<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 10 2008, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't believe I'm going to suggest this, but what about also targeting... *gulp* *breathe*... Ron Artest? The guy is C-R-A-Z-Y so it's risky bringing him in when you are also trying to develop young players. But he's a good defensive player and can also score the ball. What's his trade value anyways? He's got one year left on his contract so what would another team offer for a potential one year rental? Or are the Kings interested in keeping him around for the long term? If not, then are they willing to lose him for nothing? Swift + Marcus for Artest? What about Brad Miller as well? He's only got two more years left on his contract. Simmons + first round pick for Brad Miller? Then Hassell + Van Horn+ Boone for Camby And a resigned Krstic + Ager for Nocioni? Sign Dooling for part of the MLE. Harris/Dooling Carter/CDR Artest/Nocioni Camby/Yi/Anderson Miller/Lopez/S.Williams Too crazy to happen?</div> too crazy to happen
Everyone thinks Stephen Jackson is cooky but he turned out to be a pretty good leader on the Warriors. Never know what can happen. I always admired Najera's game but I dont know if we should pick him up now. He would have fit in nicely with our Finals teams. Same with Camby.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 9 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would approve of both players, First Najera is an excellent player that can play both forward positions, and will replace the little things Jason Collins did. Every team that had him just loved him! Camby would be a good mentor for the nets and add insurance in case the new bigs are not ready. He and Nijera both add needed defense and are vets. Now if the nets can get them both for garbage, ie, KVH, swift, and boone and maybe a number one pick 3 or 4 years down the road this would be a very smart trade that allows the nets to continue rebuild while staying competitive. Also, i do believe Camby can make foul shots something boone can't. Pull the trigger Thorn, another brilliant move! oh yeah, go nets!!!</div> Ok, first off Boone anit garbge lets get that stright right there. 2nd off Camby is 34 years old and getting worse, where Boone is 23 and has gotten better each season. Your trade sucks. Camby anit coming here anyway, ****
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Jul 10 2008, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 9 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would approve of both players, First Najera is an excellent player that can play both forward positions, and will replace the little things Jason Collins did. Every team that had him just loved him! Camby would be a good mentor for the nets and add insurance in case the new bigs are not ready. He and Nijera both add needed defense and are vets. Now if the nets can get them both for garbage, ie, KVH, swift, and boone and maybe a number one pick 3 or 4 years down the road this would be a very smart trade that allows the nets to continue rebuild while staying competitive. Also, i do believe Camby can make foul shots something boone can't. Pull the trigger Thorn, another brilliant move! oh yeah, go nets!!!</div> Ok, first off Boone anit garbge lets get that stright right there. 2nd off Camby is 34 years old and getting worse, where Boone is 23 and has gotten better each season. Your trade sucks. Camby anit coming here anyway, so you know what Shut your mouth. </div> S2 is pretty lax but at some point you do have to think about our primary rule. That is, show other posters some respect. Don't tell other posts "shut your mouth" because you disagree with them. Thanks!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jul 10 2008, 03:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Jul 10 2008, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 9 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would approve of both players, First Najera is an excellent player that can play both forward positions, and will replace the little things Jason Collins did. Every team that had him just loved him! Camby would be a good mentor for the nets and add insurance in case the new bigs are not ready. He and Nijera both add needed defense and are vets. Now if the nets can get them both for garbage, ie, KVH, swift, and boone and maybe a number one pick 3 or 4 years down the road this would be a very smart trade that allows the nets to continue rebuild while staying competitive. Also, i do believe Camby can make foul shots something boone can't. Pull the trigger Thorn, another brilliant move! oh yeah, go nets!!!</div> Ok, first off Boone anit garbge lets get that stright right there. 2nd off Camby is 34 years old and getting worse, where Boone is 23 and has gotten better each season. Your trade sucks. Camby anit coming here anyway, so you know what Shut your mouth. </div> S2 is pretty lax but at some point you do have to think about our primary rule. That is, show other posters some respect. Don't tell other posts "shut your mouth" because you disagree with them. Thanks! </div> It's too early in the AM For this, it's ok I deal with a lot worse at work.
Anybody saying that Denver wants to move Camby because he's going downhill has no idea what they are talking about. The reason his name is even coming up is because he's the only movable player they have on that team. Nobody wants Kenyon or Nene along with their massive contracts while Melo and AI are their stars. It's easy to point to a players age and say he's going downhill but much like Vince he's playing some of the best basketball of his career and can easily do so for the next two seasons of his contract. I have a hard time believing a number of posters have really watched him play based off of their half hearted scouting reports and baseless opinions. I'd be really surprised if a package of Swift/Boone, KVH, and Marcus could get a deal done because i'm sure that while Denver would like to save some tax relief more respectable offers can be had if they hold onto him a while longer.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Malorkayel @ Jul 10 2008, 02:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Blah! you're sticking up for Simmons? That guy's a real kneebiter!</div> No, actually I don't like Simmons at all. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jul 10 2008, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So I suppose Chris Kaman is a "foreigner" too. There's a big difference between "foreigner" and "second generation immigrant". Plus, in the context of the conversation, there is absolutely, positively no way that what Simmons was saying made sense. Koufos has played high school and college ball in America, like any other American prospect. From an NBA scouting perspective, he's as American as O.J. Mayo.</div> Well I guess you're right. I'm a US citizen but I was born in Kosovo, so I guess I fall under the foreigner category.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 10 2008, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can't believe I'm going to suggest this, but what about also targeting... *gulp* *breathe*... Ron Artest? The guy is C-R-A-Z-Y so it's risky bringing him in when you are also trying to develop young players. But he's a good defensive player and can also score the ball. What's his trade value anyways? He's got one year left on his contract so what would another team offer for a potential one year rental? Or are the Kings interested in keeping him around for the long term? If not, then are they willing to lose him for nothing? Swift + Marcus for Artest? What about Brad Miller as well? He's only got two more years left on his contract. Simmons + first round pick for Brad Miller? Then Hassell + Van Horn+ Boone for Camby And a resigned Krstic + Ager for Nocioni? Sign Dooling for part of the MLE. Harris/Dooling Carter/CDR Artest/Nocioni Camby/Yi/Anderson Miller/Lopez/S.Williams Too crazy to happen?</div> Now, all you need to do is explain why any of these teams do those deals.... Swift/Marcus for Artest? Why wouldn't the Kings just keep Artest. Even if he walks next year, I'd rather lose Artest then trade for Swift. Simmons + 1st for Brad Miller? Again, Sacramento wouldn't do it. They'd probably prefer to have a Miller than an average at best swingman in Simmons. Why would Denver want to ship Camby out? If they are trying to make a run at the playoffs (with Iverson getting up there, its a safe assumption 'now' is the time; not the future).... why trade Camby? He's better than Boone. Boone isn't such a good prospect that I'd be willing to take on Hassell's contract.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 10 2008, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Anybody saying that Denver wants to move Camby because he's going downhill has no idea what they are talking about. The reason his name is even coming up is because he's the only movable player they have on that team. Nobody wants Kenyon or Nene along with their massive contracts while Melo and AI are their stars. It's easy to point to a players age and say he's going downhill but much like Vince he's playing some of the best basketball of his career and can easily do so for the next two seasons of his contract. I have a hard time believing a number of posters have really watched him play based off of their half hearted scouting reports and baseless opinions. I'd be really surprised if a package of Swift/Boone, KVH, and Marcus could get a deal done because i'm sure that while Denver would like to save some tax relief more respectable offers can be had if they hold onto him a while longer.</div> One reason I hear teams are targeting JR Smith even though he is restricted is because the word is they may not match a big contract due to the luxury implications. Their payroll is so high they would basically be paying double for him due to the luxury tax. That's the beauty of the KVH contract with the buyout... instant savings! Not sure anyone else has a contract like that to offer. I think Golden State's TE from the Jason Richardson trade expired.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 10 2008, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 10 2008, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Anybody saying that Denver wants to move Camby because he's going downhill has no idea what they are talking about. The reason his name is even coming up is because he's the only movable player they have on that team. Nobody wants Kenyon or Nene along with their massive contracts while Melo and AI are their stars. It's easy to point to a players age and say he's going downhill but much like Vince he's playing some of the best basketball of his career and can easily do so for the next two seasons of his contract. I have a hard time believing a number of posters have really watched him play based off of their half hearted scouting reports and baseless opinions. I'd be really surprised if a package of Swift/Boone, KVH, and Marcus could get a deal done because i'm sure that while Denver would like to save some tax relief more respectable offers can be had if they hold onto him a while longer.</div> One reason I hear teams are targeting JR Smith even though he is restricted is because the word is they may not match a big contract due to the luxury implications. Their payroll is so high they would basically be paying double for him due to the luxury tax. That's the beauty of the KVH contract with the buyout... instant savings! Not sure anyone else has a contract like that to offer. I think Golden State's TE from the Jason Richardson trade expired. </div> Was the TE even big enough? Cause you can't bundle a TE with other players. -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jul 10 2008, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 10 2008, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 10 2008, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Anybody saying that Denver wants to move Camby because he's going downhill has no idea what they are talking about. The reason his name is even coming up is because he's the only movable player they have on that team. Nobody wants Kenyon or Nene along with their massive contracts while Melo and AI are their stars. It's easy to point to a players age and say he's going downhill but much like Vince he's playing some of the best basketball of his career and can easily do so for the next two seasons of his contract. I have a hard time believing a number of posters have really watched him play based off of their half hearted scouting reports and baseless opinions. I'd be really surprised if a package of Swift/Boone, KVH, and Marcus could get a deal done because i'm sure that while Denver would like to save some tax relief more respectable offers can be had if they hold onto him a while longer.</div> One reason I hear teams are targeting JR Smith even though he is restricted is because the word is they may not match a big contract due to the luxury implications. Their payroll is so high they would basically be paying double for him due to the luxury tax. That's the beauty of the KVH contract with the buyout... instant savings! Not sure anyone else has a contract like that to offer. I think Golden State's TE from the Jason Richardson trade expired. </div> Was the TE even big enough? Cause you can't bundle a TE with other players. -Petey </div> Yeah... I think that TE was something like $10mm. They sent Richardson to the Bobs, who were under the cap, for rights to Brandon Wright. It expired, I think just the other day. Now no one has a big enough TE so the the KVH contract is very valuable. NJ can also throw in a separate trade their $3.3mm TE for Atkins. Between KVH contract and TE Denver could save $5mm to help re-sign JR (and maybe Najera). Here's the 2 trades I do with Denver: 1) KVH, Hassell, Boone and Marcus for Camby 2) TE for Atkins. After buying out KVH they save $5mm, which I believe gives them enough room under the luxury tax to re-sign Smith and Najera. Atkins basically has a 1 year deal since he has a team option for 2009-10. We get rid of Hassell.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vintage @ Jul 10 2008, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Now, all you need to do is explain why any of these teams do those deals.... Swift/Marcus for Artest? Why wouldn't the Kings just keep Artest. Even if he walks next year, I'd rather lose Artest then trade for Swift. Simmons + 1st for Brad Miller? Again, Sacramento wouldn't do it. They'd probably prefer to have a Miller than an average at best swingman in Simmons. Why would Denver want to ship Camby out? If they are trying to make a run at the playoffs (with Iverson getting up there, its a safe assumption 'now' is the time; not the future).... why trade Camby? He's better than Boone. Boone isn't such a good prospect that I'd be willing to take on Hassell's contract.</div> The Kings could consider trading their vets because they could be rebuilding. Hard to figure out Artest's trade value because he has issues and has a year left on his contract, so what would other teams really give up at the most for him? I don't even like the guy so Marcus + Swift for Artest is probably all I would offer. Swift is an expiring contract so the Kings would lose Swift at the same time they would lose Artest if they let him walk. But the Kings pick up a young PG in the trade in Marcus and see if he can develop into their core of young players. And for Miller the Kings would get Simmons PLUS a first round pick. Simmons contract expires the same time as Miller's. The Nuggets do it because they have an expensive front court trio in Kmart, Nene, and Camby and are in the luxury tax. Van Horn's contract gives them immediate luxury tax relief and they pick up a young backup big in Boone. Hassell is just contract filler whose contract expires the same time as Camby's.
And for people that have doubts that sacrificing Boone and getting Camby is an investment in Lopez, S Williams, Yi and Anderson needs to read this from yesterday's summer league: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kerber's blog)</div><div class='quotemain'>"I'm impressed. I'm impressed with Brook's ability. With everybody," said Carter. "I just wanted to see what we got and what we're going to get. I was coming just to watch and sit. But I can't do it." So during timeouts, Carter took guys like Douglas-Roberts aide. "I just wanted to let these guys know from Day One I'm here to support them and anything I can teach, I will. I was watching and couldn't just watch. I think to hear from a teammate means a lot." So what did he tell them, to jump and dunk over Frederic Weis? "Just offered my insight. What I see on the court, the schemes just trying to help with what I see in the games, trying to support and help T.B. (assistant Tom Barrise serving as head coach)."</div> That's what Camby can bring to these 4 young bigs. We'd still have plenty of youth.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 10 2008, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^that's like saying you'd trade a useful player for a coach.</div> Not at all. Camby is way more than a useful player. Are you honestly saying Boone is better than Camby? Camby can make jump shots and free throws all day. Boone cannot. And he was defensive player of the year. I like Boone, but you can't compare him to Camby.
Camby is also 11 years older. I honestly don't get why you guys are looking for older guys to win now when we obviously won't, and you'll sacrifice young guys that we can keep around to do so.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 10 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Camby is also 11 years older.</div> And he's still better. How many young inexperienced big men do you need? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 10 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I honestly don't get why you guys are looking for older guys to win now when we obviously won't, and you'll sacrifice young guys that we can keep around to do so.</div> Because two years from now Yi, Lopez, Sean and Anderson will all be better players after having played with Camby. That makes this a more attractive destination for free agents. Philly made the playoffs last year, had cap space, and got Elton Brand. Does that not teach anyone the importance of not being a piece of shit lame franchise? GS offered more money and still couldn't get him, because their team has lots of young players with potential but is not winning. And I don't get the defeated attitude that we can't win now. If we pick up Camby and Nocioni we could be one the better defensive teams in the league. I don't get why some of you guys think these players will just get better by themselves by getting playing time on a losing team. Just doesn't happen that way. All they will get is frustrated and bitter. I rather see them be a part of something, win some games and have fun. You act like we should lose every game and draft Oden or Lebron. There is no one like that on the horizon for next year. Plus the odds of having the worst record and winning the lottery are pathetic.
