<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Jul 3 2008, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's been said before, and I'll say it again: Yi will love playing with Harris and VC. He'll be able to score easily in pick and pop situations with those two on a very consistent basis. He'll probably score 8-10 points a night in those situations alone.</div> It's not that Yi only did pick and pop, it was a nice plan the coach had for Yi getting easy shots vs defending bigs. It worked great until other teams scouted Yi and put SF to guard him on the perimeter. The problem got compounded when Yi's teammates froze him out from post passes, forcing Yi to drive into the teeth of the defense vs faster defenders. Yi has a good post turnaround J and averge hookshot. This you never see him do on the Bucks team, he did do it during the rookie game. Even Bogut hardly ever got the ball in the post, so Yi was doubly screwed. Anyway, it's up to Yi to prove himself. We'll get a preview during the olympics.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 2 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>im Chinese and have been following his news for years. From my point of view, Kobe can never be a star. Sure he might have the star-like physical upside and the whole LA population behind him, but he doesn't have the mental game for it. He's too arrogant to be a star in this league, he doesnt realize that in order to be star, you must learn to be good role player and rookie first, gotta take it step by step. No matter what team it is, Kobe expects himself to be "the man" for the team the second he walks in the locker room, and he blames everyone but himself for not getting 30/15 assist a night (e.g. Parker cant pass, Brown wont pass coach wont let him play, or weather is too cold, not enough fans cheering, american national team giving him pressure etc. etc. etc.). And i dont blame him for it, since he was like 18 years old, the media have been calling him a genius and "the next yao". By all these media crap, he basically walked into the NBA thinking he's already something.</div> Thank you for describing Kobe Bryant circa 2004-2007. But kobe isnt a star...right?
he's gotta develop a left hand... If he does that he'll be a pretty good post player. It's not that hes afraid to go to the post... he just can't finish well enough in there right now in his career.
If Yi can shoot.....which he can...HE'll be fine on this team. I can't even express the number of blown open jumpers from the perimeter that we missed last season off of HArris and VC's dribble penetration and dish.
dont be so caustic to a new player, huge pressure never good for them, just give them a free, comfortable surroundings to grow up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 2 2008, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think he has potential to be a star. He has the skills, he just needs the mental toughness to harness those skills and utilize them into one package.</div> Yi just seems...kinda lazy. I dunno, but maybe it's cuz he's always getting compared to Yao, who has like one of the best work ethics in the NBA. When I say lazy, I mean like I don't think Yi improved much from what I read and a few games that I saw him in. He kinda reminds me of a tougher version of Wang Zhi-Zhi, the other chinese guy who would just stand around begging for the ball and then launching a jumper soon as he got it. Only diff is that Yi seems like he tries on defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cLokwerk @ Jul 3 2008, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 2 2008, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but Mo and Redd really don't pass the ball enough. Maybe he was just telling the truth on that one.</div> I agree, it's a well known fact that Mo and Redd are ballhogs. Here's the Milwaukee Bucks pre-draft analysis straight off of NBA.com- Analysis: Can you draft chemistry? Many chuckled when they saw Bogut giving himself high fives against Atlanta, but it indicated the Bucks' chemistry problems this past season. On more than numerous occasions, Yi would be open on the pick-and-pop and Williams and Redd would not look in his direction. Williams and Redd would often ignore teammates and chuck either early in the shot clock (Williams) or try to break his man down, then chuck (Redd). Bogut has also had his issues with the prolific backcourt. New coach Scott Skiles will need to deal with these issues, while new GM John Hammond will need to find a small forward in this Draft or through a trade. Source Also, I don't think Yi has ever criticized his teammates publicly, unless the Chinese fans have access to quotes that the rest of us don't. </div> This is the reason they will not trade Carter. Carter and Harris are going to get these new guys (Yi, Lopez, Anderson, etc...) a ton of looks. They will learn the right way to play.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Malorkayel @ Jul 3 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Jul 3 2008, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's been said before, and I'll say it again: Yi will love playing with Harris and VC. He'll be able to score easily in pick and pop situations with those two on a very consistent basis. He'll probably score 8-10 points a night in those situations alone.</div> It's not that Yi only did pick and pop, it was a nice plan the coach had for Yi getting easy shots vs defending bigs. It worked great until other teams scouted Yi and put SF to guard him on the perimeter. The problem got compounded when Yi's teammates froze him out from post passes, forcing Yi to drive into the teeth of the defense vs faster defenders. Yi has a good post turnaround J and averge hookshot. This you never see him do on the Bucks team, he did do it during the rookie game. Even Bogut hardly ever got the ball in the post, so Yi was doubly screwed. Anyway, it's up to Yi to prove himself. We'll get a preview during the olympics. </div> Lawrence Frank will know how to deal with that. If they put a SF on Yi he'll have him kick the ball out, repost, and punish the smaller player on the blocks. If Yi is a good passer, when the double team comes he'll be able to find a wide open Lopez or the cutter. And VC and Harris are smart enough to understand that's the right thing to do and not freelance or refuse to give him the ball again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 3 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Malorkayel @ Jul 3 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JCB @ Jul 3 2008, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's been said before, and I'll say it again: Yi will love playing with Harris and VC. He'll be able to score easily in pick and pop situations with those two on a very consistent basis. He'll probably score 8-10 points a night in those situations alone.</div> It's not that Yi only did pick and pop, it was a nice plan the coach had for Yi getting easy shots vs defending bigs. It worked great until other teams scouted Yi and put SF to guard him on the perimeter. The problem got compounded when Yi's teammates froze him out from post passes, forcing Yi to drive into the teeth of the defense vs faster defenders. Yi has a good post turnaround J and averge hookshot. This you never see him do on the Bucks team, he did do it during the rookie game. Even Bogut hardly ever got the ball in the post, so Yi was doubly screwed. Anyway, it's up to Yi to prove himself. We'll get a preview during the olympics. </div> Lawrence Frank will know how to deal with that. If they put a SF on Yi he'll have him kick the ball out, repost, and punish the smaller player on the blocks. If Yi is a good passer, when the double team comes he'll be able to find a wide open Lopez or the cutter. And VC and Harris are smart enough to understand that's the right thing to do and not freelance or refuse to give him the ball again. </div> Exactly! I'm looking forward to watching the Nets now. The Bucks emphasized on scoring. Yi was the rookie 5th option, if he kicked the ball out, he wasn't getting it back. But to be fair, Yi did let himself get shut out of the team during the last quarter of the season. In China, Yi was the star. The Bucks internal competition and the "get your own" attitude broke him down. Despite all the negativity, Yi never openly complained about the Bucks or his teammates. Anyway, it's so entertaining to track Yi. There is so much attention on him, so many journalist making money off his success or failure. Guys like Bill Simmons from ESPN, calling him the biggest bust before stepping foot in America. Only to apologize after Yi was scoring 20+ points games, rookie of the month, but now after the trade calling "Chairman Yi" a failure again. Oh, the integrity, this stuff is amusing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (meltz1 @ Jul 3 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 2 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>im Chinese and have been following his news for years. From my point of view, Kobe can never be a star. Sure he might have the star-like physical upside and the whole LA population behind him, but he doesn't have the mental game for it. He's too arrogant to be a star in this league, he doesnt realize that in order to be star, you must learn to be good role player and rookie first, gotta take it step by step. No matter what team it is, Kobe expects himself to be "the man" for the team the second he walks in the locker room, and he blames everyone but himself for not getting 30/15 assist a night (e.g. Parker cant pass, Brown wont pass coach wont let him play, or weather is too cold, not enough fans cheering, american national team giving him pressure etc. etc. etc.). And i dont blame him for it, since he was like 18 years old, the media have been calling him a genius and "the next yao". By all these media crap, he basically walked into the NBA thinking he's already something.</div> Thank you for describing Kobe Bryant circa 2004-2007. But kobe isnt a star...right? </div> Be careful. If you're trying to make the point that being arrogant won't prevent you from being a star in this league, fine. However you're making a mistake by insinuating that being arrogant results in stardom.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (golancer @ Jul 3 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dont be so caustic to a new player, huge pressure never good for them, just give them a free, comfortable surroundings to grow up. </div> Wow, never noticed that. Thanks for that. Wasn't Dirk the guy that the Nets FO was loosely comparing Yi to?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Johnny_Chan @ Jul 2 2008, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yi will fly to NY from NINGBO (a city, south of Shanghai) after China National team finish the game against Australia National team at both July 4th and July 6th,he will stay in NJN for 4-6 days. during this period, he will finish his physical exam and communicate with boss or coach or MG or sb... He has to back to China before July 17th to catch up Stankovic Continental Champions Cup hold in HANGZHOU (a city, an hour drive to shanghai metro)...</div> Link?
Can we please get real here? Yi had a great first two months. He was rookie of the month in December, when he averaged 12.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg and 1.1 bpg, shooting better than 50% from the floor in 30 plus minutes per game. In November, he averaged 10 ppg. He was seen as an legitimate candidate for Rookie of the Year. He got tired. He got injured. He was playing in a bad situation for a VERY bad coach, in a city with little connection to his home culture. He didn't demand he be the man in Milwaukee...that is utter bullshit, someone's personal bias. Do I expect him to be Dirk? I certainly hope he is.
well the nets certainly hope yi becomes a very good player but let's get real...if yi does turn out to be the real thing that would only be a bonus...nets wanted to dump rj's salary to be a serious player in the 2010 FA market...mission accomplished...nets don't want to hurt revenues though by trading away their superstars so they got chinese superstar yi for rj and along with him the gargantuan chinese market...mission accomplished...AGAIN! new york market, chinese market, cap space, assets galore, the jay-z factor, yi, new billion-$ arena...all that's missing is lebron and amare and you've got all the elements of a perfect storm! of course all of these can crash and burn but at least we have a plan and so far we're getting it done...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 4 2008, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (golancer @ Jul 3 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dont be so caustic to a new player, huge pressure never good for them, just give them a free, comfortable surroundings to grow up. </div> Wow, never noticed that. Thanks for that. Wasn't Dirk the guy that the Nets FO was loosely comparing Yi to? </div> Actually, I think this is the one of the biggest misundersanding NBA fans have on Yi. Yi didn't play like Dirk(style). Yi is never a dead eye shooter like Dirk is, he didn't even shoot many 3s back in China(FIBA 3pts line), he is more of a post player than Dirk. He even played center in CNT when Yao was not there. His game is about 50%post play, with a very good turnaround jump or hook, and 50%jumpshoot with a range up to about 20 feet with decent FG%. He's also very fast on fastbreak and can finish strong, but didn't get many chances in Milwaukee. If I should choose a NBA player to tell you how I think of Yi's playstyle, I'd say Chris Bosh. He just need to strengthen himself, especially the upbody strength to play around the rim to show you what he really can do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Green Light @ Jul 3 2008, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 4 2008, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (golancer @ Jul 3 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dont be so caustic to a new player, huge pressure never good for them, just give them a free, comfortable surroundings to grow up. </div> Wow, never noticed that. Thanks for that. Wasn't Dirk the guy that the Nets FO was loosely comparing Yi to? </div> Actually, I think this is the one of the biggest misundersanding NBA fans have on Yi. Yi didn't play like Dirk(style). Yi is never a dead eye shooter like Dirk is, he didn't even shoot many 3s back in China(FIBA 3pts line), he is more of a post player than Dirk. He even played center in CNT when Yao was not there. His game is about 50%post play, with a very good turnaround jump or hook, and 50%jumpshoot with a range up to about 20 feet with decent FG%. He's also very fast on fastbreak and can finish strong, but didn't get many chances in Milwaukee. If I should choose a NBA player to tell you how I think of Yi's playstyle, I'd say Chris Bosh. He just need to strengthen himself, especially the upbody strength to play around the rim to show you what he really can do. </div> Hey, it was KIKI VANDEWEGHE who compared him to Dirk during the Draft last year when he worked for ESPN. As for Yi being a bonus because the main goal was to dump salary, I strongly disagree. As has been noted multiple times, teams trading stars rarely get full value, but what they do get is a combination of three things: cap space, a good young player and draft picks. Nets got all three (plus cash) in the Mavs trade and two of the three in the RJ trade. People are dismissing Yi's potential. I'm not. He was picked sixth in the NBA draft, was rookie of the month in December...under a dreadful coach in a bad situation on and off the court.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jul 3 2008, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (meltz1 @ Jul 3 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djnswdjn @ Jul 2 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>im Chinese and have been following his news for years. From my point of view, Kobe can never be a star. Sure he might have the star-like physical upside and the whole LA population behind him, but he doesn't have the mental game for it. He's too arrogant to be a star in this league, he doesnt realize that in order to be star, you must learn to be good role player and rookie first, gotta take it step by step. No matter what team it is, Kobe expects himself to be "the man" for the team the second he walks in the locker room, and he blames everyone but himself for not getting 30/15 assist a night (e.g. Parker cant pass, Brown wont pass coach wont let him play, or weather is too cold, not enough fans cheering, american national team giving him pressure etc. etc. etc.). And i dont blame him for it, since he was like 18 years old, the media have been calling him a genius and "the next yao". By all these media crap, he basically walked into the NBA thinking he's already something.</div> Thank you for describing Kobe Bryant circa 2004-2007. But kobe isnt a star...right? </div> Be careful. If you're trying to make the point that being arrogant won't prevent you from being a star in this league, fine. However you're making a mistake by insinuating that being arrogant results in stardom. </div> I wasnt insinuating that arrogance results in stardom. I was, indeed, pointing out that arrogance sure as hell doesn't prevent it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Green Light @ Jul 3 2008, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And to "djnswdjn", as a Chinese, you really have some degree of "hate" on Yi.</div> if u got "djnswdjn hates Yi" from this post, you need to read more into it....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Green Light @ Jul 3 2008, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 4 2008, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (golancer @ Jul 3 2008, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dont be so caustic to a new player, huge pressure never good for them, just give them a free, comfortable surroundings to grow up. </div> Wow, never noticed that. Thanks for that. Wasn't Dirk the guy that the Nets FO was loosely comparing Yi to? </div> Actually, I think this is the one of the biggest misundersanding NBA fans have on Yi. Yi didn't play like Dirk(style). Yi is never a dead eye shooter like Dirk is, he didn't even shoot many 3s back in China(FIBA 3pts line), he is more of a post player than Dirk. He even played center in CNT when Yao was not there. His game is about 50%post play, with a very good turnaround jump or hook, and 50%jumpshoot with a range up to about 20 feet with decent FG%. He's also very fast on fastbreak and can finish strong, but didn't get many chances in Milwaukee. If I should choose a NBA player to tell you how I think of Yi's playstyle, I'd say Chris Bosh. He just need to strengthen himself, especially the upbody strength to play around the rim to show you what he really can do. </div> i'd say he's more of a boozer than bosh..
