good developing young squad which will only get better with the pick of O.J. Mayo (shout out to Tim!!!) not to mention that Garnett got the title he deserved after all the dedication and loyalty he gave ti Minnesota! I'm happy, alll things considered.

 

So McHale ruined a championship caliber team, got things to the point where trading Garnett to his beloved Celtics was the "only option", the Celtics win a title that the T-Wolves themselves had every right to compete for - and Wolves fans are happy?

I guess it wouldn't be so bad if McHale wasn't STILL THERE!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 18 2008, 03:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So McHale ruined a championship caliber team, got things to the point where trading Garnett to his beloved Celtics was the "only option", the Celtics win a title that the T-Wolves themselves had every right to compete for - and Wolves fans are happy?

I guess it wouldn't be so bad if McHale wasn't STILL THERE!</div>


huh? the only time we had a championship caliber team was the year we had Cassell and Sprewell....and they actually messed that up with their greed (I bet Spree wishes he had the 7 mil a year to feed his family now)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NattaNerNuttaMan @ Jun 18 2008, 04:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 18 2008, 03:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So McHale ruined a championship caliber team, got things to the point where trading Garnett to his beloved Celtics was the "only option", the Celtics win a title that the T-Wolves themselves had every right to compete for - and Wolves fans are happy?

I guess it wouldn't be so bad if McHale wasn't STILL THERE!</div>


huh? the only time we had a championship caliber team was the year we had Cassell and Sprewell....and they actually messed that up with their greed (I bet Spree wishes he had the 7 mil a year to feed his family now)
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Exactly, he didn't ruin the team, the players did. KG's enormous contract did. During that time we weren't by any means happy. We were very much upset with the state of the team and the fact that we simply couldn't win a ring with KG in a Wolves uni. Everyone wanted assistant GM Fred Hoiberg to take over. Everyone wanted McHale gone. But to be perfectly honest, he made the best decision possible in trading KG and getting many pieces that can potentially win a championship in 4-5 years or so. As long as that is, it would have been longer had we kept Kevin. It was the right move for us. I wish that wasn't true, but as someone following this as closely as someone can, it was true. We had to trade the Ticket.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 18 2008, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So McHale ruined a championship caliber team, got things to the point where trading Garnett to his beloved Celtics was the "only option", the Celtics win a title that the T-Wolves themselves had every right to compete for - and Wolves fans are happy?

I guess it wouldn't be so bad if McHale wasn't STILL THERE!</div>
Get over it, you're just pissed that the Celtics won.
KG put over a decade into trying to make the Wolves a winner, you can't blame him for giving up with the team going nowhere and wanting to be traded.
Kobe gave the Lakers, what 3 years before he started bitching about his team...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ Jun 18 2008, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 18 2008, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So McHale ruined a championship caliber team, got things to the point where trading Garnett to his beloved Celtics was the "only option", the Celtics win a title that the T-Wolves themselves had every right to compete for - and Wolves fans are happy?

I guess it wouldn't be so bad if McHale wasn't STILL THERE!</div>
Get over it, you're just pissed that the Celtics won.
KG put over a decade into trying to make the Wolves a winner, you can't blame him for giving up with the team going nowhere and wanting to be traded.
Kobe gave the Lakers, what 3 years before he started bitching about his team...
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Yeah and Kobe bitched because his team had remained virtually the same for two years, and it didn't look like help was coming.

Who predicted the Gasol trade? Kobe didn't want to waste his prime for some High School player like Bynum either. Even though he was fantastic, his injury concerns people.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ Jun 18 2008, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 18 2008, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So McHale ruined a championship caliber team, got things to the point where trading Garnett to his beloved Celtics was the "only option", the Celtics win a title that the T-Wolves themselves had every right to compete for - and Wolves fans are happy?

I guess it wouldn't be so bad if McHale wasn't STILL THERE!</div>
Get over it, you're just pissed that the Celtics won.
KG put over a decade into trying to make the Wolves a winner, you can't blame him for giving up with the team going nowhere and wanting to be traded.
Kobe gave the Lakers, what 3 years before he started bitching about his team...
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KG NEVER gave up. He would have stayed and gave 100% until he died.

It all worked out, though. McHale and KG are reveling in the Celtics' championship and T-Wolves fans are cheering for KG and enthusiastically enjoying their rebuilding process. (Hooray!! Maybe in 5 years we can make the playoffs!! Oh, boy!)

Everybody won I guess. Congratulations.

 

ghoti, you aren't listening to me. IT'S THE ONLY THING WE COULD HAVE DONE. I prefer a chance at a ring in 4 years (and more after that) over keeping KG and his contract and going nowhere for as long as his career lasts. We might as well cheer for the guy who poured his heart out in to every game he played for us. Nothing would have worked with him still being here. It's what was best for both teams.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jun 18 2008, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ghoti, you aren't listening to me. IT'S THE ONLY THING WE COULD HAVE DONE. I prefer a chance at a ring in 4 years (and more after that) over keeping KG and his contract and going nowhere for as long as his career lasts. We might as well cheer for the guy who poured his heart out in to every game he played for us. Nothing would have worked with him still being here. It's what was best for both teams.</div>

Nah, I get it.

I would root for KG, too.

What I am getting at is that T-Wolves fans give McHale such a free ride when he so clearly and blatantly screwed you. This could very well be you guys celebrating today and it doesn't seem to bother anyone. It makes no sense to me.

Now the Wolves are in the same boat as all the other non-contending teams - it's a total crapshoot whether another opportunity will come. The old one was murdered by the GM and given to his friends.