<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 26 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 26 2008, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Cap Space and a nice draft pick next summer is what's in the cards for the Nets. Carter's contract is probably the ugliest in the NBA. He's 31 or 32 and signed until he's 36. There's a nice core of at least 4 younger players to rebuild around, plus the three picks tonight. Not sure any of the picks are going to blossom into more than nice supporting players, tho. Next season is going to be ugly.</div> How do you know that's the team the Nets will wind up with this year? </div> I don't see much on the roster that other teams would covet and want to trade for. You just traded away a 20+ PPG scorer for a 20 year old guy who needs a lot of seasoning. 10th pick in the draft gets you... Dirk if you are incredibly lucky, or Joakim Noah in a deep draft. In another thread with radio interview with Thron (I think), he said the deal was made with 2010 in mind. My scenario is the 2010 one. Of course, Lawrence Frank is a genius and can play a couple of solid vets and young players into a playoff team. Right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 26 2008, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (turdymclovin @ Jun 26 2008, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yi has 3 point range. Allen Iverson has a 31% career 3PT% and he's not a 19 year old 7-footer who moved from China to Milwaukee.</div> With your incorrect rebuttal you just reminded me we need some shooters. Do we take Lee at 21 or take our chances in FA? or do we trade up for DG? Harris VC DG SW Boone </div> The Nets need shooters. Yi isn't the answer for that. If you think he has no range, you are wrong. Ever watch him? All I said is he has more range than Krstic, which he does. Gallinari isn't a shooter, either. Brandon Rush is a shooter. Your boy Eric Gordon is a shooter. </div> My guy Gallinari shot 40% in the Italian league. We need a SF, a dribbler, and a shooter, he does fit the criteria. However, if we do trade up, I think wed be tempted to go with BPA and take Love. Dont worry about Gordon he will be long gone by the time we pick
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 26 2008, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jun 26 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't wait til we trade Vince...cause it's gonna happen and then I won't have to hear about getting Elton Brand or how Carter and Lebron will lead us to a championship...when Carter is 34 years old. I would trade him straight up for Stephen Marbury tomorrow.</div> Can't get Marbury for him. Walsh said straight out he isn't trading Marbury. </div> I know but it was more of an example of how little I'd want for him. His contract is just god awful...we offered him too much and he was pretty much signed only with the goal of winning a championship with the core of Kidd, Carter, RJ and Krstic...it didn't work out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jun 26 2008, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 26 2008, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jun 26 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't wait til we trade Vince...cause it's gonna happen and then I won't have to hear about getting Elton Brand or how Carter and Lebron will lead us to a championship...when Carter is 34 years old. I would trade him straight up for Stephen Marbury tomorrow.</div> Can't get Marbury for him. Walsh said straight out he isn't trading Marbury. </div> I know but it was more of an example of how little I'd want for him. His contract is just god awful...we offered him too much and he was pretty much signed only with the goal of winning a championship with the core of Kidd, Carter, RJ and Krstic...it didn't work out. </div> It confuses casual fans because they don't realize how valuable Marbury's contract is. I'm on the fence whether I'd do that deal, but you are definitely right about Carter's contract. Now that RJ's gone, though, it's not really as much of a problem.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jun 26 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I we completed the Portland trade Robin Lopez wouldn't look bad at 13...physical frontcourt player like Josh Boone who compliments the style of Yi and Swat.</div> I don't really see the point of it. It's likely that we'll have Yi, Sean, Josh, Nads, and Stro by the time training camp starts. We need to address shooting and backup PG.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (turdymclovin @ Jun 26 2008, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 26 2008, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (turdymclovin @ Jun 26 2008, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yi has 3 point range. Allen Iverson has a 31% career 3PT% and he's not a 19 year old 7-footer who moved from China to Milwaukee.</div> With your incorrect rebuttal you just reminded me we need some shooters. Do we take Lee at 21 or take our chances in FA? or do we trade up for DG? Harris VC DG SW Boone </div> The Nets need shooters. Yi isn't the answer for that. If you think he has no range, you are wrong. Ever watch him? All I said is he has more range than Krstic, which he does. Gallinari isn't a shooter, either. Brandon Rush is a shooter. Your boy Eric Gordon is a shooter. </div> My guy Gallinari shot 40% in the Italian league. We need a SF, a dribbler, and a shooter, he does fit the criteria. However, if we do trade up, I think wed be tempted to go with BPA and take Love. Dont worry about Gordon he will be long gone by the time we pick </div> I'd be thrilled to get Love, but don't be so sure about Gordon. There is a real possibility he will be there at 10 and the Nets will jump on him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jun 26 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't wait til we trade Vince...cause it's gonna happen and then I won't have to hear about getting Elton Brand or how Carter and Lebron will lead us to a championship...when Carter is 34 years old. I would trade him straight up for Stephen Marbury tomorrow.</div> LOL, u just mad, cuz ur fav Nets player got traded.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 26 2008, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jun 26 2008, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 26 2008, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jun 26 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't wait til we trade Vince...cause it's gonna happen and then I won't have to hear about getting Elton Brand or how Carter and Lebron will lead us to a championship...when Carter is 34 years old. I would trade him straight up for Stephen Marbury tomorrow.</div> Can't get Marbury for him. Walsh said straight out he isn't trading Marbury. </div> I know but it was more of an example of how little I'd want for him. His contract is just god awful...we offered him too much and he was pretty much signed only with the goal of winning a championship with the core of Kidd, Carter, RJ and Krstic...it didn't work out. </div> It confuses casual fans because they don't realize how valuable Marbury's contract is. I'm on the fence whether I'd do that deal, but you are definitely right about Carter's contract. Now that RJ's gone, though, it's not really as much of a problem. </div> Hell I'd do Carter for Ben Wallace straight up.
RJ has an ETO for the 2011 season. I wonder if he'd want to take that option now that he'll most likely be in Milwaukee for that year?
Any chance that RJ comes back to the Nets for the MLE in 2010 (he'll be 30)? haha, that would be pretty cool though to team him up with LeBron if Thorn really is serious about making a run for him. As for the trade, I've never seen either Yi or Simmons play, so no comment for now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jun 26 2008, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jun 26 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't wait til we trade Vince...cause it's gonna happen and then I won't have to hear about getting Elton Brand or how Carter and Lebron will lead us to a championship...when Carter is 34 years old. I would trade him straight up for Stephen Marbury tomorrow.</div> LOL, u just mad, cuz ur fav Nets player got traded. </div> RJ isnt my favorite player... Honestly if I had to pick a favorite it be Boone or Sean followed closely by Devin and Marcus. I just hate Vince Carter that much.
http://sportstwo.com/NBA/Story/NBA/2514609 Nets trade F Jefferson to Bucks Thursday, June 26, 2008 05:16 PM EAST RUTHERFORD, New Jersey (Ticker) -- The New Jersey Nets continued their makeover Thursday, trading Richard Jefferson to the Milwaukee Bucks for Yi Jianlian and Bobby Simmons. No picks ahead of Thursday's draft were involved the deal. The biggest prize in the trade is the high-flying Jefferson, who averaged a career-high 22.6 points last season. "Richard Jefferson is a hard-working, proven, dynamic performer at the forward position," Bucks general manager John Hammond. "He's an aggressive player with terrific credentials over his career. "He's been a winner, having gone to the playoffs in six of his seven seasons, and we're excited to bring him to Milwaukee." For the Nets, the biggest benefit of the deal is salary-cap relief. Having traded disgruntled point guard Jason Kidd in February, moving Jefferson's maxed-out contract that has three years and $42 million remaining would create an estimated $10 million in long-term savings for the Nets. Simmons' contract expires after the 2008-09 season, and Yi has only about $7 million left on his contract for the next two years. Simmons, 28, spent two awful seasons in Milwaukee after fleecing the Bucks for a five-year, $47 million contract. The small forward struggled with various injuries last season, averaging 7.6 points in 70 games. The move to New Jersey allows the 6-11 Yi to play in a bigger media market, something he wanted to do before being drafted by the Bucks sixth overall last season. The 20-year-old Chinese big man, who has been compared to Dallas Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki, averaged 8.6 points and 5.2 rebounds last season. "We feel that Yi can be a very special player," Nets president Rod Thorn said. "He is a 20-year-old seven footer who shoots the ball extremely well, and he is an excellent addition to our frontcourt." Jefferson, 28, gives new coach Scott Skiles a veteran presence and a slasher to go along with sharpshooter Michael Redd, who also has been on the trading block. Selected 13th overall in 2001, the 6-7 Jefferson helped the Nets reach a pair of NBA Finals. He has career averages of 17.4 points, 5.4 assists and 3.0 assists in 489 games.
I thought this was pretty good http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...fersonYi-080626 <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>If you're a Nets fan, you had better hope LeBron and Jay-Z are reaaaaaaaaal tight. Like sardine-can tight. Because the only way to make hay from what amounts to a giveaway of Richard Jefferson on Thursday is if LeBron decides to bolt for Brooklyn in 2010. Yes, the Nets also will get Yi Jianlian in Thursday's deal (along with Bobby Simmons), but that's small consolation in return for one of the league's top small forwards. The Nets now have a gaping hole at that slot, one which may or may not be adequately filled in Thursday's draft, and one has to question whether LeBron will be willing to make the jump in 2010 to a team that, at the moment, looks to be a 30-win squad. Look, I know the issues with Jefferson. He's not worth what he's making ($42 million over the next three seasons), he's struggled with ankle problems the past two seasons, and he makes poor decisions when asked to be an initiator offensively. But let's not overstate things. He's 28, he's a quality defender -- even if he slipped a bit last season -- and he ranked 13th among small forwards in player efficiency rating last season while playing all 82 games. Or look at it this way: Even if Yi becomes a decent player, which remains a question to be answered, it's hard to imagine him becoming any better than Jefferson. Obviously, New Jersey didn't do this deal with the hope of improving its roster in 2008-09. No, this was done to improve its cap space in 2010 -- Simmons' expiring deal will cut $10.6 million off the payroll two summers from now, and the clear-as-day idea is that King James will ride in to the rescue the Nets at that point. In the meantime, maybe Yi earns them a few more Nets fans from the New York area's large Asian population, and maybe he'll play a little better now that he's not in Wisconsin culture shock. But for a team that's business side has been focused on the 2010 move to Brooklyn for some time now, it only makes sense that the basketball side starts getting in line. The hope for the Nets is that the nucleus of Yi, Devin Harris, Nenad Krstic, Josh Boone, Marcus Williams, Sean Williams, and whomever they draft will be decent enough to attract James to join the crowd; if Vince Carter is still chugging along by then so much the better. But the Nets are clearly rolling the dice.</div>
^ yep so much speculation that this move was made to clear cap space for lebron in 2010... i'm just sad to see RJ go...
"Giveaway" of RJ, my ass. The guy regressed, is injury prone, played no defense, had a crappy attitude and a bad contract and the Nets got a lottery pick and a substantial savings along with cap room for 2010, when there are more FA than just LeBron available. All of a sudden RJ is some kind of superstar? Please.
So much for Kiki saying we want to be better next year and go for a championship. This deal pretty much makes the last 2 years in NJ a wash. Its a clear signal they could give a shit about next year or the year after that. Maybe thats just my bitterness talking though... ugh but we have Hassell and Simmons on our roster. Bad contracts. Now I REALLY want Danilo so we can fullfill my Nets prediction of having a multicultural team to boost ticket sales. I do remember posting the need to trade for Yi a while ago. Made in jest though. Carter you're next...
Can anyone here conceive of a scenario where a team would trade for Carter? I can't... However, I wouldn't expect anyone to trade for Shaq, either
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jun 26 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What a terrible trade for New Jersey...they surely could've got more for RJ, right?</div> no because if we got more is salary wuld mean nothing then maybe we could of got a pick or something
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ Jun 26 2008, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So much for Kiki saying we want to be better next year and go for a championship. This deal pretty much makes the last 2 years in NJ a wash. Its a clear signal they could give a shit about next year or the year after that. Maybe thats just my bitterness talking though... ugh but we have Hassell and Simmons on our roster. Bad contracts. Now I REALLY want Danilo so we can fullfill my Nets prediction of having a multicultural team to boost ticket sales. I do remember posting the need to trade for Yi a while ago. Made in jest though. Carter you're next...</div> Pfft I wish he were the first to go...gluck to us unloading his contract...
