<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Jul 10 2008, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont want to see Najera take time away from Our Young players.</div> I think you mean Your Young player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 10 2008, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Jul 10 2008, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont want to see Najera take time away from Our Young players.</div> I think you mean Your Young player. </div> Sorry I am not a Agent. ***** I'LL Call security on you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Jul 10 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL at saying Don Nelson and Frank in the same sentence. I dont see Najera being a 4 i dont. I see him as a 3 here and i would take Boki over him, but thats just what i think. I dont want to see Najera take time away from Our Young players.</div> I didn't say it was a good impression. This is the same Frank who had Sean man the 3, started Hassan, and beat the Kidd/Marcus back court to death. I know alot of us give him a hard time but he does at least try different lineups and giving him consistent weapons to choose from will only help cover up the fact that having too many options is his Achilles heel as a coach. While Najera may cut into some of the young guys PT he will be an example to point to and one hell of a practice partner that willl advance these kids faster than they would without him. We only see a small fraction of the work in the 48 minutes they're on the court. If the young kids work their butts off they'll play but with such a young roster we need backups and Najera is actually a guy who doesn't mind coming off the bench and knows his role. While you may not agree Najera is the right guy for us you have to agree that's the type of additions we need.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 10 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Jul 10 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL at saying Don Nelson and Frank in the same sentence. I dont see Najera being a 4 i dont. I see him as a 3 here and i would take Boki over him, but thats just what i think. I dont want to see Najera take time away from Our Young players.</div> I didn't say it was a good impression. This is the same Frank who had Sean man the 3, started Hassan, and beat the Kidd/Marcus back court to death. I know alot of us give him a hard time but he does at least try different lineups and giving him consistent weapons to choose from will only help cover up the fact that having too many options is his Achilles heel as a coach. While Najera may cut into some of the young guys PT he will be an example to point to and one hell of a practice partner that willl advance these kids faster than they would without him. We only see a small fraction of the work in the 48 minutes they're on the court. If the young kids work their butts off they'll play but with such a young roster we need backups and Najera is actually a guy who doesn't mind coming off the bench and knows his role. While you may not agree Najera is the right guy for us you have to agree that's the type of additions we need. </div> I agree, but is it really worth the roster spot/money/potential of more than 2 year contract for someone already in his 30's?
Najera plays hard, plays smart, and does the "little things" that allow his teammates to succeed. Sounds like what Antoine Wright could have grown up to be like.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 10 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Jul 10 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL at saying Don Nelson and Frank in the same sentence. I dont see Najera being a 4 i dont. I see him as a 3 here and i would take Boki over him, but thats just what i think. I dont want to see Najera take time away from Our Young players.</div> I didn't say it was a good impression. This is the same Frank who had Sean man the 3, started Hassan, and beat the Kidd/Marcus back court to death. I know alot of us give him a hard time but he does at least try different lineups and giving him consistent weapons to choose from will only help cover up the fact that having too many options is his Achilles heel as a coach. While Najera may cut into some of the young guys PT he will be an example to point to and one hell of a practice partner that willl advance these kids faster than they would without him. We only see a small fraction of the work in the 48 minutes they're on the court. If the young kids work their butts off they'll play but with such a young roster we need backups and Najera is actually a guy who doesn't mind coming off the bench and knows his role. While you may not agree Najera is the right guy for us you have to agree that's the type of additions we need. </div> If we can keep him at the 3 then fine, but i really do like Boki.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jul 10 2008, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Josh Boone, what other Net players do you care about? Besides Marcus?</div> Boone, Marcus, and Swat.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jul 10 2008, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree, but is it really worth the roster spot/money/potential of more than 2 year contract for someone already in his 30's?</div> I personally feel a quality addition like Najera is worth a roster spot but the contract is what we have to offer to get his interest as he still has Denver on his mind and contenders knocking on his door. I think Kiki and Thorn meeting with him now means they feel he's worth the risk and that we're possibly already out of the Dooling race and this is a guy on their shortlist they feel will make a positive contribution to our team. I don't believe Eduardo will be here for the amount of time we sign him for either, to me this is a signing that will bridge the gap for the rookies to grow and serve as insurance with Simmons' penchant for injury.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 10 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Jul 10 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL at saying Don Nelson and Frank in the same sentence. I dont see Najera being a 4 i dont. I see him as a 3 here and i would take Boki over him, but thats just what i think. I dont want to see Najera take time away from Our Young players.</div> I didn't say it was a good impression. This is the same Frank who had Sean man the 3, started Hassan, and beat the Kidd/Marcus back court to death. I know alot of us give him a hard time but he does at least try different lineups and giving him consistent weapons to choose from will only help cover up the fact that having too many options is his Achilles heel as a coach. While Najera may cut into some of the young guys PT he will be an example to point to and one hell of a practice partner that willl advance these kids faster than they would without him. We only see a small fraction of the work in the 48 minutes they're on the court. If the young kids work their butts off they'll play but with such a young roster we need backups and Najera is actually a guy who doesn't mind coming off the bench and knows his role. While you may not agree Najera is the right guy for us you have to agree that's the type of additions we need. </div> I agree entirely with this post. But I go back to my point. Does it make sense to add this kind of player while you already have Hassell on the roster for two more years at $4M per and now Simmons also? Hassell is more of a 3/2 than a 4/3, but there is overlap with Najera in position, strengths, and weaknesses. I won't prejudge until I see what else is coming. But signing Najera absolutely necessitates moving one of the young bigs (and I hope it means a firm "no" to resigning Boki). You can't have all of Lopez, Yi, Boone, Swat, Anderson, and Krstic vying for time at the 4 and 5 (even though Anderson could also play the 3) while also having Najera stealing at least some minutes at the 4 and Swift undoubtedly sulking his way to some minutes as well. At least 2 of that bunch have to go. Based on CBA rules and the fact that teams don't hold big news conferences for players and then trade them away within a matter of weeks, it's safe to say that Lopez, Yi, Anderson, and Najera (if he's signed) are here for quite a while. If we assume that Swift is one of the two that will be moved, that means one of Boone, Swat, and Krstic are gone. The logical one to go, given the duplication in skillsets of the new players, is Krstic. But somehow I really hate seeing him leave. He was on course to become a solid, home-grown center/PF. But I can't see why he would possibly want to stay here if he's going to have to fight 5-6 guys for playing time when he's still trying to return to form from a devastating injury. If he signs short term or takes the QO, this is his last chance to earn a big contract, and he can't do it from the bench.
Theres no reason to be down on this signing. Najera is a solid player to add to any team in the NBA. He plays good Defense, hustles for looseballs and can even shoot the 3 every now and then. Hes a career 20mpg 5ppg 5rpb player and im sure Thorn/Kiki will not offer him a lucrative deal. Im sure it will probably be a fair 3year $12million probably frontloaded. Also remember hes one of the most marketable NBA players. I have no problem with this signing if it happens, mostly because he will come way cheaper than Nocioni In THORN I Trust!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 10 2008, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree entirely with this post. But I go back to my point. Does it make sense to add this kind of player while you already have Hassell on the roster for two more years at $4M per and now Simmons also? Hassell is more of a 3/2 than a 4/3, but there is overlap with Najera in position, strengths, and weaknesses. I won't prejudge until I see what else is coming. But signing Najera absolutely necessitates moving one of the young bigs (and I hope it means a firm "no" to resigning Boki). You can't have all of Lopez, Yi, Boone, Swat, Anderson, and Krstic vying for time at the 4 and 5 (even though Anderson could also play the 3) while also having Najera stealing at least some minutes at the 4 and Swift undoubtedly sulking his way to some minutes as well. At least 2 of that bunch have to go. Based on CBA rules and the fact that teams don't hold big news conferences for players and then trade them away within a matter of weeks, it's safe to say that Lopez, Yi, Anderson, and Najera (if he's signed) are here for quite a while. If we assume that Swift is one of the two that will be moved, that means one of Boone, Swat, and Krstic are gone. The logical one to go, given the duplication in skillsets of the new players, is Krstic. But somehow I really hate seeing him leave. He was on course to become a solid, home-grown center/PF. But I can't see why he would possibly want to stay here if he's going to have to fight 5-6 guys for playing time when he's still trying to return to form from a devastating injury. If he signs short term or takes the QO, this is his last chance to earn a big contract, and he can't do it from the bench.</div> You're right, the tough part is that we're looking at an unfinished product. Najera hasn't signed yet, maybe this is one big ploy to push the Bulls into a deal for Nocioni or Gordon? Who knows what they have up their sleeves but they're hinting at something and Eduardo is in on it. I firmly believe Nenad and Boki are gone one way or another as Kiki is helping Rod cut the binding ties he has to certain players. While I agree it kinda stinks to see Nenad go we have not gotten to see the potential in our new jump shooting bigs who could very well eclipse Nenad by the time 2010 rolls around and a guy like Najera will only help make that happen. Hassell and Swift are non factors when it comes to what we're building as they are currently our 14th and 15th men. Swift is trade fodder and Trenton is a consummate pro who will show up and bust his tail and we will thank for his patience when we release or trade him in a year. Even though everyone assumes Boone is the one to go, I am personally a little worried that Sean could be the trade bait that helps us unload some bad contracts (like Hassell's) and gets us a nice player or two in return.
props to Reganomics, the Najara interest might be to help shake Boki loose for a s&t, but either way I feel less suicidal about him on our roster. I was just hoping for maybe Artest or Pietrus this free agency, but Najara is a nice basketball player anyway, I just think he's not mobile enough to compliment the now glut of bigs we have. Is Artest still available?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 10 2008, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hassell and Swift are non factors when it comes to what we're building as they are currently our 14th and 15th men. Swift is trade fodder and Trenton is a consummate pro who will show up and bust his tail and we will thank for his patience when we release or trade him in a year.</div> Agreed on Swift, but one of the reasons I don't want too many guys like Hassell and Najera around is that Frank is prone to giving such players significant minutes. With so many rookies and 2nd year players, I just fear seeing a lineup at times like Harris, Carter, Hassell/Simmons, Najera, and Boone because Frank feels "the moment is too big" for one of the youngsters (he did this last year with Sean to end the Hornets game, and it almost certainly cost us a victory). That kind of lineup will not be pretty. It's not that I feel Frank won't play the kids at all. He will and he has. But I still think he's too affected by the notion of a kid having to "pay dues" on the bench before sniffing the floor, regardless of the player's work ethic or tangibles or the talent inferiority of the veterans in front of him (look how long it took Boone and Swat to get meaningful minutes, even when the team was STARVING for any kind of athleticism and quickness in the frontcourt.). The situation should be different this year with such a young roster and (one would hope) less pressure in Frank's own mind to "win now" at all costs. I'd still prefer not to give him too many veteran players that are commendable for their hustle and work ethic and for playing within their (considerable) limitations but who lack bigtime skills. Speaking of the roster, there are 14 on it right now if we include Krstic and exclude Boki (and Armstrong). They HAVE to add at least one more PG to the roster, and if they sign Najera that's not possible. So there's definitely more coming, even if it's to ultimately buyout/waive Swift or Ager.
This would have been a great singing if we were going for a title but I don't see the point to it now. I rather give playing time to Ryan Anderson and CDR, even if they do suck.
If this happens, it's clear... We have a new identity: Nations of Earth Talent Squad Maybe Thorn and Kiki are going to convince Eddie Nachos that he's gonna kill even more in endorsements in the NY Metropolitan area and doubly with the new global mission Nets. So, he takes a sickly low salaried 3 or 4 year contract that is ALSO front loaded. Checkmate KikiThorn Enterprises.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 10 2008, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 10 2008, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hassell and Swift are non factors when it comes to what we're building as they are currently our 14th and 15th men. Swift is trade fodder and Trenton is a consummate pro who will show up and bust his tail and we will thank for his patience when we release or trade him in a year.</div> Agreed on Swift, but one of the reasons I don't want too many guys like Hassell and Najera around is that Frank is prone to giving such players significant minutes. With so many rookies and 2nd year players, I just fear seeing a lineup at times like Harris, Carter, Hassell/Simmons, Najera, and Boone because Frank feels "the moment is too big" for one of the youngsters (he did this last year with Sean to end the Hornets game, and it almost certainly cost us a victory). That kind of lineup will not be pretty. It's not that I feel Frank won't play the kids at all. He will and he has. But I still think he's too affected by the notion of a kid having to "pay dues" on the bench before sniffing the floor, regardless of the player's work ethic or tangibles or the talent inferiority of the veterans in front of him (look how long it took Boone and Swat to get meaningful minutes, even when the team was STARVING for any kind of athleticism and quickness in the frontcourt.). The situation should be different this year with such a young roster and (one would hope) less pressure in Frank's own mind to "win now" at all costs. I'd still prefer not to give him too many veteran players that are commendable for their hustle and work ethic and for playing within their (considerable) limitations but who lack bigtime skills. Speaking of the roster, there are 14 on it right now if we include Krstic and exclude Boki (and Armstrong). They HAVE to add at least one more PG to the roster, and if they sign Najera that's not possible. So there's definitely more coming, even if it's to ultimately buyout/waive Swift or Ager. </div> I agree that Najera is a very Frank type of player and could be over used, no question about that. Hassell on the other hand was given a test run last year and it ended in mixed results as it was mainly out of necessity. Rod has already mentioned that Yi is going to see more time for us than he did in Milwaukee and CDR is earning his showing his worth already and has VC already in his ear. While it's not out of the question that we could very well see the lineup you proposed I have a feeling it will be an exception rather than the default go to group it was in past seasons. Frank is slowly changing his ways, just the acceptance of pushing Collins down on the depth chart at the expense of the young kids was a sign of that while he will still have his typical Frank reactions that he's trying to adapt just as much as anybody on the court.
So I guess the Nets just need to get Mutumbo, Bogut, Luol Deng, Dirk, Ginobili, Steve Nash, Boris Diaw, Barbosa. C: Bogut, Mutumbo PF: Dirk , Yi SF: Deng , Boris Diaw SG: Vince Carter, Manu Ginobli PG: Nash , Barbosa
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 10 2008, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 10 2008, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jul 10 2008, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hassell and Swift are non factors when it comes to what we're building as they are currently our 14th and 15th men. Swift is trade fodder and Trenton is a consummate pro who will show up and bust his tail and we will thank for his patience when we release or trade him in a year.</div> Agreed on Swift, but one of the reasons I don't want too many guys like Hassell and Najera around is that Frank is prone to giving such players significant minutes. With so many rookies and 2nd year players, I just fear seeing a lineup at times like Harris, Carter, Hassell/Simmons, Najera, and Boone because Frank feels "the moment is too big" for one of the youngsters (he did this last year with Sean to end the Hornets game, and it almost certainly cost us a victory). That kind of lineup will not be pretty. It's not that I feel Frank won't play the kids at all. He will and he has. But I still think he's too affected by the notion of a kid having to "pay dues" on the bench before sniffing the floor, regardless of the player's work ethic or tangibles or the talent inferiority of the veterans in front of him (look how long it took Boone and Swat to get meaningful minutes, even when the team was STARVING for any kind of athleticism and quickness in the frontcourt.). The situation should be different this year with such a young roster and (one would hope) less pressure in Frank's own mind to "win now" at all costs. I'd still prefer not to give him too many veteran players that are commendable for their hustle and work ethic and for playing within their (considerable) limitations but who lack bigtime skills. Speaking of the roster, there are 14 on it right now if we include Krstic and exclude Boki (and Armstrong). They HAVE to add at least one more PG to the roster, and if they sign Najera that's not possible. So there's definitely more coming, even if it's to ultimately buyout/waive Swift or Ager. </div> I agree that Najera is a very Frank type of player and could be over used, no question about that. Hassell on the other hand was given a test run last year and it ended in mixed results as it was mainly out of necessity. Rod has already mentioned that Yi is going to see more time for us than he did in Milwaukee and CDR is earning his showing his worth already and has VC already in his ear. While it's not out of the question that we could very well see the lineup you proposed I have a feeling it will be an exception rather than the default go to group it was in past seasons. Frank is slowly changing his ways, just the acceptance of pushing Collins down on the depth chart at the expense of the young kids was a sign of that while he will still have his typical Frank reactions that he's trying to adapt just as much as anybody on the court. </div> frank tried EVERYTHING last year and nothing worked, primarily because two of the three players he couldn't remove from the lineup were selfish prigs. He has also played rookies and young players in the past, but his policy is that they have to show that they belong in the lineup to stay there, and none of them have done that (except for Boone). Someone mentioned that Boone did not play much as a rookie; remember that he had surgery in the offseason and missed his first training camp. Also, in the past, the Nets have signed all those middling veterans hoping that they'd be the "last link" to a contending team--there is no such constraint now. It's clear that the Nets are building an identity; that identity will revolve around defense and outside shooting; and that if you can't play defense you won't play. It's no accident that Sean has been going around talking about playing defense like it is a mantra. It's no accident that RJ is gone, that Marcus is being shopped, and that (despite what they say publicly) Boki and Nenad won't be back. They are the defensive weak links. Now, if they can just get the Clippers to take Swift away . . .
