<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 4 2008, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 4 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why doesn't NJ just trade KVH (including $500K for the buyout) + Hassell + Dallas 2010 pick for Nocioni? Chicago gets close to $3.65mm in savings for this season and $3.15 for next year and a 1st round pick. Total saved = $6.8mm Bass is a restricted free agent. Doubt they get him for $1mm, but let's say they do sign a 1 yr deal at $1mm. With Stackhouse and Bass they get no savings this season and only $5.5mm next year. Total saved - $5.5mm. I rather get rid of Hassell than help Dallas get Diop. THe above 3 way scenario doesn't give us full value for the KVH contract. The benifits of that contract combined with a 1st round pick and Chicago's need to save some cash should get us Nocioni.</div> You are probably right. I was sticked to the Dallas sign and trade part. I still think Chicago will want more for Nocioni. That's why i wanted to add Bass. I thought he has another year left. That's what hoopshype says: dallas salary How do you know that he is a FA? </div> I use the Storytellers numbers on this site. Hoopshype doesn't seem too accurate. They don't even have Nocioni's 2009/10+ salary in there. Chicago has Gooden, Thomas, Simmons, and Noah. Not sure they feel they need another young big. Plus the whole purpose of trade is they want to keep Deng.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 4 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vow, we where saying the total opposit at the same time I say salary relief plus pick is not enough for Nocioni, You say adding the pick is already too much </div> Not too much from Chicago's perspective but from ours. I would be hesitant to deal the Dallas pick now unless it was for a guy that I knew would be starting caliber for the next 5-6 years, simply because I think there's enough of a chance that it will be a lottery pick and because we obviously aren't being built to win a title next year or the one after. Chicago may well demand more for him than a protected first rounder and cap relief, but that's where I'd start.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 4 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Jul 4 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vow, we where saying the total opposit at the same time I say salary relief plus pick is not enough for Nocioni, You say adding the pick is already too much </div> Not too much from Chicago's perspective but from ours. I would be hesitant to deal the Dallas pick now unless it was for a guy that I knew would be starting caliber for the next 5-6 years, simply because I think there's enough of a chance that it will be a lottery pick and because we obviously aren't being built to win a title next year or the one after. Chicago may well demand more for him than a protected first rounder and cap relief, but that's where I'd start. </div> We have 3 1st rounders this year (I deem CDR a 1st) and one next year. Giving up the higher of our or Dallas' pick in 2010, with some modest protections, has to be included if their main goal is salary relief.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 4 2008, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Brandon Bass still has a year left, Hoopshype is right. Just check free agent lists, Bass isn't one.</div> You are correct. From ESPN: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Limited Salary Protection: Brandon Bass (no salary protection if waived on or before 10/1/08, thereafter full)</div> I still don't see Dallas trading their only back-up for Dirk. It's not like Diop or Dampier can play PF. They didn't draft a big and it would be a huge risk to bank on Najera still being available for the MLE. Kidd worked well with Bass.
Im not giving up that Dallas 1st round pick for Nocioni...... It would take a lot for me to give that away
can't we throw swift in the package, i mean he's useless. Also since the nets are rebuilding i wouldn't want to give any unprotected draft pick, or any draft period. Maybe an unprotected pick after 2011.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 5 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>can't we throw swift in the package, i mean he's useless. Also since the nets are rebuilding i wouldn't want to give any unprotected draft pick, or any draft period. Maybe an unprotected pick after 2011.</div> Wow, I can't believe there are still people that don't understand the idea of an expiring contract.
you can use it to get cap relief, but also to get rid of a useless player for a very serviceable player in return which what i was referring to
