<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerzeeNetz @ Jun 27 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my line-up right now as it stands would be: PG: MWilliams\DArmstron SG: Harris\Ager\CDR SF: Carter\Hassel\Anderson\Simmons PF: Swift\SWilliams\Yi C: Boone\Kristic\Lopez People forgot about swift</div> Yeah I thought he was released after looking at the first depth charts posted...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (turdymclovin @ Jun 27 2008, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>PG: MWilliams\DArmstron ???? SG: Harris\Ager\CDR SF: Carter\Hassel\Anderson\Simmons PF: Swift\SWilliams\Yi C: Boone\Kristic\Lopez</div> Swift over Sean and Yi? Lopez at the end of the bench? Hassel? CDR behind ager? </div> Yeah you still want your vets to start unless you are seriously trying to dump games for another lottery pick. Be it granted that Kiki said that this team is in no position to make a run for anything. Maybe it would be good to start the young bucks. But how would vince and harris feel knowing. that the season is a wash before it even started. That is why I have vets over rookies. Plus these rookies aren't immediate starter material. Lopez would move up if we dont have kristic anymore. Frank is good with sharing time and setting up a rotations. Even though i didnt agree with some of his rotations last season. Like not playing swift and SWilliams more. Swift over SWilliams is good because its good energy and defense of the bench since williams doesnt know how to stay out foul trouble. can you beleive that Hassell is our best defensive player. IMO this team is being built more on offense and not defense unlike how the old nets were byron scott era.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stro6swift @ Jun 27 2008, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerzeeNetz @ Jun 27 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my line-up right now as it stands would be: PG: MWilliams\DArmstron SG: Harris\Ager\CDR SF: Carter\Hassel\Anderson\Simmons PF: Swift\SWilliams\Yi C: Boone\Kristic\Lopez People forgot about swift</div> Yeah I thought he was released after looking at the first depth charts posted... </div> was he?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerzeeNetz @ Jun 27 2008, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stro6swift @ Jun 27 2008, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerzeeNetz @ Jun 27 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my line-up right now as it stands would be: PG: MWilliams\DArmstron SG: Harris\Ager\CDR SF: Carter\Hassel\Anderson\Simmons PF: Swift\SWilliams\Yi C: Boone\Kristic\Lopez People forgot about swift</div> Yeah I thought he was released after looking at the first depth charts posted... </div> was he? </div> No, people just don't see him in the long term plans of the team...or short term apparently!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stro6swift @ Jun 27 2008, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerzeeNetz @ Jun 27 2008, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stro6swift @ Jun 27 2008, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerzeeNetz @ Jun 27 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my line-up right now as it stands would be: PG: MWilliams\DArmstron SG: Harris\Ager\CDR SF: Carter\Hassel\Anderson\Simmons PF: Swift\SWilliams\Yi C: Boone\Kristic\Lopez People forgot about swift</div> Yeah I thought he was released after looking at the first depth charts posted... </div> was he? </div> No, people just don't see him in the long term plans of the team...or short term apparently! </div> which is ok as long as he is gone by 2010 when lebron is a free agent. thats all that the FO is doing is getting the pieces in place for when we pick up lebron. Because i doubt lebron will want to come here if the team looks like we are still rebuilding.
If there are no more changes on the horizon (highly unlikely), a frontcourt of Yi, Sean Williams, and Krstic is something I would like to see, with Josh Boone and Lopez coming off the bench.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jun 27 2008, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>sean is a goner, i dont wanna hurt yall feelings.</div> Maybe...but I think he may stick around for a while.
I say none of our free agents are needed anymore. All we need this summer is a 3rd string pointguard. DA is fine, if he can take another season. C - Brooklyn Lopez, Josh Boone, Stromile Swift PF - Yi Jianlian, Sean Williams, Ryan Anderson SF - Bobby Simmons, Chris Douglas Roberts, Trenton Hassell SG - Vince Carter, Julius Hodge, Maurice Ager PG - Devin Harris, Marcus Williams, “? (Boone might start over Lopez in the first half of the season, but since Brook was projected as a top3 pick, I hope he can soon become a legit Starting C) Bye Bye Krstic, Diop and Nachbar!! We don't have a need nor roster space for any of them. Vow, I'm so excited for this team!!
I dont believe Sean is a goner. I personally see him as our "other draft choice" because he was so raw coming in last year. Their trying to put some weight on him and kiki is doing alot of work with him on his game. He's got innate shotblocking ability, and has TONS of potential. I personally believe that he has the potential to be our super athletic powerforward with more work and be a weakside defender to go along Lopez, who will be the starter at the 5 later in the season. Lopez is a good man to man defender, and regardless of what people think, at the very least he has a bit of toughness in him which will improve our inside.
C - Boone / Lopez / Krstic (?) PF - Yi / Swift / Anderson SF - Simmons / Sean / FA - trade SG - Carter / Hassell / Ager / CDR / ? PG - Harris / Marcus / Basically, Boki is expendable. Yi is an improvement over him, and Anderson is also a very similar player. Yi will start. At Power Forward. He's finally playing on a large market team, if he doesn't start the Nets kill themselves financially. Plus, I saw Yi play in person, and one time he was shooting a jumper I remember thinking "Holy crap he really gets a lift on his jumper". If Yi puts in the work like Yao did, he WILL become Dirk-like player. I kid you not. According to pre-draft measurements, Yi should have around a 38" vertical. Not bad for an asian 7 footer. Link Simmons is an all around player and may be able to compliment Yi at the forward rotation. Or NJ trades Swift/Diop/Nachbar/Hassell for a FA SF. Sean is kind of screwed currently. He's not the shooting threat to play SF, and he's not strong enough to play PF. But his natural position is probably PF... except NJ is loaded there. If nothing changes, expect to see him running around at the SF a lot. They have four spare parts that they simply don't need. Swift, for obvious reasons; Nachbar because he's expendable; Hassell because he makes too much.. although they may just like him play on the team for 2 more season so he expires in time for LBJ sweepstakes; Diop because they wont match his salary.
Swift IS an expiring contract, we could def deal his useless shell of a basketball player... OR He could play amazing this year because it's a contract year. Boki is DEFINITELY GONE. Diop as well. I think Nenad will come back but most likely for just a year. We have waaaay too many outside PFs that can shoot and NOT play in the post so I'm warming up to Brook. If Brook can develop and Nenad can grow his juevos back and play in the post it would be great. Sean... looks VERY expendable at this point... but I think I'd rather trade Boone only because he doesn't have that athleticism and probably higher value. This is gonna be a VERY interesting season.... Yi probably won't play much, we're talking about Lawrence Frank playing a PF that CAN'T play D and doesn't rebound. He better not miss on his J!!! EVER.....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chingd15 @ Jun 27 2008, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift IS an expiring contract, we could def deal his useless shell of a basketball player... OR He could play amazing this year because it's a contract year. Boki is DEFINITELY GONE. Diop as well. I think Nenad will come back but most likely for just a year. We have waaaay too many outside PFs that can shoot and NOT play in the post so I'm warming up to Brook. If Brook can develop and Nenad can grow his juevos back and play in the post it would be great. Sean... looks VERY expendable at this point... but I think I'd rather trade Boone only because he doesn't have that athleticism and probably higher value. This is gonna be a VERY interesting season.... Yi probably won't play much, we're talking about Lawrence Frank playing a PF that CAN'T play D and doesn't rebound. He better not miss on his J!!! EVER.....</div> Yi will probably start, and play the most minutes of our 6-7 bigs. We just traded RJ for him... Frank will have to start him. Thorn and Ratner won't let Frank to bench him. I don't see Krstic coming back, not even for 1 season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chingd15 @ Jun 27 2008, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift IS an expiring contract, we could def deal his useless shell of a basketball player... OR He could play amazing this year because it's a contract year. Boki is DEFINITELY GONE. Diop as well. I think Nenad will come back but most likely for just a year. We have waaaay too many outside PFs that can shoot and NOT play in the post so I'm warming up to Brook. If Brook can develop and Nenad can grow his juevos back and play in the post it would be great. Sean... looks VERY expendable at this point... but I think I'd rather trade Boone only because he doesn't have that athleticism and probably higher value. This is gonna be a VERY interesting season.... Yi probably won't play much, we're talking about Lawrence Frank playing a PF that CAN'T play D and doesn't rebound. He better not miss on his J!!! EVER.....</div> Hey chingd15, welcome to S2. Invite your pals (online or not) to check us out. Sure you'll have a blast here. It's like Jamaica but less sun, and on the internet. -Petey
DeSagana Diop is going back to Dallas. Darrell Armstrong is done. Boki? Can't see us resigning him, especially if he gets big money elsewhere. So with that said, here is what our roster currently looks like: PG - Devin Harris / Marcus Williams SG - Vince Carter / Maurice Ager / Chris Douglas-Roberts SF - Bobby Simmons / Ryan Anderson / Trenton Hassell PF - Yi Jianlian / Josh Boone / Sean Williams / Stromile Swift CE - Nenad Krstic / Brook Lopez How do you guys feel about these group of guys? Personally, I see Kiki Thorn doing a couple more deals. There is a bit of a logjam at the PF spot (even if you interchange Nenad and Boone). Swift probably gets bought out or released, although I see us keeping him until Feb for trade purposes. Marcus as the backup PG? Will we trade him? Who will we be able to sign as a FA? I think more work is going to be done to reshape this roster a bit.
With what we have now.. PG: Harris / Williams SG: CDR / Ager SF: Carter / Simmons PF: Yi / Williams C: Lopez / Swift With Anderson coming off the bench anywhere from SG to PF as our shooter.
PG: Harris/new player SG: Carter/CDR/Ager SF: New Player/Simmons/Anderson or Yi PF: Boone/SWat/Anderson C: Lopez/Boone The only other scenario I could see is Boone starting at center and Swat starting at PF. We're going to make some trades and they aren't going to be for anymore bigs. So, you have to expect them to fill the backup PG and starting SF needs. I think they'll be able to do this with all of the assets they have. Maybe a guy like Pietrus at starting SF and some reliable vet at the backup PG spot. Maybe we finally acquire Lowry from the Grizz. I would bet that Diop is gone. Nachbar will be unsigned. Swift and Marcus will be traded, and Nenad will be gone whether its a S&T or just not resigned at all. I don't even see them offering him the QO. I think its very possible that CDR is our backup SG. Once the summer league and training camp starts, Frank should be confident enough to hand our backup SG spot to either CDR or Ager. I think both could fill that void. I think Simmons could possibly start at SF for us. He's got the talent, but he is too fragile and it would be stupid not to anticipate some kind of injury. It would be a much safer move to sign a starting SF and have Simmons come off the bench. Worst case scenario is he gets hurt and we use Yi or Anderson as our backup SF's. PF is pretty solid. I think Boone will be our starting PF with Swat backing him up. Swat will get alot of minutes here because Boone will slide over to center alot, and I think Kiki,Thorn and Frank have plans to increase Swat's role. More of an offensive player. I know it sounds stupid, but I see Lopez starting at center for us for a couple of reasons. For one, he's our best center on the team if Nenad and Diop aren't here. And the second being that we aren't that good anyway, so we aren't risking playoff position by throwing this kid to the wolves. He'll have plenty of games early on his career where he'll get in early foul trouble that Swat and Yi will get plenty of time anyway. I see Yi picking up the role that Swift had for us last year. Filling minutes when our bigs get in early foul trouble, and the occasional game where Frank decides to give him alot of minutes for no reason what so ever. I think the overall goal is to get him into a dependable rotation player, but I don't think he's anywhere close to ready for that, and I don' t think there's any need to rush him. Anderson will see very limited time in Frank's rotation. I think he could fill some of the void Boki will leave, but he'll get as much playing time as Ager did last year. Maybe 5 mins a game, every few games with alot of DNP's sprinkled in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Jun 27 2008, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With what we have now.. PG: Harris / Williams SG: CDR / Ager SF: Carter / Simmons PF: Yi / Williams C: Lopez / Swift With Anderson coming off the bench anywhere from SG to PF as our shooter.</div> So you're moving Carter to SF, you think Yi can be a SF?
I think Lopez and Boone can both co-exist at center. The question for me is what do we do with S. Williams, Yi, and Krstic? Players I would like to unload: Swift, Hassell, Marcus, and Ager. Would like to unload Simmons, but know one will take that contract. I'd like to keep Krstic at a cheap 2 year deal to see how he comes out of the injury. Would actually make him more valuable if he plays well post injury. I think Yi's true position will be PF as he puts on weight. He has the frame to add bulk to. I'm torn on Sean. Like him and think he has potential, but with Yi and Lopez and a good back-up in Boone I don't know how much time there will be for him. Do you tie him to the dead weight deal of Hassell? Do we try and do a package of Swift, Hassell, Marcus, Sean, KVH contract and pick for Marion? Gives Miami a big in Sean, a pg in Marcus, a pick, and expirings (including instant savings in KVH). Going to be a big summer for Sean, Nenad and Yi between summer league and international games. Going to be a lot of scrutinizing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 27 2008, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Lopez and Boone can both co-exist at center. The question for me is what do we do with S. Williams, Yi, and Krstic? Players I would like to unload: Swift, Hassell, Marcus, and Ager. Would like to unload Simmons, but know one will take that contract. I'd like to keep Krstic at a cheap 2 year deal to see how he comes out of the injury. Would actually make him more valuable if he plays well post injury. I think Yi's true position will be PF as he puts on weight. He has the frame to add bulk to. I'm torn on Sean. Like him and think he has potential, but with Yi and Lopez and a good back-up in Boone I don't know how much time there will be for him. Do you tie him to the dead weight deal of Hassell? Do we try and do a package of Swift, Hassell, Marcus, Sean, KVH contract and pick for Marion? Gives Miami a big in Sean, a pg in Marcus, a pick, and expirings (including instant savings in KVH). Going to be a big summer for Sean, Nenad and Yi between summer league and international games. Going to be a lot of scrutinizing.</div> Miami wanna trade him, they're buildin' around Wade, Beasley, and haslem
