Listening to him on 670 the Score. Basically he pciked Rose at #1 over Beasley to give Tyrus Thomas a chance for redemption. What the hell. **** Tyrus Thomas. Stupid bastard never should have been a Bull to start with, and forced our idiot GM to pass on a future HOF. Paxson has no idea what the hell he is going to do with the team. He doesn't seem to know how the hell he can build around Derrick Rose. This is going to end up as a mess.
I thought you wanted Rose...and you loved Thomas. You expected him to have like a 6 million dollar extension.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ Jun 26 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rose is going to be a great player.</div> Beasley will be a great player too, and would be a better fit. Rose forces us to rebuild a bit, Beasley would have completed the roster. It seems like John and Vinny are just saying...Rose...he can penetrate, point guard, Chris Paul, Deron Williams...blah blah blah... These guys have no plan whatsoever.
Paxson said he is comfortable with going into next season with Rose/Hinrich/Gordon/Hughes/Thabo as the backcourt. Yeah...that's not going to work out very well.
LOL I don't think Paxson is that dumb to decide to use the #1 pick in the NBA Draft in order to give Tyrus Thomas a second chance.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 26 2008, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Paxson said he is comfortable with going into next season with Rose/Hinrich/Gordon/Hughes/Thabo as the backcourt. Yeah...that's not going to work out very well.</div> But that backcourt features Thabo "Jesus" Sefolosha. Keep the faith.
The only way Pax could have botched this pick was to trade it for a 2nd rounder and a guy like Viktor Kryhappa. Nobody'd beef if he picked either Rose or Beasley. The scary thing is they're probably going to keep a deep guard rotation and limit Rose's PT to break his spirit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 26 2008, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Paxson taking Rose was obvious to everyone but you BG7</div> I had Rose to Bulls on my last iteration of my mock draft. Still wasn't that smart of a pick, given our current team. You can afford to pick for fit when picking between Rose and Beasley. It isn't like we were thinking of taking Kevin Love over Rose just because he was a better fit. Although Paxson tried to get Beasley too in the draft, but did he really think that would work? Riley wanted Beasley all along. Riley, Beasley, and Wade are just all sitting in their little lair laughing at Paxson right now. If Wade stays healthy, the Bulls are going to get eaten up by Wade/Beasley every single year....not to mention Dwight Howard and Lebron. Paxson needs to clear capspace for 2010 by getting rid of Hinrich and Nocioni, and make a run at Boozer or Amare, since Thomas has an 90% chance of being a bust at this point.
I don't know what your complaining about with regards to the #1. This was the best pick IMO. Sure we are crowded in the backcourt, but Paxson is goin to make deals. Also with the addition of Vinny as coach, its no secret that he wants the Bulls to run more. In order to play at such a speed you need a great point guard to run it. This is one of the most critical needs. For example theres no way Phoenix can run without Steve Nash. Also theres no secret the biggest keys to NO, Utah, Suns, NJ(with Kidd) are/were their point guards. Taking Beasley now would make us better now. Thats a definate, but does it make us a championship team? Without doubt it doesn't. If you watched Rose during the NCAA tournament, you know this kid is special. You have to be careful of Beasley too, sure he'll be a great scorer, but a great scorer is no way near as valuable as either an all-star big man or an all-star point guard. Those 2 are the most fundamental in creating a championship calibre team. There is no team in history other than the 90's Bulls to my knowledge that have not had either or both. The dumb move was this Sonny guy, I still cannot fathom why CDR was not picked. Paxson will regret this.
When's the last time a team built around a point guard won a championship? 1990? High Schoolers --> Euros --> Point Guards It is just the new trend in the NBA. Beasley would be a lot easier to build around with our current roster.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 27 2008, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When's the last time a team built around a point guard won a championship? 1990? High Schoolers --> Euros --> Point Guards It is just the new trend in the NBA. Beasley would be a lot easier to build around with our current roster.</div> When was the last time a championship team was built arounda PF who only scores and rebounds You have got to look at a time frame longer that now. Rosters change over time. This roster is not fixed.
Whose calling the shots here? John Paxson: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"Derrick's not a guy we're going to look at and say, `Come in and right away [and start],' " Paxson said. "He's got to earn that given the chance. But we're not going to throw him into this thing and say you have to do everything right now. We'll give him time."</div> Derrick Rose: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I mean, don't you expect to be a starter right away? "Yes, yes, I do," Rose shot back. "Being a point guard and coming in and starting -- I have to show a little bit of leadership and let everyone know that I really want to be there." Translation: He's not sitting on any bench. "There's going to be moves, and they don't know who is going to be there," said Rose, speaking the truth about a guard logjam that could trigger the departure of Kirk Hinrich (I hope) or Ben Gordon (I hope not).</div> Hey...Hinrich and Gordon will be the starters, and Rose will be the disgruntled guard on the bench this year. Or we start Hinrich and Hughes, and hae two disgruntled guards on the bench. Or go for Hinrich and Thabo, and have 3 disgruntled guards on the bench!
btw, I don't see anyway Kirk comes back with now both Rose and Gordon gunning at him. Sounds like Rose is really excited to play with Gordon, Thomas, and Noah...and with good reason. These are the 3 guys that will make Rose to Chicago work. If these 3 guys don't pan out with Rose, it'll be a long rebuilding process.
Paxsons statement about giving Rose the chance to start, but have to earn it is more about not trying to rush Rose I think. Rose is only 19 years old. The PG position is the hardest position to learn at the Pro level. Hinrich or Gordon are on their way out, I think everyone in the league is expecting it. Unless someone takes Larry Hughes, but I doubt it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 26 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Listening to him on 670 the Score. Basically he pciked Rose at #1 over Beasley to give Tyrus Thomas a chance for redemption.</div> Doesn't sound like that to me. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/sto...mp;sportCat=nba <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"Very honestly, at the end when we made our decision, it was really unanimous among our scouts and coaches and myself,'' said Paxson. "This was the direction we all wanted to go.''</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dtay @ Jun 27 2008, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Paxsons statement about giving Rose the chance to start, but have to earn it is more about not trying to rush Rose I think. Rose is only 19 years old. The PG position is the hardest position to learn at the Pro level. Hinrich or Gordon are on their way out, I think everyone in the league is expecting it. Unless someone takes Larry Hughes, but I doubt it.</div> This is my take as well. The glut of guards we have does allow us to give Rose minutes on the 2nd team against opposing teams' 2nd units to get used to the speed and size of the NBA players. On the other hand, when Pax had his hard on for Hinrich playing PG, he dealt away all our guards but Crawford and Pargo (I think) so there was little choice to play him 40 MPG as a rookie. What I see as the thing to watch for is how much PT Hinrich gets. I have this feeling he's going to be the starting 2, and not the guy traded to make room for Rose.
