Is it fair to say Rampage owns Chuck, based on his second fight with him? I mean..Rampage caught Chuck and flash KO'd him. I'd like to see them give it one more go, honestly. That 2nd fight just ended way too quick. The first fight was legit, I just don't think the 2nd fight is enough to prove that Rampage owns Chuck. Everyone has the chance of getting caught, and Chuck did. I don't think he'd make that mistake again. I think these two could have a war. Man, a LHW Grand Prix would be so fuckin' awesome in the UFC.
I would like to see them do it again, but I think Rampage is a bad match up style-wise for Chuck. and hell yeah a LHW Grand Prix would be absurd!! a Welter Weight or even a LW grand Prix would be sick too.
is that really even a question? chuck doesn't get to fight rampage for a LONG time. he lost to THE DEAN OF MEAN keith jardine...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Answer_AI03 @ Jul 11 2008, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>is that really even a question? chuck doesn't get to fight rampage for a LONG time. he lost to THE DEAN OF MEAN keith jardine...</div> If Chuck beats Evans @ UFC 88, you know he's next in line for a title shot, right? He's beat Wanderlei Silva, who beat Keith by rape choke and murder in his last fight. Rampage just lost the belt, he doesn't get an immediate rematch, and Lyoto needs to beat a top guy in the division before he gets his shot. This is exactly why we need a LHW tourney! Throw Chuck in the octagon with Jardine again, I guarantee he doesn't lose that fight again. I think he thought he'd blow right through Keith, he overlooked him. The Chuck that fought Wanderlei doesn't lose to Jardine.
I just have never liked Liddell. and i wouldn't put him as a lock to beat evens, hes still undefeated. I know he hasn't fought for a while, so hopefully hes been training his ass off for Chuck.
I'm not putting him on lock to beat Evans, but Evans is the type of fighter that Liddell has feasted on throughout his career. Liddell eats wrestlers up and unless Liddell has completely fallen off, I just don't see Evans posing much of a threat.
Evans has power at standup, and he fought and beat Bisping and Bonnar who love standup, as well he fought with Tito who is primarily a wrestler and came to a draw. So I definitely wouldn`t rule out Evans.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 13 2008, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Evans has power at standup, and he fought and beat Bisping and Bonnar who love standup, as well he fought with Tito who is primarily a wrestler and came to a draw. So I definitely wouldn`t rule out Evans.</div> That fight with Bisping was a suspect fight to begin with, Evan's gassed in that fight by the second round and Bisping could have won if he would have pushed the pace. That definately is not a convincing fight to show Evan's ability against a guy that likes to standup. Not to mention, that was against a guy now fighting at middleweight. Liddell is alot bigger, strong, and just a much better fighter than Bisping. His knockout power is much better, and all around he is much tougher than Bisping(not to take anything away from Bisping who is a good fighter, just not Liddell good.) As has been mentioned though, Liddell really does feast on wrestler's. Tito who is as good of a wrestler as Evans has ever been, has been knocked out twice by Liddell, and just been beaten very handedly in both fights. Evan's will have a hard time taking Liddell down, and keeping him down. It's going to be a very tough fight for Evan's to win. The only one's that really beat Liddell are opposing guys that are good at counter-punching like Jardine and Jackson.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 13 2008, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Evans has power at standup, and he fought and beat Bisping and Bonnar who love standup, as well he fought with Tito who is primarily a wrestler and came to a draw. So I definitely wouldn`t rule out Evans.</div> That fight with Bisping was a suspect fight to begin with, Evan's gassed in that fight by the second round and Bisping could have won if he would have pushed the pace. That definately is not a convincing fight to show Evan's ability against a guy that likes to standup. Not to mention, that was against a guy now fighting at middleweight. Liddell is alot bigger, strong, and just a much better fighter than Bisping. His knockout power is much better, and all around he is much tougher than Bisping(not to take anything away from Bisping who is a good fighter, just not Liddell good.) As has been mentioned though, Liddell really does feast on wrestler's. Tito who is as good of a wrestler as Evans has ever been, has been knocked out twice by Liddell, and just been beaten very handedly in both fights. Evan's will have a hard time taking Liddell down, and keeping him down. It's going to be a very tough fight for Evan's to win. The only one's that really beat Liddell are opposing guys that are good at counter-punching like Jardine and Jackson. </div> A gassed Evans still beat Bisping though. As well Evans beat Jardine. Liddell is getting older, and doesn't have the stamina that a guy like Bisping has. Liddell wasn't crushing Tito or anything, and Tito hung with Chuck for most of the fight. Chuck didn't catch him until the 4th minute in the 3rd round.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 14 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 13 2008, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Evans has power at standup, and he fought and beat Bisping and Bonnar who love standup, as well he fought with Tito who is primarily a wrestler and came to a draw. So I definitely wouldn`t rule out Evans.</div> That fight with Bisping was a suspect fight to begin with, Evan's gassed in that fight by the second round and Bisping could have won if he would have pushed the pace. That definately is not a convincing fight to show Evan's ability against a guy that likes to standup. Not to mention, that was against a guy now fighting at middleweight. Liddell is alot bigger, strong, and just a much better fighter than Bisping. His knockout power is much better, and all around he is much tougher than Bisping(not to take anything away from Bisping who is a good fighter, just not Liddell good.) As has been mentioned though, Liddell really does feast on wrestler's. Tito who is as good of a wrestler as Evans has ever been, has been knocked out twice by Liddell, and just been beaten very handedly in both fights. Evan's will have a hard time taking Liddell down, and keeping him down. It's going to be a very tough fight for Evan's to win. The only one's that really beat Liddell are opposing guys that are good at counter-punching like Jardine and Jackson. </div> A gassed Evans still beat Bisping though. As well Evans beat Jardine. Liddell is getting older, and doesn't have the stamina that a guy like Bisping has. Liddell wasn't crushing Tito or anything, and Tito hung with Chuck for most of the fight. Chuck didn't catch him until the 4th minute in the 3rd round. </div> Chuck is 3 times the fighter on his feat that Evans is and Evans will not win a stand up war. Chuck has solid take down defense and has proven time and time again that if you take him down he's going to get back up and he's willing to take a punch in order to stand it back up. This fight will either show that Chuck has a lot left in the tank or that he's over the hill IMO. His win over Wand said a lot, especially after Wand ran over Jardine.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jul 14 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A gassed Evans still beat Bisping though. As well Evans beat Jardine. Liddell is getting older, and doesn't have the stamina that a guy like Bisping has. Liddell wasn't crushing Tito or anything, and Tito hung with Chuck for most of the fight. Chuck didn't catch him until the 4th minute in the 3rd round.</div> He beat Bisping because Bisping didn't know how to push the pace, and had a hard time blocking takedowns. Liddell will be able to do both, block takedown's and push the pace, which make's things hard on Evans. You can say that Liddell doesn't have the Stamina, not true because he pushed the pace in a 3 round slug fest with Wanderlei Silva. Obviously the stamina is still there, and considering he will be training for this fight for alot of week's it will make his conditioning very good. Liddell will certainly be able to push the pace if Evan's gasses again, and will definately do it. That Jardine fight really doesn't fit here, because Jardine had not proven to be able to prevent the takedown like Liddell can. He might be as patient of a counter-puncher as Liddell, but he is definately not as good of a takedown defender. Since we know that will be Evan's gameplan, if he is smart, he will have a very hard time at taking Liddell down without getting punched in the face or a knee to the face. That is a different fight, and there is nothing about that fight that really fit's or applies here. Along with that, Chuck did dominate both fight's with Tito. That second fight he hit Tito in the face hard and often, you could tell by how bloody Tito's face was at the end of the fight. Along with that, both Tito and Couture are wrestlers the same as Evan's with the ability to take people down the same as Evan's can do. The difference is that both are better at controlling the ground through ground'n'pound and keeping their men on the ground than Evan's. Chuck responded by dominating the two of them in 4 of the 5 fight's he had against the two. I really don't see any way that Evan's win's this fight, not by a long shot.
