Link <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Due to all the wheeling and dealing going on in Minnesota's basketball operations department, we put together a streamlined breakdown of future first- and second-round picks for the Wolves. The latest addition to a slew of first-rounders came Wednesday when Minnesota picked up Utah's 2009 first-round pick (from Philadelphia), which could end up being one of four potential first-round selections next year. Alas, here's the synopsis: Wolves 2009 Draft Picks First Round: - Wolves Pick (protected Top 10) to the Clippers - Miami's Pick (protected Top 10) - Boston's Pick (protected Top 3) - Utah's Pick (protected Top 22) Second Round: - Wolves Pick goes to Detroit - Ronald Dupree trade - Miami's Picks (2) - Minnesota gets the two lower of Miami's three second-round selections Wolves 2010 Draft Picks First Round: - Wolves Pick (Protected Top 10) to the Clippers - Miami's Pick (protected Top 6) - Boston's Pick (Protected Top 2) - Utah's Pick (protected Top 17) Second Round: - Wolves Pick (protected top 55-60) - Goes to Philadelphia if Minnesota finishes among the league's top five or six teams. Otherwise the pick is thrown out. Wolves Have Another No. 1 - Minnesota also has the rights to a second No. 1 pick from Boston, a pick that was originally its own pick traded in the Wally Szczerbiak/Ricky Davis deal. This pick will take affect after the Wolves' pick is resolved with the L.A. Clippers, and will come two years after the pick to the Clippers is granted. The reason here is that NBA teams cannot trade consecutive first-round picks. What It All Means Bottom line: Minnesota could have as many as four or as few as zero picks in 2009, while the 2010 pick situation depends almost entirely upon what happens in the 2009 draft. For Minnesota to get all four first-round picks in 2009, the protection circumstances must go through in each case: Minnesota finishes in the league's bottom 10 teams; Miami finishes outside of the league's bottom 10 teams; Boston finishes outside of the league's bottom three teams; Utah finishes among the league's top eight teams. For Minnesota to get no picks, the exact opposite would need to happen. Protected Pick Explanation: If you're not familiar with the nuances of a "protected" pick, that designation signifies that a team will not have to forego its traded draft pick if it does not finish at a certain spot in the regular season standings. In other words, protected picks are a safeguard for a team that does worse than it expected. Example: When the Heat made that trade (Antoine Walker, Michael Doleac, Wayne Simien and a (protected) first-round pick for Ricky Davis and Mark Blount) they included the condition that they could keep their pick if it were in the top 14 in 2008 (Michael Beasley, No. 2), top 10 in 2009, top 6 in 2010 and unprotected in 2011. But the sooner Miami is good, the sooner Minnesota gets its pick. If Minnesota gets Miami's pick in 2009 (meaning the Heat finish outside of the league's bottom 10 teams), it would no longer have Miami's pick in 2010. Likewise for Boston and Utah, and with the team's pick that goes to the Clippers if Minnesota finishes outside of the bottom 10. Second-Rounders from Miami: Miami holds the rights to Indiana and Philadelphia's second-round picks in 2009, in addition to its own. However, the draft-day trade from this past draft means that the Wolves get whichever two of those picks are lower. So, if Indiana has the best record of those three teams, Minnesota will hold the picks of the other two teams.</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jul 10 2008, 03:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Link <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Due to all the wheeling and dealing going on in Minnesota's basketball operations department, we put together a streamlined breakdown of future first- and second-round picks for the Wolves. The latest addition to a slew of first-rounders came Wednesday when Minnesota picked up Utah's 2009 first-round pick (from Philadelphia), which could end up being one of four potential first-round selections next year. Alas, here's the synopsis: Wolves 2009 Draft Picks First Round: - Wolves Pick (protected Top 10) to the Clippers - Miami's Pick (protected Top 10) - Boston's Pick (protected Top 3) - Utah's Pick (protected Top 22) Second Round: - Wolves Pick goes to Detroit - Ronald Dupree trade - Miami's Picks (2) - Minnesota gets the two lower of Miami's three second-round selections Wolves 2010 Draft Picks First Round: - Wolves Pick (Protected Top 10) to the Clippers - Miami's Pick (protected Top 6) - Boston's Pick (Protected Top 2) - Utah's Pick (protected Top 17) Second Round: - Wolves Pick (protected top 55-60) - Goes to Philadelphia if Minnesota finishes among the league's top five or six teams. Otherwise the pick is thrown out. Wolves Have Another No. 1 - Minnesota also has the rights to a second No. 1 pick from Boston, a pick that was originally its own pick traded in the Wally Szczerbiak/Ricky Davis deal. This pick will take affect after the Wolves' pick is resolved with the L.A. Clippers, and will come two years after the pick to the Clippers is granted. The reason here is that NBA teams cannot trade consecutive first-round picks. What It All Means Bottom line: Minnesota could have as many as four or as few as zero picks in 2009, while the 2010 pick situation depends almost entirely upon what happens in the 2009 draft. For Minnesota to get all four first-round picks in 2009, the protection circumstances must go through in each case: Minnesota finishes in the league's bottom 10 teams; Miami finishes outside of the league's bottom 10 teams; Boston finishes outside of the league's bottom three teams; Utah finishes among the league's top eight teams. For Minnesota to get no picks, the exact opposite would need to happen. Protected Pick Explanation: If you're not familiar with the nuances of a "protected" pick, that designation signifies that a team will not have to forego its traded draft pick if it does not finish at a certain spot in the regular season standings. In other words, protected picks are a safeguard for a team that does worse than it expected. Example: When the Heat made that trade (Antoine Walker, Michael Doleac, Wayne Simien and a (protected) first-round pick for Ricky Davis and Mark Blount) they included the condition that they could keep their pick if it were in the top 14 in 2008 (Michael Beasley, No. 2), top 10 in 2009, top 6 in 2010 and unprotected in 2011. But the sooner Miami is good, the sooner Minnesota gets its pick. If Minnesota gets Miami's pick in 2009 (meaning the Heat finish outside of the league's bottom 10 teams), it would no longer have Miami's pick in 2010. Likewise for Boston and Utah, and with the team's pick that goes to the Clippers if Minnesota finishes outside of the bottom 10. Second-Rounders from Miami: Miami holds the rights to Indiana and Philadelphia's second-round picks in 2009, in addition to its own. However, the draft-day trade from this past draft means that the Wolves get whichever two of those picks are lower. So, if Indiana has the best record of those three teams, Minnesota will hold the picks of the other two teams.</div> </div> Thanks for the great information!!!
The Wolves definitely have a good core for rebuilding. However, the more the Wolves-Grizzlies deal sinks in, the more I think it went in favor of Memphis from the perspective of rebuilding. I still think they could have gotten a lot more for Mike Miller, but they built a better core for rebuilding than even Minnesota's. Think about it this way. Next year the Grizzlies will probably be at the bottom of the league, getting a top three pick. After next year's draft, they'll be sitting with a roster of Mike Conley, O.J. Mayo, Rudy Gay, Blake Griffin (etc.), Kyle Lowry, Darrell Arthur, and more cap room than any other team in the league to add a center to the roster. The Wolves on the other hand will probably be slightly better off in terms of next year's draft. They'll probably still finish in the bottom eight or so, but maybe right at eight. I can see a team led by Mike Miller and Al Jefferson winning more than a few games. As young and as much potential as Jefferson has, he's also a player that's playing on an All-Star level at this point in his career. They're more experienced than teams like the Grizz, Sonics, etc. and will probably finish well ahead of them because of it. That means that instead of scoring a Griffin, Rubio, or Mullens, they'll score a Hansbrough, Thabeet, or Patterson, all of which are solid players but not star players like the first three have the potential to be. That reality all sort of sank in when I was talking to Run BJM on AIM earlier. We were talking about how the Warriors' recent deals of acquiring veteran talent while still having a generally young core (Ellis-Biedrins-Wright) will probably just keep them in playoff limbo. They'll always stay in that #11-14 range of the lottery, never dipping low enough to get a star but never achieving enough during the season to contend for a title. I'm a little worried the Wolves might go that way. They have a lot of draft picks, but are any of them going to be high enough to score them that extra star power they need? And if not, is this current roster stacked enough to turn into a title contender five years down the road? Can Al Jefferson be a Duncan, a Garnett, a Shaq, etc. like a title team requires?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jul 10 2008, 06:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Wolves definitely have a good core for rebuilding. However, the more the Wolves-Grizzlies deal sinks in, the more I think it went in favor of Memphis from the perspective of rebuilding. I still think they could have gotten a lot more for Mike Miller, but they built a better core for rebuilding than even Minnesota's. Think about it this way. Next year the Grizzlies will probably be at the bottom of the league, getting a top three pick. After next year's draft, they'll be sitting with a roster of Mike Conley, O.J. Mayo, Rudy Gay, Blake Griffin (etc.), Kyle Lowry, Darrell Arthur, and more cap room than any other team in the league to add a center to the roster. The Wolves on the other hand will probably be slightly better off in terms of next year's draft. They'll probably still finish in the bottom eight or so, but maybe right at eight. I can see a team led by Mike Miller and Al Jefferson winning more than a few games. As young and as much potential as Jefferson has, he's also a player that's playing on an All-Star level at this point in his career. They're more experienced than teams like the Grizz, Sonics, etc. and will probably finish well ahead of them because of it. That means that instead of scoring a Griffin, Rubio, or Mullens, they'll score a Hansbrough, Thabeet, or Patterson, all of which are solid players but not star players like the first three have the potential to be. That reality all sort of sank in when I was talking to Run BJM on AIM earlier. We were talking about how the Warriors' recent deals of acquiring veteran talent while still having a generally young core (Ellis-Biedrins-Wright) will probably just keep them in playoff limbo. They'll always stay in that #11-14 range of the lottery, never dipping low enough to get a star but never achieving enough during the season to contend for a title. I'm a little worried the Wolves might go that way. They have a lot of draft picks, but are any of them going to be high enough to score them that extra star power they need? And if not, is this current roster stacked enough to turn into a title contender five years down the road? Can Al Jefferson be a Duncan, a Garnett, a Shaq, etc. like a title team requires?</div> Your true in alot of accounts but your missing the notion that even if Minnesota doesn't have one pick high enough to get a Blake or Rubio they will have plenty of appealing picks to package together with young talent or the contract of Cardinal (which next year will be appealing...6.5 mil off the books for 2010), not to mention that in 2010 if Miller isn't quite working or isn't willing to take a pay-cut...that's another 9.5 mil off the books for the FA chase of 2010!!! Memphis has a good future for sure, but Minnesota is looking just as bright
